doomser1: Its an easy fix that just requiers some editing of the gamefiles. I'v changed both the Vorlons and the shadows by tweaking the files for playability. And yesterday I nearly got my ass kicked by the sudden appearance of three Ancient Battlecrabs and one Young Battlecrab. Managed to beat them off only to find that I had managed to get the attention of the Vorlon Empire. Although they seem more happy with only using the smaller ships they still managed to take out a large fleet of about 30 capital ships (EA) and closer to a hundred smaller ones.

As I'v written earlier in the thread I'v tweaked the files a bit and Im just awaiting an "ok" from the modteam to publish the files. It wouldn't be an official thing as Im not on the mod-team, but it would be a quick fix for some of the more irratating problems that exist in the pre-alpha mod.

So far I'v tweaked the Shadows, the Vorlons and now the EA also. A few overall changes to, mostly to get bigger fleets. This is one of the few things I actually can do for the mod, tweak the files... Not very impressive, but still usable.

One more scout for EA ? EA have fast & small "Delphi" and more strong scout cruiser "Oracle".

I'm a bit confused as to where your getting your info from Zvezdochets? I am looking a site that bases purely off the show and has the cannon ships. I have noticed some ships from the are from a table top game such as the artemis frigate which is not in the show at all. But the Icarus is classed as a scout ship here. http://www.b5tech.com/oldb5tech/earthalliance/earthallianceshipsandvessels/earthotherships/icarus.html  This gives all the info about the Icarus. I don't recognize the other 2 scouts you mention.

Damodread you misunderstand i am not saying they are OP in the sense that one ship can go in and mop up sure a fleet of ships can take out a Victory. The point i am trying to make and i do make a Disclaimer that i know stuff is still in progress if you saw that. But the point im making is EA is Overpowered. The EA can start off and colonize an entire star system on a large map before the other races can get anywhere. Ive played 3 full games through with the EA and they just tear everthing else apart. You can just take over a whole star system and the funds and resources enable you to amass a huge amount of ships and i set the races on impossible setting. Again i made a disclaimer and i know they are still working out the bugs and balances, hence why i comment because i would assume they want feedback. Like the repair stations don't rebuild antimatter. I dont know if i missed something and they are not supposed to but i thought id throw that in there.  Also about the Icarus yes it did go to Za'Ha'Dum you are correct but it was a deep space scout ship, used for discovering new worlds. I do believe in the game that is pretty much the exact nature of the scout ship it starts off it goes out and it scouts for colonisable worlds infact i think it even says "our scouts have discovered a colonisable world" I do believe this is exactly what the Icarus does. The compelling reason to switch the Icarus is because that is its role, why create another ship for the role when the Show had a ship designed for this role that was cannon. I mean dont get me wrong creative liscense is great but.

They even have a nice ship to replace the builder drones if somone makes a model

CONSTRUCTION FURY

http://www.b5tech.com/oldb5tech/earthalliance/earthallianceshipsandvessels/earthotherships/construction.html

this was seen a lot in thirdspace the movie.

As for the Shadows and the Vorlons manipulating the other races that what the whole war was about, The shadows insight other races to war to create growth through chaos and the Vorlons would enforce order  and justice to both of the ancient races would infact try to enforce thier point of view..You will notice It is stated that they would interfere in many ways with the other races such as vorlons installing the telepath gene to speed up human telepaths growing for the upcoming shadow war. On and on and on. My point is to make it more realistic with this game and its functionality, I just suggest that the vorlons and shadows could capture other races ships. Like they turned many others to service them, Lita Alexander for instance on the Vorlon side, All the telepaths who were turned into shadow vessels. Now this is individuals but the point is in reference to the game. 

I dont think beeing able to capture other races ships adequately represents the vorlons and the shadows meddling. Taking over a single ship here and there in the middle of a battle would be more in line with a race who made heavily use of ship-boarding, not in any way coming close to the vorlons century long meddling to achieve their goals or the shadows. But hey oppinions may vary, i just dont see the vorlons or shadows needing anyone to fight their own battles when they get down and dirty -and they will in sins.

Hi all -- I have also been lurking in the background, but hoping that this mod will come to fruition.  I purchased the expansion modules for Sins with the express purpose of playing your mod.  I'm a big B5 fan and, while the series seems to have little chance for a revival, I can enjoy aspects of the show through your mod. 

Kodiak i while i agree with some of your line of thinking. I also disagree with some of it. I do believe that the developers should continue to add new ships and work on furthering the mod. But i don't agree in ignoring cannon, It is infact a babylon 5 mod not a babylon 5 likeness. Now while i can see they cant capture every element of the B5 universe such as hyperspace planetary interaction on the level of epsilon 3 but where do we draw the line. If it was a star wars mod would u just skip out on the A wing fighter cause there is an x wing fighter and a b wing, No.  The designer did allow AoG to expand the cannon but where do we draw the line? I love what they are doing with this mod but since it is a work in progress and they do things like update models as the designers perfect them more why not add the correct ships for the role? The way they look is irrelevant this is a B5 mod using B5 ships not using ships we think are good or not. The fact is there are certain ships during certain times that filled certain roles. I see there are certain issues with continuity that already exists with the Victory which didn't exist during the time the shadows and Vorlons were in our galaxy. So some creative liscense has occurred and the minbari wouldn't be building their first cruisers while the earth was. We have to work within limits of the game main code. But there is no reason to deviate from this in ship roles when they already exist. Personally i think the victory should not be part of the EA as it never was. But thats my opionon just like its Damodreads that the icarus is ugly.

