The 2012 movie is coming out soon and I think it might be a good movie (in my opinion of course). I'm a fan of giant explosions and disaster movies. As I watched the trailer, the same question pops up: is the world going to end?
Of course by now everyone has heard of 2012. Mayans predict it, Nostradamus predicts it. And so many other sources of doomsday predictions like the Book of Revelations say the end is nigh. I'm sure everyone has commented on it on one post or another, and everyone has their own opinion on when, how, and if our world, as well as our existence, will end. So I just want to know exactly your opinion on armageddon: the end of teh world.
In my opinion 2012 is possible, but very unlikely. no one can know for sure. However, i guarantee you one way or the other, Earth will be destroyed, wether it be by an expanding and exploding sun, or a 200-mile wide asteroid slamming into the planet. Even the very unlikely possibility that a black hole wanders into our system or a gamma ray burst from a quazar or pulsar just so happened to point in our direction. Earth will disappear, but humanity doesn't. One day Humanity will face a danger, either by the Yellowstone SuperVolcano, a meteor, or the final World War, that will test our ability to survive against insurmountable odds. If we are able to stop or survive a major catastrophe, then that proves that we are ready to face any danger the universe has to throw at us. And yes, we can probably survive a zombie apocalypse
Soo...what do you think?
Note: This kinda has to do with Sins because the Invasion of both the Vasari and Advent will prove wether humanity can fight an alien threat on two fronts.
-I am Noobis, GOD OF FAIL AND NOOBITRY!!!! BOW BEFORE MY FAIL! BOW!!
No. No human ever truly knows anything, they only think that they know. Evolutionists never claimed that they know exactly how life originated to my knowledge. They think that it is a mystery so I don't know where you got that from. There is no scientific theory regarding the origins of life. (Evolution is a seperate concept) It is largely speculation and conjecture.
Also, the word firmament is an incorrect translation. The word is supposed to be "expanse". Also, the word "made" doesn't have the same meaning that it does in English. Translations from very different languages often lead to distorted meanings.
Also, back on topic of the end of the world, people often think that you should use a rocket or bomb to destroy an incoming deadly asteroid. However, gravity would condense the fragments back into their orginal structure and this is very bad as a cluster asteroid can't be stopped.
The problem with science is not science itself, but the scientist. It is impossible for someone to be completely free from bias. It is in our nature. Have you heard of the Experimenter Effect? If you expect something, you will find it. Double-blind experiments help reduce this though.
Hence the commonly accepted interpretation of the term; Darwin's THEORY of Evolution.
Furthermore, if hasn't been for Newton -- Einstein's *LAWS* of Relativity would still need to be proved within a specific set of hypothesis accounting for A universal constant.
I'll submit this then; Stable Gravity (as in matter submitted to any chaos conditions towards or within infinity) is certainly equal or greater than variable (as in approximation) ˜Time. Quantum continuum in any given multi-dimensional reality (resisting to use plural for it, btw), indirectly.
Thus, the 2012 myth & other weird predictable (in *our* lifespans) events.
It's all solid deduction from facts, AFAIC. Considering theory can (or must) become law to reveal truth.
Exactly, the Bible clearly states that no one will know when exactly the world will end. He will come like a thief in the night.
So instead of investing countless hours stressing and wondering when that time will be rather just appreciate the time that is given and live that to the max.
I couldnt be bothered if that is tomorrow or 100 years from now. As long as I live my life well and dont trample on those around me and respect them as far possible, I'm all good.
Long Live the OAK
This disscussion is interesting and all but one thing annoys me, Whiskey144 it is ONLY a disscussion, so what we are talking about the end of the world, so what you don't agree with some of us, so what its not the end of the world.. but anyway everybody has there own opinion and EVERYBODYS opinion matters, wheather you like it or not Everybody has there own opinion about the end and it all matters so if you are going to post here look at both said sides of the coin, as ZehDon put it, just respect other peoples opinions, we respect yours and nobody is trying to change your beliefs but remember it is a DISSCUSSION.
People only see what they are prepared to see.~ R.W.EmersonReality is for people who lack imagination
i heard about this, especially with quantim physics, in experiments here particles act differently when being observed then they do when not observed because of this effect, but this gives me an idea
and bear with me on this
Quantim physics has many theories within it
first of all the Copenhagen Interpretation
basicly its the experimenter effect but everything in quantim physics is based off of this
an example, So sometimes a particle acts like a particle and other times it acts like a wave. So which is it? According to Niels Bohr, who worked in Copenhagen when he presented what is now known as the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum theory, the particle is what you measure it to be. When it looks like a particle, it is a particle. When it looks like a wave, it is a wave. Furthermore, it is meaningless to ascribe any properties or even existence to anything that has not been measured21. Bohr is basically saying that nothing is real unless it is observed. But it has a flaw....
