... aren't the torrents.
It's the correspondence!
http://thepiratebay.org/legal
The best ones are those where the non-pirates are really insistent, like the websheriff lawers:
Subject: Re: Re : WHITE STRIPES / Pirate Bay - TorrentsFrom: anakataTo: Jgela1@aol.comDate: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:01:41 +0200On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 06:11 -0400, Jgela1@aol.com wrote:> > Web Sheriff> Protecting Your Rights on the Internet> Tel 44-(0)208-323 8013 / Fax 44-(0)208-323 8080> websheriff@websheriff.com www.websheriff.com> > STRICTLY PRIVATE & CONFIDENTIAL> ATTENTION ADDRESSEES ONLY> > Dear Frederik,It's spelled "Fredrik".> We would refer you to our notification of yesterday's date regarding> the above, the contents of which are self-explanatory (hereinafter> referred to as the "Notification"), to which we have yet to receive> the courtesy of a response.We would like to refer you to our Legal Threats section, on which we,while having much fun, ridicule people like you.Thank you for your contribution.> Notwithstanding the fact that you contend that torrent hosting is> legal in Sweden (which we would dispute), ...and I would like to refer you to the relevant court cases.Unfortunately, our legal team partied quite heavily last night, so theonly reference I can provide you with is Högsta Domstolen (the SwedishSupreme Court) NJA I 1996 page 79.> you also seem to fail to recognise that your web-site is accessible> all over the world and that, as such, your actions and, furthermore,> your refusal to act, opens you and your company up to the possibility> of law suits in - inter alia - the United States and the United> Kingdom. Such law suits could result in your being refused entry to> both the US and the UK Damnit. You got us there. Now I'm so scared I pissed my pants. Whereshould I send the invoice for cleaning them? > Accordingly we would strongly recommend that you immediately comply> with the Notification, failing which we shall be obliged to advise our> clients' attorneys to take against your company (and your company> officers) without further notice. Wow, we have something in common! See, I also have obligations of myown. For example, I'm obliged to provide entertainment to our users.> We would also warn you that, if such steps do prove to be necessary,> our clients' attorneys would also (a) notify the Swedish tax> authorities of your commercial activities, You mean our non-commercial, loss-generating activities? > ( notify the Swedish government of your illegal activities, (c)> notify the Swedish record industry association of your pirate> activities and (d) notify the IFPI of your piracy activities.Do you seriously believe that these parties aren't already aware of thesite? You may want to read Swedish media...> We shall look forward to hearing from you.We look forward to receiving more of your so exquisitely designed HTMLe-mails with the shiny wanna-be-police-star.> Whilst writing, we would further caution you against communicating> or otherwise posting any remarks that could be construed as being> defamatory of our clients (or Web Sheriff) or that could otherwise be> injurious to our clients' (or our) genuine business interests.> Similarly, we would inform you that the copyright in the Notification> and, indeed, this e-mail is vested in Web Sheriff and that, in the> event that you attempt to publish either the Notification or this> e-mail on your web-site (or elsewhere), appropriate action shall be> taken for infringement of our copyright (we trust, in this regard,> that you will concur that Sweden does recognise copyright). We trust, in this regard, that you will concur that publishing youre-mail is not in violation of Swedish copyright law. When our lawyer'shangover has passed, he will be more than happy to explain the juicydetails to you.> Naturally and notwithstanding the foregoing, all accumulated rights> of our clients - including, but not limited to, the right to institute> proceedings against your company in the United States - remain> strictly reserved. You also have the right to institute sodomizing of yourself. Preferablywith barbed wire, but retractable batons might also work if you pushthem far enough.> Yours sincerely,> > WEB SHERIFFI wanna be a cool WEB SHERIFF when I grow up. Do I get a shiny star anda six-shooter?
