I was wondering if there is anyway to get rid of the linear spell/tech trees? I know in MOM we got to choose from about 8-10 different spells each time we learned one and was wondering if that is they way ELEMENTAL will do it as well? There's nothing more boring than the same linear tech tree or spell tree when playing these games over.
One feature I liked also was in Alpha Centauri where you had BLIND teching up. You got to pick the catagory, but, you didn't get to specifically pick the tech. I think Master of Orion also used this feature? You picked several catagories and put so many points using a slider into each one and the techs came over time.
This is the one bad thing about GalCiv2 is the same ole linear tech tree every game. You get to a point where you know it by heart and there's really no fun in that. I'd also like to see more espionage by the ai in stopping teching/spelling up. Bust that spell concentration and make them have to start over.
Maybe there should be two-dimensions: Speed and Accuracy.
You could tell your researchers you want them to come up with a bow with longer range and in six months they will do it.
Or you could tell your researchers you want them to come up with a better bow and in four months they will do it, but you don't know if it will be more accurate, better range, easier to reload, faster to produce, etc.
Or you could tell your researchers you want them to come up with someway to improve your military and in three months they will do it, but you don't know if it will come up with better armor, better bows, etc.
Or you could tell your researchers you want them to come up with... something and in two months they will do it, but you have no clue what they will give you. Could be military, could be agriculture, could be contruction, etc.
Some might think it is better to allow your researchers freedom to come up with as many new ideas as possible, while others will want to focus on the core techs to make them better ASAP.
It might be fun to let the researchs go wild for a while and then use those techs as a guide for your empire.
"Three of my first five techs were from Agriculture. My people are natural farmers."
Could be useful, as long as it's balanced. I wouldn't want to be forced into an RNG situation, or for that matter forced out of it.
Make it a mix on several levels
Magic tech should be random but you shouldn't be able to get better spells until youve researched their pre-reqs (Like AoW:SM)
Regular tech weve seen screnes for and it seems likely that youll have a linear tree up to a point, afterword you can likely continue investing for "+1+ style benefits. That or random (I say this because they already said thier will be infinite techs)
Beta's only a few weeks away. soon we can get a better idea.
I understand your concern, and i don't want you to have to remember your arguments either, just play some SMAC and tell me what you think about it. Besides, based on the dev journals, id say thats definitely not going to be the case for research anyways, i was just putting forth my opinion. only time will tell
Balancing it would be hard. It would have to be a tough choice between trying to get as many techs as fast as possible or concentrating on getting the techs needed most right away.
But I think it is realistic. After all, you tell 100 scientists, 'Come up with someone.' at least one of them will be able to have a breakthrough relatively fast. But if you tell the same 100 scientists, 'Come up with a longer range for my bows.' some won't have any idea how to do that and won't be useful.
It could work, especially in big games where getting many techs in a particular order or speed doesn't matter that much. Unlike tiny maps, where if you don't have some specific techs very early you're screwed.
The first few dozen turns you keep research wide open to build a decent base of beginning tech. It will be random, but we have to assume you won't get 30 consecutive agriculture techs and no weapons, or vice versa. then once you start meeting the neighbors, seeing the land around you, etc you shift to more guided research.
You could grow so much food that you could have legions of poorly trained, poorly equiped soldiers that could flood into an area and take it over.
You could also trade food to starving empires in exchange for protection, and military technology.
In Elemental, there will be random techs as well as techs that you can only find in the world.
This is the kind of thinking that shows how awesome a random system can be. Some people argue against it on the panicky basis that you will never get anything good, but even if you do have a bad run, it simply makes you come up with new strat. I dunno, i like the idea of thinking differently each game. I guess doing the same thing over and over has its value too...
Wow another nice tidbit!
Thank you Frogboy you have made my day. I just knew you and I thought a lot alike. :{)
Hmmm.... we'll just have to wait and see.... if this is done well it could be a lot of fun, but if the balance is off or the RNG is too overpowered, we could have a lot of save-reloading on our hands.....
This made my day as well, thank you for the very nice tidbit Frogboy
Agreed don't let reloaders cheat make them play the game to the end or start over no reload get another chance ability.
I like this. It definitely adds a new dimension to research. I look forward to learning how it is handled.
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