To categorize people so far, we've seen Star Player and How write lists consisting of tiers. I'm going to go into Tier's as well, but I'm going to get a bit more in detail. The list is going to be compiled slowly, and the big thing I want to do here is get as little bias possible. I'm going to be as honest to DT members as I will be to DU and BIA members, and anyone else who desires to be mentioned here.
I know I'm going to catch some heat. I'm only going to rate someone I've seen enough of (2+ games) to honestly rate them. If you want me to change something, I'll gladly do it if there's sufficient reason. This is just my first take.
I decided Tier 1 Will be maxed at 3 people. Gotta cut it off somewhere. Might as well be the purdy number 3. I chose three because I believe there might be at least some agreement on who the top three out there are, and when you see the names, I think you might agree these three fall into a very "different" class.
I'm nixing the tiers. One thing Sid has revealed to me is that one person shouldn't be putting people into respective "tiers" and Deciever has made a good point that evaluating people is gonna be kinda "fuzzy". So you know what? Going aphabetical.
The one person I don't want to rate is myself. People who read this are gonna have to do that.
Scale: horrible, poor, average, unknown, good, strong
_|~Atrophe:
Atrophe is a wierd player. I don't mean in his tactics. I mean in that I've seen very high highs and very low lows with Atrophe. The only thing I've seen him struggle with is an Illum spammer. He's one of the best team players I've seen. He immediately understands his role and does his best to fulfill it.
Atrophe is what I call a scrapper. He walks into battles that 9 out of 10 of us would look at and say "No way, he's gonna lose that", but then he comes out of it intact, and his enemy is dead. It's really wierd. Normally I can look at a battle and tell you who's gonna win it. With Atrophe, I can't normally tell. He'll make things happen.
[DT]Berzerker:
DT is going to disagree with me, but I haven't been blown away by Berz. Berz is a great player. Berz is one of the best at getting a huge empire and at the same time fighting off an enemy. I don't know how he does it sometimes. His ability to outwit opponents is great, and he'll be a teammate to the end.
Problem is, I haven't seen enough of Berz to give a real honest evaluation of him, but if what I've seen is any indication, he's an Illum spammer. He started playing right as I left on my 7 month hiatus, and in the 4-5 games I've played with him, all I've seen from him is Illum spamming. No flak. No carriers. No HC's. No Subjagators. Just Illums, illums, more illums,4-8 Guardians, and 3-4 caps. He'll go straight after your cap, then take out your fleet. That's exploiting the games brokenness to the MAX, and doesn't make you one of the best. Very big pet peeve of mine.
The entire community is in agreement that the Illum needs some sort of tweak. I don't think anyone's happy with their current balance except for.....the people who love to abuse them and use them. The only base I have to go by with Berz is the fact that he makes a ton of Illums and plays like a Vasari (Kill enemy cap, then kill enemy fleet). All I've seen is that simple recipe.
[DT]Cykur:
My most epic battle has come against Cykur. I was Advent. He was Vasari. I had a fleet somewhere around 6 caps, 50 Illums, and 40 HC. He had RA (Back when it just cost antimatter) and actually managed to tech up to level 8 on BOTH trees. This guy is a beast. One of the best at late game management.
I haven't played with Cykur recently, but I doubt his ability to just kick the crap out of opponents is gone. Is always one of the most fun and polite people to play with in DT.
In battle, he's kinda like JJ. He'll take heat off you by drawing attention to himself (draws in the 2 or 3 v 1 situations).
[_]-Duke Greg:
Duke's fighting technique is unique and throws people off their game. Myself included. He's one of the rare effective players who's ALSO a non-LRF spammer. I enjoy playing with him, and of the many BIA's out there, he's the guy who has been a pain in my ass and I'm willing to bet a pain in many more. His strength is his rushing. He plays TEC primarily, but I haven't seen him manage his eco the best. I've watched replays of him. His eco ability isn't bad, I just see a few things that need adjustment. Overall though, solid player.
[DT]Howthe?:
Howthe and I go way back too. He's one of the people I first started to play with online. I don't think he has a particular favorite race, but if you want the master of defenses, here it is. His tactics when it comes to defending are beastly. He'll make you cry when you see his cleverly placed PJI.
His management of fleet is good for the most part. He has a third baby now, so he's not on as much as he used to be, so I think he's starting to get some cobwebs up there in his noggin, but overall, solid player. Fights for the neutrals, fights for the win. When it comes to working as a team, he is one of the best.
GeneralVeer
Veer is good with managing an eco. Good to have as a teammate, but his fleet make up needs work. Doesn't make enough ships early on, and it comes back to burn him. I don't want to sound harsh, because there's nothing he's bad at, and really, he'll listen to critique and adjust to situations. Overall, I think he's learning, and is getting better. Just needs practice at early game management.
[DT]JohnJames/JohnJames:
Ah the Illustrious JJ. When is he NOT on? JJ is arguably the best current player out there. He's approaching 1000 games on his regular account, and when it comes to being Vasari, he's rivaled by few. I've seen him play Advent a little, but JJ is a Vasari at heart who loves dropping a starbase at your homeworld.
His understanding of building and managing a fleet is superb. His ability to get a monster economy going is excellent. My criticism in Team Cooperation is that if he's the feeder, I've seen moments where instead of giving the money to an ally for their use at the front, he'll keep it for himself, build ships with it, and then send his ships to help his ally. I understand the logic, but there seems to be lack in trust of ally's using the money properly. He micros Assailants and scouts for neutrals constantly. If you catch him in the rare moment that his assault fails, you may actually win, but good luck achieving that. There's few who do.
