Ok, here we go. I've been using fences since it first came out. I found it totally by accident, having never heard of Stardock before.
I was well aware that it was beta, free, and would be expiring at the end of August. I also took note that there would be a pro version
coming, and I was very much anticipating buying it. As time wore on, fences became seamlessy integrated into my daily computing.
Both at home, and at work. I became very fond of fences. Nearing the end of August, I had decided that not only would I buy myself
a copy, but I would also buy a copy for all of my employees, all 112 of them. When fences expired, I quickly downloaded the next version.
I was surprised to see the expiration bug come up, but that was understandable. Anyone who plays with enough beta software will see things
like this often enough. The solution is usually to sit tight, report bugs, and wait until the developers have a chance to sort it out.
I was elated when later that day I found another update for it, squashing the expiration bug. I did notice however that the program had
pretty much doubled in size. Upon trying to install it, i recieved an error telling me that this program now requires IE7 or better. Ive had
other software make similar demands, and although you couldnt pay me money to use any version of IE, I very much wanted to continue to
use fences. I bit the bullet and installed IE7. Then i noticed that I am now required to install something called Impulse. I dont want it, and very obviously dont need it, since fences ran just fine without it previously. Thanks for forcing crapware on me. I was forced to install it just to post this. Not only will I not be buying fences for myself or my employees, I will never again even look in the direction of Stardock. Nice work guys, you have found the perfect way to eliminate customers.
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Yes, quite 'new'....starting sometime before Windows was 32bit....[Google OS2].
If you look beyond Fences you will find an extensive number of programs, games, etc which make Impulse entirely practical [and quite versatile, with community interactivity, IRC, etc as well]...
What silliness.
WHAT!!!!!!!
ROFL.. HG_Eliminator shakes his head and wanders off..
Unfortunately, I also will have to abandon fences. I can't install IE7 on this computer. While I appreciate what all the auto-update (& more) programs out there, they are too often limited and frustrating for corporate users. I'd love to see a "bare" distiribution of fences much akin to what burningice2866 has done... true, I won't have auto-update, but I would still have Fences.
It is quite odd that you cannot. IE7 is a 'safer' browser than 6 and is thus a sensible upgrade [as is IE8]...
Sorry to go a little OT, but wouldn't be so quick to endorse IE8, at least for business - because it now behaves by the rules (adheres to Microsoft's own standards - go figure) at least some web-based apps that worked using IE6 & IE7 won't even install under IE8.
For example's sake, we use 3 or 4 web-based medical image viewing applications, each of which use a web-based installer requiring active-x, and which install local active-x controls for web-app launch & credential authentication. None of them will even install under IE8, in part due to the way it invokes DEP, even in compatibility mode. Fortunately, we tested an IE8 install with them before letting anyone else on the network upgrade to IE8 so we only had one rig we had to reconfigure. At least Microsoft had the forethought to make IE8 an 'uninstallable' application, & to make reversion to the prior IE version the default when you uninstall it. (Dunno - maybe the EU monopoly case had something to do with that, too.)
I think there's a conspiracy that Stardock is receiving a boatload of money from Microsoft for making us use IE7+ to install Impulse.
http://www.browserforthebetter.com/#getie8:f2zh-NW0rLn
I think not.
Sorry Jafo, you're a bit off on that one.
I work in a hospital. There are several critical patient care applications that will not run with IE7 and above installed.
These companies want serveral hundreds of thousands of $$ for newer versions that are compatible. We won't even begin to go in to the java version nightmares that are now occuring.
So, it is not at all uncommon that large corporations cannot upgrade to IE7. It's a shame that SD has not considered these scenarios more and provided alternative measures, but then again.. large corporations are not SD's primary customer base either.
I'm using 6.0.2900.2180
why - because U.N.C.L.E. says I will
yepper, not everyone can update things
Its a pity they just don't do it anyway Rosco. But it is a nice thought. +1 to Microsoft.
From my post in another thread:
...but you already have IE6. What's the difference between having IE6 and not using it and having IE7 and not using it?
Whether or not you use another browser is irrelevant.