Second Email & response
Subject: Re: WHITE STRIPES / Pirate Bay - Torrents # 2From: anakataTo: Jgela1@aol.comDate: Thu, 26 May 2005 20:36:08 +0200On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 10:53 -0400, Jgela1@aol.com wrote:> > > Web Sheriff> > Protecting Your Rights on the Internet> > Tel 44-(0)208-323 8013 / Fax 44-(0)208-323 8080> > websheriff@websheriff.com www.websheriff.com> > > > > > > > Dear Frederik,> > Hello.Hi! Please, learn to quote properly in your e-mail messages. You canlearn from how I do - I promise you that proper quoting is not patented.> - We know all about your immature responses to rights owners.What did you expect? I mean, I still wet my pants damnit, but only whenI'm scared by big mighty policemen like you.Now you need to pay for another cleaning .> - Fascinating.Not as fascinating as the fact that you don't seem to get the hint, orthe fact that someone might actually be paying you to send poor attemptsat scaring people...> We would suggest that you nominate attorneys in the US who can accept> the service of proceedings on your behalf. If you do not do this, then> an application can be made to the Federal Court to serve proceedings> out of the jurisdiction (ie. in Sweden). This would simply mean that> our clients would seek to recover more costs from you for the> additional application. Once proceedings are served overseas, a> default judgement can easily be obtained unless you elect to defend in> the US. I hereby nominate Mr. Lionel Hutz at I-CAN'T-BELIEVE-IT'S-A-LAW-FIRM.He's a fictional character, but that should be enough to receive yourfictional servings in your non-existent case.> Not when the ultimate content (ie. of the combined torrents) What the [my mom told me not to swear, so I deleted this word] is acombined torrent?> belongs to third parties ... ... these are their rights to exploit,> not yours (as you shall no doubt discover). Now that's what I call a miserable attempt at a cliff-hanger. Let meguess, you failed your literature classes? Just like you failed lawschool and the police academy, and became MR WEB SHERIFF. John, is thatyou?> - That would be a matter for the appropriate authorities to decide> upon once a formal referral has been."once a formal referral has been" ? Me fail english, that's unpossible!> - Our clients would ensure that the matter is progressed in tandem> with the IFPI > Tandem, is that kind of like spooning? Mommy doesn't allow me to watchporn, especially not gay porn starring people in fake police uniforms.> until such time as these activities are ceased permanently ... At the current rate, I would approximate that you will succeed slightlyafter the heat death of the universe, or the Armageddon, whichever comesfirst.> .. this is only a matter of time ... ... Another miserable cliff-hanger. > then you would be held to account to all of the parties whose rights> you have infringed. > - Regrettably, you may well be in receipt of further communications> from us.Yes. You are consuming valuable disk space, CPU time, and bandwidth.Should I put it on the same invoice as the pants cleaning?> > We trust, in this regard, that you will concur that publishing your> e-mail is not in violation of Swedish copyright law. When our lawyer's> hangover has passed, he will be more than happy to explain the juicy> details to you. - You are wrong ; unauthorised publication is a> copyright violation, which is actionable in virtually every> jurisdiction in the world (including Sweden).> I managed to wake him up (at least he wasn't passed out in an alley thistime), and after he finished laughing, he wrote a nice response for you.Since you have proven to be such adepts at Swedish law I feel a bit badabout telling you this. In Sweden not everything is protected under thecopyright laws. A text, for example, has to reach a certain level of"artistic" and/or individuality value. Itÿs arguable that a, more orless standardized, e-mail notification of infringement of copyright doesnot measure up to this required standard. In any case one can onlyreclaim actual damages in Sweden. And proving that the ´unauthorizedpublication of your copyrighted material¡ (as in your e-mail) has causedyou any actual damage or loss of profit, related to the infringement andnot the plain stupidity of your own wording, seems to us to be an almostimpossible task. Knowing Swedish law and the Swedish justice system Iwould guess from none to zero. And for your information Sweden is acivil law country and we do not use the idiotic jury system that isfavoured in the common law countries. (you might want to get atranslated copy of the Swedish copyright law ´Lag (1960:729) omupphovsrätt till litterära och konstnärliga verk¡. We are sure that sucha respectable company as the ´web sheriff¡ must employ a vast staff oftranslators. Good luck!