I've been playing T.E.C. many times and the Capital Ships when Auto named have TDN I imagion it's like uss for modern ships I was just wondering what TDN stood for.
But the ships are a mobile extension of that network - added in by necessity due to the Vasari advance.
Not really. If you say computer network, then yeah. We're talking about a network of fleets that decicate themselves to preserving the Trade Order and humankind as a whole. A NETWORK of fleets and installations. It doesn't have to mean anything computer-related. dictionary.com it if u need to.
Not all of those ships were added in because of the Vasari. Its already known that there was some kindof Defensive Force that protected individual worlds from Pirates.
Also If your going to use Network........Then why use the word Fleet? Fleets imply a Navy not a Network. Why not Task Force? or Strike Force?........which actually would go along better (in my opinion) with a Network. A Fleet goes with the idea of a Navy.
Im my own little RP/lore My fleets are orgainzed into: Divisons, Strike Forces, Task Forces. So it possible.
Division is a Army term....... Strike Force..........not saying it doesnt exist outside the US Military Structuring..........but it sounds made up..but thats ok cause this game has a lot of stuff made up..so im not gonna argue that.
Task Force would probably be the closest to a term used by Navies. Ill break down the US Navy Structuring.
FLEET ( Commanded by Four Star Admirals)
Atlantic Fleet (LANTFLT)
Pacific Fleet (PACFLT)
These two Main Fleets are in charge of Five subordinate Fleets. Even Numbered Fleets answering to Atlantic Fleet, and Odd Numbered Fleets answering to Pacific Fleet
They are as follows.
SUBORDINATE FLEET(s)
Second Fleet - Atlantic
Third Fleet - Eastern Pacific
Fifth Fleet - Arabian Gulf and Indian
Sixth Fleet - Mediterranean
Seventh Fleet - Western Pacific
These smaller Fleets are organized into Task Forces also known as Task Groups commanded by Rear Admirals (one or two stars)
TASK GROUP
Also known as a Battle Group they are composed of a Carrier and all of their escort ships (usually named after the Carrier they are assigned to) Commanded by a Rear Admiral.
TASK UNIT
A typical Task Unit is a squadron of Destroyers assigned to protect the Carriers, Commanding Officer is usually a senior Captain but referred to as Commodore.
TASK ELEMENT
Usually a single ship or squadron of aircraft. Commanding Officer is often referred to as "Captain" even though the individuals rank may only be Commander.
I know some of this has nothing to do with the debate....but I think understanding how a Standing Navy is structured may help us understand why TDN may or may not be an acryonym for Navy.
These are the temporary ship groups that I've thought of for the three races. Advent (from smallest to largest): knuckle, arm, fist, fleet
Vasari (smallest to largest): leaf, root, branch, fleet
TEC (MOST unimaginative, from smallest to largest): strike force, task force, division, fleet
We can't dismiss fleet because every race uses the term in the game. our fleet is under attack! so that's the largest group as it is the most commonly used to fight war with. but for little excursions or skirmishes, the smaller groups would be used. Not saying these are the ones that should be used, none really pertain to their race's culture, but I wanted something different than fleet, group of ships, so on.
Another note: we don't have to stick to all-navy terms. yes, these are ships, but they are ships that fly through space, and most other forms of the military are obsolete by now. I think it wouldn't be too bad if we mixed say the army, navy, and air force terms together to make up TEC ship groups. Obviously, the Vasari and Advent groups would be a lot different than normal groups just because of their backgrounds, but this thread is pretty much on the TEC so I'll stick to them. As I said above. All right...
technically..........ships in space dont fly..that requires atmosphere
*grumble, grumble, grumble*
fine we will call it network
On the flipside I like C.I.'s idea of just using terms instead of worrying about wether it belongs in Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine, etc. Especially when you consider that the TEC are having to rebuild a multi-system wide Military Organization from the ground up and because of having a poor memory of such a structure they must make do with what they can remember.
On the other hand, not sure I like the Advent or Vasari terms
I was just adding the U.S. military structuring so we had something to relate to.
what about Totally Desperate Nongs
harpo
If you want to bring in the US Military, you'd better hit up the Air Force - they're who we use for space last I checked.
And, woot! Ryat caved.
-Itharus the apparently Tree Hugging Vasari Overlord of a thousand leaves, and a hundred branches.
Hhm, nah, Vasari need better terms CI MOO3 has a pretty cool little naming convention of different sizes of ship groups if you guys need inspiration.
yes.........the US Air Force does. But ingame the units are referred to as Fleet which is a Navy term.
How about this: Time to Destroy all into Nothing. ?
To Die Nonchilantly?
C.I. -- No. Just ... no.