I do appreciate the work the mod community is doing for this mod but i do also feel that i would like to see the correct and real Babylon 5 ported over to the sins universe as i believe would many out there. Or atleast as close as we can get. By this i mean using the correct ships in the governed roles relative to their time fram. I.e. if you build the first ship for earth force capital ships should be one without a rotating hull till you have researched this. You shouldnt be able to build a ship like a warlock with a gravitic drive until you have researched this much later on as this occured after EA stole the tech from the centauri. Just simple discrepencies like this should not just be ignored.

As for how the vorlons and shadows relate to other races i think we should continue to discuss this. As its relative to the nature of these races. I wouldnt mind even seen certain ships unable to be built until certain races are defeated if this can be done. I.e. Victories and so on not being able to be built till the vorlons and shadows are defeated. Just an idea dont know if it can be done or its even a good idea. But my point is all in all this is a B5 mod and i personally would like to see ships with their proper faction and available relative to the times and or research used to create them. I would also very much like to have the MOD team consider the IAS as they are a large group with many different ships. While they didn't come till later, they had ships and existed in a certain sense unoffcially since B5 broke away from Earth. I just say the mod team has done such an awesome job so far and they have not compromised on thier ship designs as you see them revising them again and again. B5 was JMS's creation and he was known for his unwillingness to compromise in his creation i don't think we should start we should honor what he built and created when making a rendition of this. Especially seeing the injustice seirra and tnt put on b5 in the past.

I'm supercool with Shadows&Vorlons having way different gameplan even if it means AI will fail.
Sounds great and I can't wait for perhaps? xmas release of 0.5

Welcome back Tobi!

 I wouldn't draw a line before any official or supported and accepted B5 material. If it were a Star Wars Mod, and the Rebellion had the X-Wing and B-Wing, but the empire wasn't finished, I would want the Empire (and other races) fleshed out before the designers came back around to consider the A-Wing. Both AoG and Mongoose Publishing were said to have the Blessing of JMS, so they're 100% cannon. And again, they used several of the new designs in the Lost Tales DVD. Also, imo, the discontinued B5 tabletop games fit more in line with Sins than the show does, since they were about Military battles and planning your moves around strategic points (especially in protracted campaigns.)

Separating ships by their time line is way too premature for this mod. If the modders finish the mod, and want to keep expanding it, they could split the EA up like Mongoose did, with the Early Years, 3rd Age, and Crusade Fleets, but again, I'd rather see the other races expanded upon before creating a surplus of EA ships.

I'm sure that once the framework for the mod is finished, they'll go back and fine tune things. This means that you'll need to research some tech before building a Warlock. That said, the mod should be about Fun more than Accuracy. Limiting the use of the Victory would be accurate, but much less fun than unleashing it upon a shadow ship.

A bit more on-topic. Welcome back TobiWahn, keep up the amazing work. I'm looking forward to seeing this mod continue on as well as it has started.

Thanks for your kind words. As for whitestar, if we would do an ISA faction, they would be part of that, hence my hesitation. The Vree and such would be part of a LONAW race would that ever come to fruitation ( an that would depend solely on Ironclad and whether they could remove the 2GB process limit so we could include more stuff - which is unlikely since it would mean to rewrite everything in 64 bit )

As for the rear laser, for now it's not there, perhaps in a later version.

Update of my work:

Rothnan - CAP

T'Loth - CAP (model/seg/uv done)

Rongoth - CAP

G'Quan - CAP (model/seg/uv done)

Bin'Tak - CAP (model/seg/uv done)

G'Vrahn - CAP (model/seg/uv done)

Kar'Bin'Tak - CAP (model/seg/uv done)

T'Rakk - cruiser (model/seg/uv done)

Var'Nic - cruiser (model/seg/uv done)

G'Karith - cruiser

Sho'Kar - frigate (model/seg/uv done)

Sho'Kos - frigate (model/seg/uv done)

Dag'Kar - frigate (model/seg/uv done)

Ka'Toc - frigate (model/seg/uv done)

Thentus - frigate (model/seg/uv done)

Gorith - fighter (model/seg/uv done)

Frazi - fighter (model/seg/uv done)



Ja'Stat - starbase (model/seg/uv done)

Ja'Dul - hangar (model done)

transporter - transporter (model/seg/uv done)



So Narn is almost complete, still need some ships, and buildings, but remember that's only models, they need to be textured, then hardpointed, then coded, and some more.

I doubt TobiWahn will allow non complete model in his mod, why? because the model sometimes need additional correction so some parts need to be done once more, so it's a waste of time making something several time.