> > Naturally and notwithstanding the foregoing, all accumulated> rights> > of our clients - including, but not limited to, the right to> institute> > proceedings against your company in the United States - remain> > strictly reserved. > - We have read all of these (supposedly funny) insults that you> publish before ... ... you might not be laughing when proceedings are> issued against you in the United States (amongst other things). As you might know American law is NOT applicable in Sweden. Even thoughUSA seems to think, from time to time, that there is only one law, justas there is only on god. In your own law your courts claim onlyjurisdiction (under the ´long arm statutes¡) over non-state residenceonly in certain cases. Namely when the ´defendant¡ has minimum contactsin the state where the suit was initiated. In the case Asahi Metalindustries Co., Ltd v. Superior court of CA the U.S. Supreme court ruledthat such ´contacts¡ did not exist since the defendant had no offices,no agents, no employees or property and so on. Much like our case. Theonly thing connecting us with the US is the fact that our torrents areaccessible worldwide. Not being an expert on American law (we havesomething in common. Isnÿt it fun how people from all over the world areconnected through our own ignorance?) we still are of the opinion thatthere is no, excuse the language, chance in HELL that you will be ableto initiate a suit in an US court against our us and have us summoned tothe US.That means that such a suit will have to be initiated in Sweden, underSwedish law. As to this date Swedish law does not forbid the activitiesrelating to having bitorrent-tracker. Nor does any Swedish precedentexist that forbids it. We are confident in our assessment that ouractivities are perfectly legal and they will continue until such a timethat the Swedish lawmaker changes the law. It might be hard for you to get what Iÿm about to say through your thickJohn Wayne foreheads, so bear with me. The tracker provides the useronly with .torrent files which contain no copyrighted data. The actualcopyrighted material is to be found on the individual machines of ourusers, not on our servers. > - Yes, when you grow up.> My mother says I'm a big boy now .> > >
Yes, but most software costs quite a bit more than music. What are the odds of buying something you already have an illegal copy of when the item costs $60, as opposed to $1?
your use of an absolute to comment on an a fundamental right of our legal system only goes to show your ignorance of that process.
I will agree with you, in part, that there are instances where the bad guy/gal gets off for the reasons that you indicate. (OJ appears to be one of the cases as an example) These are the high profile cases that the media throw our way but doesn't mean they always get off (Phil Spectre is an example of the flip side).
A jury doesn't determine the application of the law until the sentencing portion of the trial and then are instructed by the judge as to the legalities of the law. the trail is generally presented by both sides to determine if the person has committed the crime that they have been charged with. this is generally accomplished by testimony and forensic evidence but can be boiled down on occasion to "he said/she said".
our right is to be judged by a jury of our peers, if you think we're all a bunch of dumb asses then I guess the shoe fits. I have sat on a capital case and while I'm no lawyer, the evidence provided me beyond a reasonable doubt the guy was guilty.
there are rare instances where a jury can come back a let the person off because they believe that the specific law applied is bogus.
like I said it is not a perfect system however the trial by jury was instituted to ensure that the government or the entitled don't railroad some poor smuck to jail.
On the contrary, a lot of poor schmucks were railroaded to jail or worse simply because the jury was prejudiced. Need I mention how many black americans ended up wrongly sentenced because they were black, back in the inglorious days?
A layman does not understand the practicalities and nuances of law. He or she is not trained to be an objective thinker, and are thus susceptible to a whole range of manipulations, the fact often exploited by legal teams on both sides. Often, a juror does not perceive his duty as seriously as one might hope. Also, the average person is susceptible to peer pressure and can vote not based on their own view of the proceedings, but based on the view of the majority.
As for the legalities of law being "explained" to them - unless they take a few years of law school to get those legalities right, I sort of doubt they suddenly get competent in that field based on a ten minute speech.
All this and more would be enough to automatically claim bias with any jury and its dismissal.
The best alternative, while also not perfect, is the panel of judges. These are professionals, who know the intricacies of law and cannot be swayed or hoodwinked into passing judgements based on their own preconceptions of the person standing trial or the case being processed. The chance of a judge falling into the same pit as a common layman are slim - that's why they're appointed as judges.
[quote]The best alternative, while also not perfect, is the panel of judges. These are professionals, who know the intricacies of law and cannot be swayed or hoodwinked into passing judgements based on their own preconceptions of the person standing trial or the case being processed.[quote]
I'll agree that they are professionals but that does not make them infallible or unbiased under circumstances that impact their social stature or preconceived notions of right or wrong. by your line of logic I assume that you also believe that the police only tell the truth under oath. one only has to look at our supreme court to find that overcoming division is a hard task and these are the best of the best. they should all agree on the decisions handed down because they should not swayed by politics or preconceived notions.
that is not the case and generally only applies to federal courts and then they are appointed by the powers that be. state and local judges can be elected and just in saying that, politics obviously play a part in both cases.