Traditionally referring to anything in space that operates in a mobile manner is called a ship, groups of these things are called a fleet and are part of a navy. Presently the only things that go into space are the equivalent of rafts.
regardless the people who have the best grasp of space/vacuum/microgravity warfare are submariners. Division is a groundpounder term which describes a group of soldiers. Were this game to have marines for either boarding actions or invasion, or army units to occupy enemy planets, then the term division would be used, as well we could use, platoon, battallion, squad, or even legion.
the present naveis in the world have aircraft carriers, which carry navy pilots in navy planes. or marines... who are technically a sub group of the office of the navy (in the US), as much as that irritates the jarheads.
using the present definitions as they exist, and as the game, and the military, and leading science fiction writers(even the peaceniks) we avoid a lot of confusion. Even commercial companies refer to their ships as "fleets" or "navies" or "merchant marines"
A network implies (and if it isnt the real definitions, its certainly how it is being used) to define a system that interlocks and operates together. generally this is information, or a defensive netork... but even that suggests a stationary series of defensive emplacements, mines and probably a mobile picket force or squadron.
In my mind, Navy is the only applicable term for a space based group of people and material carrying things. the TD in TDN is something we can assume, but we dont know. if the acronym refers to the fleet, it means navy.
as for vasari being plant related. no, we are not some sissy plants. we could be: knife, sword, hammer, fleet... maybe... maaaaaaaybe.
advent...ifyou relaly want to use the ... arm thing, a fist is smaller than an arm... at least on my body. knuckle, fist, arm, fleet
for TEC be consistent: squadron, task unit, task group, fleet
ryat, you wuss. dont give in. fight it! and if they are rebuilding it from scratch they wouldnt have terms like "fighters, battleships, fleet, carriers," etc. it would be something stupid like "type A armed sports craft 'the swift'" or whatever the marketing directors came up with.
whew, i feel like i just ran a bunch.
Terran DreadNought.
they don't have terms like battleship and carrier. they have fleet because thats what a group of spaceships with weapons have always been called. they're called fighters because they are exactly like fighters that we have today, they just work in space.
that doesn't mean we have to stick with the navy. that just means we have to stick to those two terms. why restrict ourselves? unless you have a reason....besides the one above.
i said they were temporary
just to field the notion that the advent and vasari groups should be radically different than what we'd normally expect. but we can't have squadron, cause that's already assigned to a group of fighters or bombers. it's taken, we must find something else. personally, i don't see what's wrong with my TEC ones. its the other two that need work
why isnt squadron an option? in the modern navy/airforce, squadrons refer to both fighers and groups of ships (wings also refer to fighters, but that doesnt seem applicable here; unless you want to say a carrier cap carries a wing of fighters/bombers). also, a large number of planes are are also referred to as a fleet - it is not merely a naval term anymore.
i tend to agree with CI. the names of the different groups of advent and vasari ships sound really weird and stupid, but i'm fairly certain they are supposed to. also, remember they are actually translations from whatever language they speak
could be, but the marza would be a bit redundant, dont you think?
i would think that any army/airforce/marine/naval (sea) force would be combined under one unbrella in a future with space travel, and that only a space navy would be separate, if not the leader of the whole military itself. names would be mixed, forgotten, remember, changed some more. just think about battleships. the term has only been in use for about 100 years, and already it is outdated and no longer in use.
you are right, network doesnt make much logical sense, but there is a little there, and it just sounds better than navy
I dont think it sounds better then Navy. I think Navy suites the description of the TEC, Network seems too....un militaristic more geekish. The TEC is a Military and an understanding of the Military sheds light on what the "TO" are thinking when they organize this Military movement. I cant say that every term they use for the TEC is what I posted in the description of the U.S. Navy. But Im willing to bet its damn close if not exactly in that format.
because there are already fighter and bomber squadrons. there's already a set amount of unit for squadron, and that's however many fighters and bombers you have in it. the term can't be applied to larger ships, its already taken.
how so? that makes no sense.... a term doesnt always JUST mean one thing in the military.
A squadron is used to sum up a group or team of units....read my post on the structuring of the Navy which is directly referred to me from a buddy of mine in the Navy which is out of his handbook issued by the Navy when he first joined.
Ill Underline it for you.
just to make it more confusing, commodore is also a rank in the british navy, it is the equivalent of our rear admiral lower half (1-star admiral)
squad/squadron is a generic term for a group of things (soldiers/ships/fighters) as well as a specific unit within the military structure
well thats the british navy....... but not confusing at all considering i posted with all the info, that it was U.S. Navy that I was referencing.
i know, i was just adding more useless information unrelated to the topic
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