Thnaks for letting me know. Are the planets still marked as Hyperspace entry / exit? this effect only lasts a limited amount of time, after which the ships travel at their normal phaselane travelspeed

Okay... not a play test update but a update at least on searching I did some more of it and found a few useful looking things here is the list of what I've found so far

First is a craft index

http://www.meshweaver.com/Craft_Comparisons/

well... thats the only meaningful one I've found. I've taken an interest in finding out what kind of ship one of the Vorlons have... in particular this one

you'll also be surprised that there are more concept designs on the shadows then what we currently have seen, I found this while searching through the X3 ship pics on the site that was listed not by me

now this gets me thinking, the shadows ships have an insect like appearance in a sense as some of the ships are CRAB like not entirely insect or more crustation like

These Vorlon ship don't exist... it is a artist creation... a mix of the planet killer ship ( http://kitsune.addr.com/SF-Conversions/Rifts-B5-Ships/Vorlon_PK.jpg ) with the Star Dreadnought ( http://kitsune.addr.com/SF-Conversions/Rifts-B5-Ships/Vorlon_Dreadnought.jpg )...

OK. Could someone else verify this please. My own testing showed that it worked, so I would need some other data. Besides, there should be no logical reason as to why it should not work (they both just specify the systems as phase gates)

Thanks for the link ZEROibis, thoug for chronology there are lots of different sources, each with different times and dates for shipmanufacture! Most prominent example would be efni.org, but their ship dates greatly differ from other sources (efni says nova and hyperion existed in dilgar war - which might or might not be true, depending on who you listen to)

But efni.org is giving a good timeline in general, so you might look into that.

Yea I am taking data now from all avalalbe sources and comparing them to eachother and then placing units in the position based off the most reliable data. So far the most intresting catch was that the nova was first but the hypernion was prefered when it came out durring the dilgar war due to low cost. The company that made the nova used the design to create the omega that became so pupular to compete and drive the hypernion model out.

Intresting question: amy way to rename the shileds to "interseptor system". We know that the EA and likely other races used intersepters to prevent impact of enemy attacks and thus acted like shields. This way races like the EA could tech up their interseptors and increase restore rates or total capasity.

For example I saw that in the dilgar war it was the EA interceptor grid that caused the dilgar to come in close and lose to the EA in their first conflict. It would ne cool to see tech like this translate to the game.

EA might not have a speed problem. I haven't tested them yet for any of that stuff I'm testing the Minbari right now. From what I see there is barely any noticable speed increase with jumps except when there is a jump gate present in both planets. The open jump gate ability though doesn't take into account the 6000 x times normal hyperspace travel that comes with the lvl 4 upgrade. I think it's completely ignoring it and basically working like the base skill used to make it... which is the Vasari open phase lane skill. Yes I have tested it and got the fleet to use it before a time limit on it runs out and still no increase in speed besides a slight increase from normal phase lane speed.

Update: Right... I've found that the Minbari hanger seeing as it has defensive beams don't fire at enemy ships not matter how close they get to it. Yeah sure the thing has a red line pointing at the ship but I don't see beams of any kind coming out of it. Also I don't see enemy ships HP going down at all when they are near it

Update 2: Okay I'm going to keep testing the Minbari with the jump point ability... I've noticed a increase in speed but I'm going to test it some more. By testing I mean doing a long range jump from one planet on the one side of the system and jump to anohter planet on the other side of the system and see if it has any effect at all. You guys might be right about what was said before and I was probably doing it wrong hahaha... @_@ I'll update this post once more when I have the info in hand

Update 3: Riiiiight... okay well I feel like an idiot now... the open jump point skill works just fine. A word of advise though if you want to use it properly. Get your ships close to getting out of the grav well and then use the skill from one of the ships in the fleet. Click the skill and choose the planet and use it on it, Once that is done move order the ships to that planet. As was stated you have a limited amount of time before the effects of very fast travel wear off... I'd say it lasts about 10 to 15 maybe even 20 seconds before you lose that bonus speed, after that though the speed is only slightly faster than normal phase lane travel means it'll take a few minutes instead of a few seconds to get your fleet from point A to point B

Update 4: SHEESH I thought I was done updating this... guess now Okay I found this little treat for you guys... though it only looks like some drawings a guy did but it might help you guys in the modeling department if you don't already know about it here's the link for you guys

http://www.wolfsshipyard.mystarship.com/drawings.html

I hope it helps some... though most of them are side drawings... don't even know if that will help

also... the Troligan Class cruiser is suppose to take 90 fleet supply, but there might be a mistake... if you look at queded ships... it says it takes 350 fleet supply... I'm gonna check out each of the capitals now that I haven't listed so far to see if the fleet supply they take is the same from what is said... after the ship IS built though I will notify in the thread if it takes the regular supply it is SUPPOSE to take or if IT is taking the supply of what the queded supply says

@ ZEROibis

Looks very promising, though I would require a first Beam tech research for Tethy and Orestes (So that one actuall has a reason to use the Artemis, other than Hull capacity. Artemis is missing in your chart BTW)

@ EternalRequiem

Thanks for testing, and the link is very good. As for the Lenght of the Jumppoint ability, it should last 90 seconds total IIRC. But it is always wise to have the ships at the edge of the gravwell before activating!

Will look into the time (60 vs 90)

As for the Victory class Destroyer - you have to give EA something to compare against the other races. And Victory Class was after all built by Earthforce (with help and tech from Minbari and Vorlon remains)

Yes, you can jump from a bit within the gravwell using the Jumppoint ability.

EA Research tree is not yet finalised (not even begun to be implemented) so balancing is an issue at the moment.

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Also as for the shield idea, I was wondering if it could be made so that only beam based weapons are able to virtually negate shields. For example beam weapons should not be stopable by a EA defence grid.

Oops I did not even notice the Artemis was missing, I just looked at the Artemis vs Tethys becasue the Orestes is very very slow so it will should not be used except for defence at the start anywyas.

Tethysis weaker than Artemis and aparently the Artemis cost as much to build as a Hypernion they both have the same hull strength but all the rail guns on the Artemis should give it higher shields. With rail guns and the particle beams the Artemis is a Heavy Frigate that looks good for stoping fighters and attacking light carriers. The Tethysis on the other hand is just a Cutter that uses pule canons and is probibly best suited for hunting down light frigates with speed and manuravability when used in packs as they are also very inexpensive to make.

Also logically I am not sugesting that we make the Artemis actually cost as much as a cap ship in game as logically real costs will be determined by balancing needs.

I can see this with the webshield but the interseptors that i know fire shots at incomming fire and cause it to explode in advance.

Found it "Earth Force is the only race to employ dedicated Interceptors. Highly advanced tracking systems and rapid rate of fire allow these defenses to deflect almost all incoming fire. While the initial efficiency rating is almost 100%, continuous use degrades its effectiveness. An additional component of the Interceptor is the generation of an energy web which, in connection with other Interceptor installations, surrounds the ship in a protective shell. Should the captain decide, Interceptors can also be placed in an offensive mode. When in this mode, Interceptors are dedicated fighter and shuttle defenders. Interceptors excel at damaging small-scale craft at close range since they travel much slower than weapons fire."

So beams can be stoped by not as easily as other types of attacks. It also looks like we will need to figure out of the narn/cintari have any shild type tech or just thick hulls. We know the minbari have jamers and the Vorlon and shadow organic tech can repel energy weapons like a real shield.

Cool this means that the best way to do shields for the shadows and vorlons will be one that recharges very vast (like virtually instantly) forcing only attacks that completly overpower the shields to do dammage.