I pretty sure that I understand the difference between malice with forethought and accidental.
just curious, what is the basis (experience) with the US court system to draw your arguments from.
Literature and word of mouth. Being such an honest person that I am, I have had no experience with any justice system, as it were, from the inside.
I did not say that the panel of judges is infallible. I simply state that a group of professionals, educated in the relevant field beyond the level of a common lawyer and certainly beyond the level of an average person, is better suited to pass judgements than a group of laymen who come from all strata of society and are certainly not individually fit to take part in the most important decision making process of a trial in most cases.
Just the fact that they need someone else to explain the interpretation of the law to them, instead of being capable of doing that by themselves is proof of that. You don't let a group of randomly selected civilians do the decision making processes when building an aeroplane or a nuclear power plant, why should you let that same group decide someone's fate, sometimes terminally?
I'm beginning to wonder what yours is. I am not that familiar with the US system of electing judges, besides that the government does it, but you seem terribly cynical about them being unbiased.
For me, coming from the EU, judges are one of the few parties I trust completely. Something I cannot say about my government. Judges in my country are not biased towards opinions supported by the government. Why? Because the election system is founded in a way that prevents that. This is why I wonder how the US does it. Apparantly according to your distrust it's in a way that favors the government?
In my country a judge can only be elected if atleast 3 parties agree, being the legal institution that houses the judges. Because many judges work here it filters out any personal bias one judge might have. Two the minister of justice. Although he is tied to the government the open party system we know in this country (we do not have 2 big ones like the US, but about 8) if a party doesn't trust that minister to be unbiased they can ask for a motion of distrust which can lead to the minister losing his job, so that pretty much ensures he won't be biased) and a third party of people who are involved in society, to ensure that judges won't act from an ivory tower point of view, but keep the people in mind. This is if you ask me a pretty air tight system of electing judges. IMO way better than putting pretty much random people in a jury.
I bet a lot of my story will go lost in translation, so don't jump to conclusions based on semantics.
A lot of people who are taking stances against TPB seem oblivious to the fact that the founders of TPB lost a big profile case in swedish courts recently. What is unfortunate is that under the guise of fighting piracy a lot of civil liberties on the Internet are being diminiched and private companies / copyright holders have lately been given the right to demand that ISP:s hand over IP:s to them. This has all been made possible by our right wing coalition government. The same goes with the state's right to store digital information, largely under the guise of 'fighting international terrorism'. So while I would like to say that I am proud to live in a country that has relaxed implementation of copyright laws, things are more or less moving in the wrong direction. But the biggest problem is not that there has been a larger focus of anti-piracy as of late, the problem is that Sweden gives private corporate interests the explicit right to treat the juridicial system as play-doe.
Not just in Sweden... greed driven corporate interests have been manipulating the courts in many countries for years.
Yep same in my country. And while pretty much every group of people under the age of 30 is wondering and asking why, the government doesn't seem to give a crap and even give those private groups more and more rights.
it's just not exactly like that and I guess I am unable to state my beliefs well enough so that you understand what I mean. You're right and so am I so, let's hope that neither have to find out which works the best.
I admit to being a cynic and make no apologies for being so. I don't believe that all judges are biased however there are certainly enough reported incidents to make one wonder at times. the main point that I was attempting to make is just because someone is something doesn't make them good and fair and as with the majority of us, we tend to take into account our own feelings regarding issues. regardless of their position they are still just people like you and I.
thank you for the social studies lesson, interesting. I like your way of selection it seems to involve more people from divergent views and it seems that it would lend itself to seating more fair judges. I don't think we have ever unseated a supreme court judge but it sounds as though in your system that would be possible.
No, DRM is an attempt to control how Legal purchasers of software end up using it. Pirates don't have to deal with the DRM only paying customers do.
Exactly. DRM has more to do with elliminating secondary market than with piracy. Pirates are just a handy excuse presented to the uninformed.
Stardock's sites are American based....so I just go with the flow...
....and that's changed?.....
Give up on dictionary interpretations....there are many cultures where the simple taking of their photograph is considered theft of their soul.
Yes.
The VAST majority of one-night-standers do NOT marry the girl.
That's because governments believe private corporations fuel their economies....hence the sucking up, bending rules to keep CEO's happy. What's more, many politicians are 'successful businessmen/women in their own right... politics is the second string to their bow which allows them to influence government decisions/official economic trends. And in some/many cases it is a second income stream... because being already stinking rich isn't enough. Greed is why the World is in such a mess... because it is rife in politics as well as business.