Schrödinger's Cat:
( in lamins terms)
hypotheically he put a cat in a box, he gave it a shock, there is no way to look inside the box, so is the cat dead as a result of the shock or is it alive, remember you can't observe the cat in any way. There is no way of knowing weather it is alive or not. This is the flaw with the above intereptaion what happens if you can't observe it???? He states that if you can't observe it it is everything at the same time therfore the cat is both alive and dead at the same exact time.
How is this possible you may ask.....
The many worlds theory:
also known as the branching universe theory
in this theory whenever a measurement takes place, the entire universe divides into the different possible outcomes all universes are identical except for the outcome. It is not possible for any of these worlds to interact with one another. it solves the problem of shrodingers cat, what was one cat is now two however ne is dead and the other alive.
In conclusion: My theorys about the end of the world and there correspondence
1: Experimental effect, our world is exactly what we make it though are actions and thoughts therefore the end of the world is what we make it. individualy so i am saying that 2012 is possible with our actions and thoughts
2. Shrodingers cat, in 2012 the world ends but it does not end....... includes
3. The Many Worlds Theory, as stated above in 2012 the world does end but also does not end. This could also include (theoraticly of course) a Heaven and a Hell. With this theory when the end comes the universe splits into the many outcomes of each events that lead to the End but also the outcomes of the end itself, therefore the outcomes of the events without the end or the good outcome of it can be considerd heaven, you still live your life and you make it what you want to be however the post apocolyptic outcome of it can be considerd your hell. But with this theory you have no choice to be in Heaven or Hell your in both, at the same time
What do you guys think
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I was sorely tempted to reply to this as I read it, and at the end, I simply decided that I would.
The fact is with that 'cat in the box' experiment, the cat CAN'T be both dead and alive. It's either DEAD or ALIVE. Not both, just one or the other.
The same goes for being in Heaven and Hell. You in one or the other, you CANNOT be in BOTH.
From now on, I'd appreciate it if any further posts will NOT be directed towards me.
sorry man but the point i wanted to say was to respect each others opinions, they all matter and to at least consider both sides of the story ,i didn't mean to offend you so i sincerily apologize and as to my theories its quantim mechanics, you don't have to believe it and im not asking you to, i asked you what you think about it, you gave your opinion and i accept that as what it is, i am not saying it is wrong and im not saying it is right i am saying just to keep an open mind
Then stop directing yours at us.
I am familiar with the concept of the many-worlds theory, but I feel it makes more sense if the worlds diverge when the state is set, as opposed to when it is observed. I also understand the idea of the observer's paradox, but I somewhat doubt that it exists: statistical math in an infinite multiverse dictates that somebody, somehwere must be "observing" all matter all the time, even if they don't understand what they are "see"ing.
Whiskey, the problem here is you're the only one spouting things as "fact". Yet you don't realize you're just preaching what you've been tought.
@Darkfall: There is many theories out there involving physics, all of which string theory is the most interesting. According to string theory we can't truly perceive the particles in their full existance because we can only perecieve 3 dimensions. In the theory, particles are bundled inside many dimensions that we cannot pereceive, thus the "experimenter effect" you are talking about. Again, another reason why results from the LHC can never come fast enough, as they are looking for missing peieces to explain all this. If gravity is proven that it is not a constant, than we can easily deduce that it is leaking into another dimension.
@ wickedbear
Im not really up to date i just kinda stick to what i know ( like a couple of years ago i was into this) i need to get up to date though
but to be fair...
If you are not completely confused by quantum mechanics, you do not understand it. -John Wheeler. lol
Which john wheeler? Lol. But yes, I agree. The one that passed away recently im most likely guessing. My professor was John Wheeler
Yeah, in april if i remember right. Really your professior was John Wheeler (The John Wheeler or another John Wheeler) but either way thats pretty cool man.
A toast to John Wheelers everywhere and to the future and whatever it may bring
No no, he wasn't the john wheeler, but I believe he was a colleague of his at one point(I think at UT). My profesor was the head of the american astronomical society. But he was amazing none the less.
