Great game guys. Took us a while to get going but was worth the wait. I had lots of fun.

Micael456, was it you I played in the 1v1 and the one I took out in the team game?

Yeah that was me. Though the team game wasn't insanely teamlike .

Moguta, I'd just rather they waited to do the Tournament til the Rommies came out anyway- I like variety .

Darkshimmer you played STBC?  wow   would never have put you in that front

i myself use to play it alot,  i roamed servers under the name of Oddeye for many moons lol  Was a very very good game

Oddeye, yea i know that name as well. STBC is where digital-Underground was born, and where i met most of the people i still game with today. MPMP was alot of fun back in those days. 

-Shimmer

this weekend we got a 4 player lan running and we mostly played SOA2 ! cuz this mod owns

but sadly its too unbalanced right now we had to play 3on1 (3feds vs 1 klink) guess what klingons won all major battles even 3on1 - wich made us play left4dead for the rest of the day

i know u r just testing abilities and stuff but even if its long from finished if any faction pwns the others too hard no one even wants to test it, or all play the same side wich is also boring

greets and cheers to the mod team great work so far (except the balance )

ps: @ loki i know u worked on the starship debris and its for sure awesome but if u got 600 brels blown up in some seconds u barely see anything than junk maybe a littlebit less would do it also

Shimmer, right now I think the main problem simply is that nothing the Feds have is a counter to the Vorcha. If you up it's supply usage to a similar amount to the Akiras then that would negate Vorcha spamming too. Obviously fleet balancing will really start to happen when each ship has its own ability etc, but right now in terms of pure damage, a fleet of Vorchas and Negh'Vars is nigh on unstoppable (unless you have your own said fleet). Not only are those ships damned tough, but they are a lot easier for the Klingons to get than the Fed counterparts (you can get to the Negh'Var in half the time of the Sovie on the research tree). So right now it's just because of pure firepower/ease of getting higher tier ships that the Klinks win on. Obviously, the Klinks have always favoured brute force whereas the Federation's favoured abilities, but with the abilities thin on the ground right now, it does unfortunately give the klinks a pretty large advantage.

But yeah, there's a few of the points I've really noticed playing both races.

I agree with the above sentiments about the Vor'Cha being an unstoppable powerhouse, but more than anything it's the shear imbalance in HP+SP.  Note that both the Vor'Cha and Fek'Lhr have HUGE values for HP+SP (Vor'Cha can have ~9000 when maxed, Fek'Lhr about 6-7000).  The Feds don't have anything remotely in that region - even the Akira is only about 4-5000 HP+SP.  On top of all that the Klingon cruisers have faster shield regen rates!!!!!

Thus, even if the Vor'Cha gets its supply upped to 48 like the Akira, the Fek'Lhr will become the game's new powerhouse - it's at least twice the ship as the Intrepid.  On top of that, the D-24 is still twice the ship as the Miranda.  In general, the Klingon ships just have an unfair HP+SP advantage in the most recent mod.

One of the things that may be useful to balance this out is to increase the Klingon ships' supply above the Fed ships.  Nobody doubts that the Klingons can field comparable or superior ships to the other races, but chances are they're less efficient about it.  Just make it a gameplay feature and run with it.

PS - Whatever algorithm was used to balance the cap ships may be helpful, b/c the Fed/Klingon cap ships (which were unballanced in favor of Defiants/Sovys in the initial Entrenchment release) are quite well balanced now.  The only unfair advantage currently is that the Emperor class doesn't have any research pre-requisites, making it a solid go-to ship for early game play (i.e., before you can afford to do the research for Neg'Vars).

its not only the vor'cha

just spam 16 negh'var and its GG for the federation

since the starbases are way too weak now u can just kill it with the 144 brel's u get for free

only thing u have to do is research 16 cap ship slots, +basic crewtraining and train all the 16 neg'var to lvl 4

all of us (4 lan players) like longterm games so we decided to play with about 1h peace time so no rush! that means even a noob could build up a powerful fleet!

we played 3federation on 1 klingon(me) cuz most of the people do prefer the federation but federation is way underpowered so we decided to play 3on1 not 2on2 to make it kinda fair

one battle on a federation ownd planet was really noticable -  1 starbase + defense buildings + about 40 akiras and maybe 20 other fed ships + ~20 federation mixed capitals

vs my 16 negh'var + about 20 vor'cha - i lost 3 negh'var and about 15 vor'cha - fed lost everything including the planet

my suggestion is to lower the amount of the spawning brel's to 1 , 2 , 3

and of course balance the vor'cha and the tech tree..

i love this mod but right now its kinda senseless to play(test) it, its too boring cuz klingons allways win u dont even have to think about what ur doing

2 bird of death vs 2 ambassador + 10 miranda = fed loose all..., klingon maybe loose 1 cap or its only heavy damaged

when u got neg'hvar (i can't write it correct ) its basically game over  just pump em and give them some lvls

~3k credits investet in a new negh'var >>>> 15 brel's (ok i make those numbers up but it feels like this)

Just tried this mod out and I must say good job.  I agree that the Klingon ships are a bit over powered.  I recommend lowering the HP and SP of the Klingon ships and increasing the HP and SP of the Akira a little bit and lowering its supply requirement to around 25. 

In my opinion one of the best features of this mod is the quicker pace of play.  Vanilla SOSE and all of the other mods that I have tried are a bit too slow for my taste.  This mod makes the pace of the game just right. 

I was surprised to see the Defiant and the Nebula as capitol ships, but I know why the Defiant is there and I cannot think of what I would replace the Nebula with so it seems like a good fit at second glance. 

Also, where did all of those Klingon ships come from?  I have only ever seen half of those on screen but I will admit that I have not seen every episode of every series.  I would not complain about having fewer for the Klingons and other races and would rather only see the ships that made it onto the big and small screens. 

Namoge, thats where i know you from, i was in one of your opposing clans, NUFP!

ok so i've noted what you guys have been saying and u guys have some valid points, i disagree about the feklhr vs intrepid, but it may seem stronger 

Feklhr

Not a problem, we're still in the first week of uni here so I've got quite a bit of free time for the next couple of weeks.

Also, could somebody send me a message or something if they have time giving me a simple understanding of how to write your own abilities? As I really don't know how to do it, and none of my text editors seem to be able to open the stock ones and make sense of them . If they could that'd be great, or even if they just translated some stock abilities into .txt files so I could look at them myself.

This link was posted a few pages back, but it has a lot of great modifiers to change:

https://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/306405

All of the abilities are in the GameInfo folder.  Just be sure that when you modify them that you modify both the ability file AND the buff file (ex:AbilityAntiMatterRechargeModuleDOM, BuffAntiMatterRechargeModuleDOM).  You can open them simply with wordpad or notepad.

Hm, that's an interesting tidbit, harpo.  I've been working off those files here and there and don't recall any major issues outside of my own errors, but I'll definitely keep it in mind.  Thanks!

By the way, I've been using your bin/txt converter for a few months now and have found it completely indispensable.