I use FF3 exclusively. IE8 is on my system somewhere but has no effect at all on me using FF3. So I don't understand the problem
In addition anyone in a corporate environment who cannot update IE because of the Company's IT policy will be in violation of that same policy by installing other software (like Fences).
Some people are so dumb I think Stardock should bite the bullet and exile them for being stupid. After all, most of the bitching is coming from people who never have, and probably never will, buy any software. Their whole behaviour regarding IE7 is highly irrational.
Incorrect. There are companies with IT policies specifically for blocking IE updates because of incompatibility with important legacy web applications. (Obviously, the biggest problem why IE6 lives on.) Installing other programs like Fences is permitted (to a degree). A policy is not a all-or-nothing rule.
The only reason you're not complaining is because you don't have one of these issues. Issues that wouldn't even exist if Impulse did not need IE7, which, most programs do not need such a ridiculous dependecy and still be able achieve the same functionality. If you could not or did not want to update IE6 (for a legitimate reason) I'm sure you'd be in the same bitch Ark.
All the things you've said are irrational. The only thing I agree with you is "What's the difference between having IE6 and not using it and having IE7 and not using it?" IF you're not using it. However, for my scenerio, I am using IE6 (not for web surfing, so it's not hindering the web).
(*Obviously there are differences between IE6 and 7, but I assume you are speaking about the front-end experience for the user, and not regarding Windows security.)
No software developer could reasonably be expected to hold back it's software just for a handfull of people who are stuck with IE6. IE6 is seriously flawed. If you were to give a reason other than the front-end experience for updating to IE7, or IE8, then closing the security loopholes created by IE6 would be it. Software development must move forwards.
As for requiring Impulse to install Fences, it is Stardock's chosen method of distribution. That will not change. So the user either has to follow the chosen path for installing Fences, or choose an alternate product from another vendor.
Whilst people have every right to express their opinions on their preferred method of distributing Fences, they need to understand that although Stardock will listen to them, the chosen method of distribution will not be changing.
For the vast majority of users, Impulse is a wonderful piece of software designed to give a software installation and updating experience second to none. Like everything there will be a few who cannot take advantage of this experience.
As with all things, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.
And I agree with that. I'm not a Windows developer so I don't know exactly what's underneath IE7+ that Impulse really needs, but I still feel that it's the wrong set of tools to be needed. Especially since many other software do not need them either, I don't expect IE7 to be a necessity. If Impulse is a program that's compatible with Windows XP, and IE6 is default on Windows XP, Impulse should be installable on it. The argument here for me is that Impulse should not need IE, at all. I don't disagree that people should upgrade IE6. I'm a web developer, and want web development to move forward, and IE6 causes loads of pain. I want people to upgrade IE6 if possible.
Personally, I don't hate the Impulse requirement and do understand why Stardock want to use it. I've mentioned before that many companies uses something similar. Apple, Google, Adobe all have something similar. I don't complain about that. It's only the Impluse and IE7 requirement I don't like. None of the mentioned companies require IE7 to do their distribution/update functionality. I don't expect Impule to either.Of course, I, and many, would be happier if Fences didn't need Impulse at all.
Well, I've said all I've said already at this forum and any more will be a waste of others and my time. I bid fairwell and will be checking in for updated Fences and hopefully things get changed.
people who don't work with web apps will ever know why the upgrade from IE6 to IE7 is so hard.
A work around for this is to install maxthon 2 browser, that have the same behavior than IE6. and them upgrade to IE7 to use it on the new web apps.
I initially rejected the impulse, but later on i've discovered that it is a great software.
Just created this account to say i wil NOT be downloading the new version, and will keep everyone i recommended the app from doing so.
I just want Fences, a great app with a single installer that does exactly what it advertises it does, the update was not needed as it IS MAKING MORE DIFFICULT TO USE WHATS SUPPOSED TO BE A SIMPLE APP!!!
Whose idea was that adding requirements to your program would improve it? that is just stupid.
Screw you, and everyone involved with making it a requirement to install extra programs, regardless of which is it. If i can, i will change my review of the product from a 9/10 to a 5/10 where i actually took the time to put a grade (something i just do with programs i actually like)
I can still use the previous version, and thats the one im sticking with.
A solution would be to integrate the ie7 requirements in your Fences installer, i hope you do so on your next update.
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