Truth is, though, consumers (the buying public) fuel economies. Without them, corporations have no income stream/revenue, yet government never... well rarely goes in to bat for the consumer when greedy companies are gouging far too much. Government by the people for the people yeah, right.... only if you're corporate people or fabulously wealthy... otherwise it's "piss off".
That's closer to the truth than any other explanation proffered here. I purchased a download of a Porcupine Tree album from a previously reputable/trusted provider and can not use it because of DRM. To play my music they said I must purchase a compatible media player (something I'd not encountered with them before) that would have cost me upwards of $45 AUD. Well they can get stuffed... permanently (another lost customer because of DRM). I'll forego my 11 bucks (been told it's non-refundable) and go get the album from a 'real world' music store on DRM-free disc for $19.95.
I also own a legally purchased Joss Stone CD that I can't easily play on my PC through my media players... and being I've not owned a hi-fi system since mine died a year ago, it's a pain in the arse when I want to hear it. In order to hear it on my PC I have to jump through hoops... go through some DRM/licensing rigmarol that takes an eternity because it has to go online and connect to some DRM management site... and I have a fast internet connection (I.5mbs) so it's not on my end. Most times it freezes solid part way through and I just give up. Now my earlier (successful) attempts should have been recorded to avoid this ongoing pain inconvenience, but no, the bastards make me jump though hoops every time I want to hear it.
So if enetertainment/software/gaming coproprations want to know why piracy exists, this it it... forcing inconvenience, unfair usage restrictions and excessive pricing on paying customers. It would be more tolerable... well slightly, if the rights, income and financial futures of the artists/creators, those who did the real work were protected, but they're not... not to the degree the industry giants claim... not in a corporate world that sees artists/creators get a pittance of overall profit while the corporate execs are rolling in dough, living in the lap of luxury.
Now if theft is the issue here, which it would seem it is, then corporate theft should also be discussed to make it a balanced argument. It's all well and good to condemn piracy, but until we the people accept and address the primary reason for piracy and rising crime, the primary cause, corporate manipulation and greed, will continue to feed it. So yeah, to me, it's rather hypocritical that piracy is condemned while corporate theft almost gets the thumbs up in the absence of appropriate and well deserved condemnation.
We are all victims of corporate greed/theft - through excessive pricing; poor quality due to corner/cost cutting; DRM/digital maniuplation; excessive executive salaries and excesses; low wages that are a pittance in todays corporately engineered economy... and the list goes on - so why am I one of a very small minority who sees piracy as just one of the symptoms of a much larger issue?
Cos it's the chicken and the egg thing.
Who came first....piracy or DRM?
IF there were no piracy there would be no 'DRM', good or bad to attempt to counter it.
Don't blame the Companies for poor [high] pricing....that's their own choice [ineptitude - maybe]
Don't blame DRM for fucking with your ease-of-use of a product.
Simply blame the bastard-child pirates....and keep away from THEIR feeble 'justifications' for their actions.
If it's all too hard...or all too costly...don't purchase.
Simple.
Yes, lets do the easiest way and play the "idiot customer" role. After all, it is the right of large corporations to ram spiky things into rear orifices of common people. Why should that right be questioned! They're corporations. They're always right.
Well yeah, we can do that, only it won't make piracy go away in the slightest, and it certainly isn't going to change the way the market works. I have to stress once again, I am all for people protecting their work, but this needs to be done in a proactive way. Imposing restrictive DRM schemes simply doesn't work - you only hurt the paying customer who is then more likely to download illegal copies in the future than if he got a hassle-free product. While at the same time, and here's the real kicker, pirates go through that "protection" like a hot knife through butter.
So what's the solution. Doing nothing is always the easy answer, but as we all know, doing nothing changes nothing. I think the ball is with the corporations now. They can continue to do the Darth Vader routine and choke the life out of loyal customers while the "rebels" go scot free - or they can change their attitude towards the overall situation.
Again:
1. Lower the prices; current prices create an extremely competitive market where the average customer can afford only one or two titles a month (keep in mind the majority of gamers do not have steady and affluent incomes). Lowering prices will not only expose a title to a wider audience, it would also allow individual customers to purchase more titles in a given period of time, instead of maybe purchasing one and then pirating the next two or three due to lack of money.
