I think the only DG where DPS items make sense is Reg, or lets say, DGs without any Range dont need a real DPS.

 

Hey Maff i remembered i palyd vs you you were in a premade team

Blood of the fallen works perfectly.

Its the useless favor items which make it see so OP = Buff the useless favour items to be just as useful.

Agreed. Something has to be done about the unused favor items.

No they're not.

1. Blood of the Fallen (surprise!)
2. Anklet of Speed
3. Blade of the Serpent
4. Staff of Renewal
5. Heaven's Wrath
6. Cloak of Night
7. Horn of Battle (yes I realize it's inactive atm)
8. Ring of Might (same deal as HoB)

 

1. Blood Soaked Wand
2. Amulet of Teleportation
3. Poisoned Dagger
4. Symbol of Purity
5. Cape of Plentiful Mana
6. Totem of Endurance

Sorry if you don't like all those items, but there's 14 favor items which are quite usable, not seven.

Not every favor item needs to be useful in every single situation. If they have their niches that's fine, for example the Cape of Plentiful Mana is excellent on Leviathan.

So half the favor items aren't good. It's not ideal, but it's not nearly as bad as you guys make it sound.

Are you serious? Being able to use a teleport scroll for free every 30 seconds was probably just deemed too powerful. If you disagree that's fine, but you shouldn't pretend to outright not understand it.

Well, the truth is everything depends from point of view. I used around 10 favor items at least few times (and I think they are quite fine, still I would change few of them just slightly). For me, there are chars with just 1 right favor choise (eg. beast). But that's my opinion of course. Sure some people will say they would take mana favor with beast, so they can spit opponents without buying mana items. Of course they are right (it will be usefull item to always have a lot of mana), but for me it's no sense to do this with this char. We are talking about BoTF here, because this item is so good (comparing to others), with some chars there are just no alternatives (again that's my/some other people opinion).

About being usefull. I have seen people who was claiming goggles are usefull favor item, and i'm not saying they are completely useless. You can see mines with them, so they are usefull if you really want to see those mines ! But for me, there is no sense to take them, because there are other, much better choices. You can take goggles and you will gain usefull ability, but other favor item would help you much more in game. I would like to see something like: additional passive +200 hp/mana and active 30s cooldown ability on goggles which sends 15 meters fake detonation signal which has 75% chance to detonate each mine. It could mark once revealed mines too for your allies to see them (like you see mines near your towers). And why don't we have favor items with chances to deal critical damage ? Eg. Mard's Hammer could have 15% chance to deal 1.5x critical damage. Mard's Hammer is good favor item, but imo it's just not good enought right now.

Still, even in your opinion, just 14 favor items are usefull, so don't need changes. Why do we have another 14 then ? I said most, because I believe (in my opinion !) most items need more of less changes (including almost all from the "infrequent use" list you quoted - eg. CoPM should have additional +4 mana/sec, to work on first levels without forcing you to buy mana helmet).

Sure, but you've gotta admit I didn't add the Charm of Life to the list just because when you're oak on fortress mode on Cataract it's a fort busting tool with last stand, I listed items which have much, much broader usage than a gimmick like spotting reg's mines.

When I say some of those other items have a niche I mean things like the Cape of Plentiful Mana, which gives you 400% mana per second for 10 seconds on a 45 second cooldown... On Leviathan that's an AoE buff which gives more than 600 at level one and as the game goes on that can easily scale up to 1200 mana for 2-3 players at once. It has a legit niche on any flag with a mana regen flag and while that's currently only Leviathan and Exile, there will probably be more as more maps are added. That's not remotely comparable to the crazily narrow niche the goggles have.

On a sidenote though the goggles are actually fine if you assume eventually more stealth effects will be added to the game. I would wager that eventually a DG with limited stealth will be added or there will be items like invisbility potions/cloaks/etc. and there may be other unusual effects or abilities that make use of it like mines (you'll notice it still wasn't on my list because those don't exist yet though). /endtangent

Two problems here. First the passive 200 hp/mana is just balls-out insane. If it were just 200 health or 200 mana per second it would be the absolute best favor item and virutally no others would get any usage. 200 health per second is a full BotF every four seconds and 200 mps is just outright infinite mana, not to mention any % mana effects would modify it (it already works with the HoL, you can get a full mana bar back in about 3 seconds with a plenor crown).

Now that may have been a typo, maybe you meant 20, which is much more reasonable for health but still overpowered for mana, but I have a greater issue with your second use effect... It takes what's wrong about the goggles and then just amplifies it in hopes that it'll become good. It's only useful against one DG using one specific build, that's the whole problem with goggles in the first place.

There's a few reasons. The most obvious one is that not all favor items are the same price. Some of them really are just meant to be filler items while you save up for the superior ones, take the Charm of Life for example, or the totem of war compared to the Ring of Divine Might. Because we all get capped out on favor points so quickly I think this is commonly overlooked. Not all cheap items are bad, but most are. The Anklets of Speed are good, but I would say that's because they're either too cheap or too strong.

Thematically cheap items sucking is fine, and if you excuse the poor quality of inexpensive items you cut down the list of favor items in need of improvement dramatically. It makes sense in every other game I've played, it's fine in this one. Rather than buff cheap items like the Coin Pouch or the Brilliant Bauble it make more sense to me to take what you like about those items and build new items with superior stats which cost more, especially with how badly favor points overflow after a week or two of play.

The second reason why some items are bad is because they were fine when created and game mechanics have changed. For example there used to be an invisibility cloak at the shop in beta. The goggles probably made more sense in that context.

 

The only items which truly and unjustifiably suck are the Furious Blade, Wings of the Seraphim and the Essence of Magic/Mards hammer, which are both just shitty versions of Blade of the Serpent.

I read your post pretty late at night, I must not have been in my right mind, I apologize.That just brings it so close to the Charm of Life, Staff of Renewal, and Totem of Endurance, those would have to be nerfed as well.I like the importance of HP flags, unlike items you can fight over them and I like how they pull combatants together. Also I would think you'd be frustrated with the debilitating flag too if the HP flags are an issue.