I agree with alot of what SoF had to say in his earlier post. Clan support, friends list, and team support should have been implemented if they were going to use any sort of auto-match making in the first place.

If it was planned to be like all the old school strategy games where everything was done through lobbies then i guess it makes sense. I would rather see those options available to the game over the new promised demigods personally.

I can see why top premade groups wouldnt want to play on the others host. It wouldnt be the first time someone got pissed off and raged because they were losing. Unfortunately, stats are important to some people, its a way of looking at your record and saying, look what i have accomplished. Its no different than training. You keep track of your reps and weight and you use that as a way to validate what you have done to achieve that.

Real shame people exploit though, but i guess some people will do anything to feel superior to others.

Simple: you're crazy good (and aren't playing against the other top 200 players as the majority of them are custom premades).

Of the premades who post on the forums, I'd guess nearly all are more keen for a good game than a nub stomp. Certainly I know facet, bear and itchy are all looking for competition because they've made numerous posts trying to organise such games, though with little success it seems.

I can host a pre vs random game because the Australian community is small enough that I know which players are good enough to compete with a premade (Stacked and Ryan will generally put up a decent fight), though the US/EU player pool is probably too large to do this effectively.

I have played against premades from AU before, and while a few have been absolute crackers, there have also been teams on voip that have performed worse than skilled randoms. So even getting a pre vs pre game going isn't a guaruntee of a decent matchup unfortunately.

I should probably point out that you seemed to be implying that the people posting here are intentionally nubstomping over and over. Facet's somewhat terse response to that is understandable, and certainly I was irked when I read the posts from both you and Healer insinuating it's somehow our fault. You are right to be agitated at the current situation, it sucks and we hear you. But it's not the fault of the people who are playing with their friends, and it's certainly not the fault of the ones that are participating actively in the forums trying to get tournaments going (Wickedbear).

The difference is we just wanted a way to match teams period. I could care less about matching us evenly or based on rating. that's just me though.

This is from "scooter" from the DoW2 forums, but I feel it's relevant:

I would suggest options a.) and c.) are most important to DG, though I'm willing to accept the hardcore crowd probably values b.) quite highly.

Note that this is only for 1v1, from what I gather balancing for team games is insanely hard, if not impossible.

I'd be in favor of the SupCom system that had each pairing with its own ranking, though with some extra abilities to allow for variations from 2v2 up to 4v4 without creating a new team entry. Maybe link it with clan creation or something similar.

But I agree with WickedBear for the short term, just get something running that can match a team of 3 against another team of 3.

All I wanted to imply was that when I log on, most of the time I see several premades with lobbies open and since I believe in the good of human beings I would think that they could battle it out amongst themselves rather than endlessly noob stomp.

I didn't mean to imply anything of any specific person or team. I have never played or even noticed a lobby hosted by wickedbear, soffacet, you or itchy so I honestly can't say anything about you guys. If I seemed to imply something specific about one of you, I apologize.