2. Reduce budgets; bloated budgets are probably the number two reason why prices are so high (corporate greed being number one as usual). Game production budgets are starting to resemble and in some cases outmatch budgets usually seen only in the context of big, flashy Hollywood films, while at the expense of actual content and gameplay. We are seeing exorbitant ammounts of effort being poured into visuals, movie star voiceovers etc. while there seems to be a trend to reduce gameplay hours, actual playable content etc.
Now, if you look at the recent indie games released or in development, you will see that such vast amounts of money are not mandatory if you want to make a good game that sells. Gamers first and foremost want good gameplay, not a pissing contest in who can cram more polygons into a scene. We need games, not tech demos.
3. Quality customer support. Need I explain this? A well treated customer is a happy customer, and happy customers are better at advertising than any commercial.
4. Quality community relations. As I said before, keeping in touch with your potential buyers is vital. People who feel a sense of camaraderie with the people who make the actual game are far less likely to just download a free copy off the net. That is much easier to do when dealing with faceless corporate behemoths.
The above is how you fight piracy. Or you can continue to scream like a little girl/shut your eyes/invoke the wrath of gods and accomplish nothing.
While I would love to see these two actually come into play, it is unlikely due to the fact that a game with awesome visuals and gameplay will always be chosen over another with awesome gameplay, shoddy visuals and a slightly lower price. In order for these two things to occur, the industry would most likely have to do it in-synch, i.e., as a cartel. And I don't think any of us want that.
But a beautiful sentiment, nonetheless.
That is true, however it seems awesome visuals and awesome gameplay often cancel each other out. Think about it - how bloated today's games are? It has become normal to see upwards of ten gigabytes of disk space listed in system requirements - all this pretty much goes on visuals and sound. The more you spend on making those perfect, the less room you've got to fit actual playable content. Not to mention that visuals and sound are much easier produced than quality gameplay, which requires innovation. Corporate execs do not like innovation, its untried and risky. While everyone loves great visuals and crispy sound, so that gets the most funding.
It all boils down to a change of attitude on the corporate side, whichever way you turn it.
That's up for debate... corporate greed most likely would have implemented DRM as another income stream... eg, forcing consumers to purchase other components/media players (on top of what they already own) in order to play their honestly-come-by music, movie, etc. As I see it, that's exactly what the company who sold me the Porcupine Tree download did... to part me from more of my cash.
Why not blame corporations? They set the high prices... often excessively so, and there's no ineptitude about it. Obscene upper echelon salaries are a testament to that... as are the executive excesses we are constantly reminded of.... actions (such as those) speak louder than words... semantic arguments in the defence corporate greed.
Again, why not? I got screwed, and not because of pirates. I had to download and try to play the music before I discovered it was DRM protected and was required to purchase a compatible player. That, to me. is fraud... corporate theft. Had I known (been warned) beforehand, I'd have told 'em to shove it up their collective arses.
(1) No! The "bastard-child pirates" are but just a very small part of a much wider issue... greed. And being pirates make little or nothing from their exploits, I attribute the blame where it rightfully belongs... greed in the corporate world.
(2) I already keep away from pirates AND their "feeble 'Justifications'" ... and need no reminders that piracy is 'morally' wrong. Is it legally wrong? Well that's also up for debate.... theft (by greed) begets theft, Two wrongs don't make a right, but having been screwed over by corporate greed all my life (high prices, low wages, etc) I certainly understand the reasoning behind it. Do I agree with piracy? No! Thing is, the corporations just don't get it. For every action there is a reaction... so as coprorate greed continues to exist, so does piracy/theft of 'their' property.
Done already... and yet another disenchanted (paying) customer tells 'em: "Go get fucked!" So yeah, being I'd be only one of millions of disenchanted/dissatisfied customers who said "get fucked", how about we look honestly at what/how much companies have done to themselves to drive legitimate sales down. If the true figures regarding lost sales/corporate losses could be revealed: ie, the greater culprit, piracy as opposed to corporate greed, piracy is likely to be the lesser of the two evils.
But when gamers buy the best, we encourage both innovation and graphics. Unless, you know, people keep buying the D&D games and Halo. Then I can sorta see your point, and that's why there are so many shooters in the industry, I'm afraid.
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