Vulgarization of Quantum mechanics is kinda tough for most people which do not have basic understandings about space, time & particule physics... but, lemme try to illustrate with some VERY simple terms.
Molecule X cannot change its location, energy, matter features **UNLESS** interacted with by Molecule Y in a specific manner that may include any of the following situations;
1- Sub-atomic scramble (Fission, transfer of energy, etc)
2- Time variation or acceleration within a physical model of representation perceivable by evidence of matter (proof, phenomenons of reality, etc)
3- Static observations of molecular "transfers" occuring within conditions created by force (gravity, magnetism, dimension shift (String theory, btw), etc)
It was called mechanics since an influence alters a Quantum state forever.
What if 2012 will be the ending of the "way we know it"...........and it marks THe Beginning of a new...."
Ok, I get that, but I don't really see what it has to do with the role of an observer...... unless the entire thing is not about the act of observing but the interference caused by that act.....
This isn't about an observer, Scoutdog.
It's more a question of what if anything can "exist" in any shape or form *IN* a period of time that anyone can perceive at that particular moment of probable evidence.
Rather simplistically said, NO observer can ever reproduce a Quantum state of matter while the clock is ticking on him no matter how hard they tried. Thus, it is a probability factor based on a continual flux of influences such as gravity or electromagnetic forces.
Interference is caused by reality and not by observations made (in a fraction of a second, so to speak) in ANY space_time continuum.
Why i've been postulating stable gravity towards (greater or equal than function) variable time for soooooo many years which is, btw, applicable in the M-String modelization of dimensions, also.
I posted this to catch people up on where this idea of how observation affects the outcome came from.
Those damned electrons! They're toying with us I know it! Just think of them at the electron bar that night
Electron 1: Ha! Did you see what I did to those scientists back there?
Electron 2 (or 1, or both): Yeah, that was CLASSIC!!! HAHAHA!!!
GAAH!!!
I knew this post would generate replies fast, but not this much so fast...
The whole Quantum mechanics thing does confuse me; I try to understand it, but there are some things that just don't make sense to anyone except a quantum physicist.
however, i slightly understand some of the theories (i.e. String Theory), but I can't explain it with simple vocabulary. It's hard.
About the rapture and the book of revelation, I believe in God, not the book of revelations. The fate of humanity should be left up to Humanity itself, not God. I be dammed to hell if the almighty thinks he is greater than human spirit and determination(I believe i just broke a cardinal sin ). Does that mean if he does armageddon, we can stop it? maybe, maybe not. I'm sure he understands that (religious zealots feel free to comment).
And as for time, I believe our universe has only one pre-determined timeline, only no one can predict what will happen. just that the choice they make was the one that was supposed to be made. If you go into the future, it will be that of another universe, same as if you try to change the past.
I stick to my beliefs about teh end of the world and that humanity has control of it's own destiny. I hope that we are able to live as long as we can (i give it a good trillion or two, that is if evolution doesn't catch up to us) and that god is the merciful kind god we are taught he is, and that revelation doesn't happen. If it does, i am prepared to forever lie in limbo...
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They Mayans also thought mounted soldiers were demon centaur creatures and sacrificed children to appease volcanoes. I don't put a lot of stock into their scientific input as something still currently applicable.
The Mayans who were writing the caldendar probably just got eaten by something or got sick and died before they finished. I don't pretend to know when the world will end, but I have a hard time believing that that the Mayans had that figured out.
Noobsauce, i have to say i really enjoy this post of yours, and not believing revalations and believing in the human spirit, i have to say bravo, your beliefs do not make you any less of a person, or any less of a christain, we have our own destiny let us embrace it.
@ yngmon, first of all i wonder where your name comes from. you need to get an avatar. but i have looked at your blog and i have enjoyed it, i hae been away for awhile and only got back on sins yesterday, im sure yours has grown since i last looked at it a few weeks ago.
@kellendunk, love the video, and yes the electrons are toying with us, i know......lol
@theringer, exactly, nobody knows when the end will come, the mayans who knows what they were thinking.
so questions have machines causing the apocolypse ever been mentioned here , i don't think it has, so Do you guys think something like skynet taking over is possible or machines becoming selfaware, your veiws on this.
Well, true AI is inevitible, but the only reason an intelligent machine would have to wipe out all of humanity would be if we were in danger of destroying the would ourselves (maybe not even then), so the point is rather moot.
true, good movie idea though
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