_|~Krath:
Krath is one of the if not the best TEC players out there. His use of the Marza is simply the best I've seen anyone use it. Somehow, he ALWAYS keeps it alive and will at some point hit you with a missile barrage. He keeps it alive. He knows how to compose his fleet, is great to have in the pocket, although there are times I've played with him when I wonder where the hell the money he has went if it's not going to me.
Main critique is that there are too many times I see him down to three planets, and his committal to the Marza rush makes him pay for it. Overall though, His adaptive nature while playing is what makes me put him up here. His understanding of the game and love of the game just seems higher than most.
King of Kings/_|~Sire:
King of Kings, or Sire as you'll probably see him as of late, loves his HC's. He plays TEC primarily and loves his HC's and his Kols. This fleet is highly armored and a good wrench to throw into early gameplay. His play suffers sometimes because people expect the HC rush from him, so the surprise element of the HC rush is gone, but overall, his teamplay is solid. He's started using scouts to hold himself over until he can afford the HC's (wonder where he learned that from ).
His econ suffers because of his love for the HC. I'd like to see him change up his strategy and not use HC's every game.
[DT]Quar:
Quar was added to DT while I was gone too, so I don't know him as well as others. Interesting player. He uses the revalation as his starting cap (plays primarily advent). This start is great becasue once he hits level 6 his cap is better than the Marza or Desolator at seiging. It's also incredibably smart because he knows that the first cap is the only one likely to hit level 6, hence why he picks it. Good Team player. Solid Econ Slot player. Lately seems to be showing a penchant for the Vasari, mobile starbases, and the Kotsura Cannon (when possible to get one).
_|~RAMM:
RAMM's an interesting person for me to evaluate. I say that because I didn't understand why people accused me of being RAMM. I had probably three people on one day ask if I was smurfing and if it was me. I figured out why though. I've finally played RAMM, and the guy loves his scouts. TEC scouts. He's pretty good, and he makes genius decisions but then he makes some idiotic decisions. He overvalues scouts, but his overall management is good. He gets a little preachy too. DU and Krath have spoken highly of him, and he seems to know what he's doing.
Raging Amish/[DT]Raging Amish:
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RubeeIsDaBomb:
Rubee is good, but I see too many times where he walks into a battle that was clearly favoring him before the game even started. When he goes unchallenged, he will constantly keep building up a huge huge empire. Plays vasari and will just send the Egg around and keep collecting planets like crazy. His ability to keep up getting the planets is good, but I've seen too many moments where instead of doing something to help an ally, he just keeps sending the egg around to collect planets. Haven't seen Rubee handle being rushed well yet.
Saxa:
I had the liberty of playing with Saxa for a couple games recently. He's got a good understanding of what it means to be the feeder, so I give kudos for that. His downfall is his fleet management. He doesn't make ships, or at least anywhere near the amount he should be making. He'll sit on cash when he's in the military spot, which I find to be odd, and a big mistake. Overall, very good econ player. I'll take him as a feeder any day. As a military role though, he could use some practice.
[DT]Siddy:
The odd thing about Siddy is he isn't known for his play, and in truth, he is one of the best players out there. What you'll know him for is his incredibably vulgar mouth in the lobby and in game. In truth, most of it's hilarious, but it'd make a sailor cover his ears....errrr....eyes.
He's a great player. I don't really have a critique against him. He's a great teammate to have, it's just a matter of whether you can put up with the insults he doles out. I know everyone smurfs, but Siddy takes it to the max. The odds are you'll never know you played him.
Slackah Chicken:
Slackah and I had a chat about his play, so maybe it'll change as time goes on. Overall, Slackah just needed a few pointers in where to go with econ and where to go with mil in early game. I think the root of his problem was he doesn't expand enough quickly enough, but he and I had a chance to talk about that, so I think he's on the rise. He's not bad at anything, and he understands his role on the field, so he's a very strong teammate. His ability in the mil spot is what needs some working.
[DT]Tyr222/Tyr222:
Tyr and I go waaaaaaay back. I remember the days when Tyr was a noob and I was helping him get a grip on the game. Then he got trained by Cykur and now he's a beast. Master with econ, any race. Great to have on your team. In terms of skill, there's no where that I see that you can poke a hole, even if you tried. My one small critique in Fleet Management and micro is that he exploits Illuminators. That's just a small thing though. Overall, Tyr's up there with JJ in terms of skill.
Just a pet peeve of mine. Side beams take the work out of bothering to compose a great fleet and bothering to micro said fleet. Most clanners are very guilt of abusing repulse with Illums, and Tyr didn't hesitate to tell me he hates it when people use scouts against his Illums.
Crusader Antonius
Scoutter
[_]-Reborn
[_]-Howler
[_]-Hack
_|~God
_|~Jbaum
_|~Uber/Top Vasari
disrespecticus
ravok
Black Sword Command/Ascension
barcode/Envee
_|~Skynet
HAHA EMO RAGE QUIT... no realy, he just did that.
if you want to talk serios, get on TS or something... publick forums and man love dont mix.
Hey Raging Amish remember me? i played a MP game with you on my side (thank god) It was the first one ive ever played. I know that we were playing with Rubeelsisdabomb. I kinda wanted to say that I like what youve done here and this list seems a little better than the others
See ya, Amish. I can understand your needing a Sins break. I hope that you'll come back soon.
[DT]Whippersnapper/DirtySanchez
Wow nice job Siddy, just get rid of one of the better players i nthe game with your constant rudeness and bad attitude, ICO really needs to ban you.
lol Scoutter. hey amish your cool in my book. why all the bashing. a teams specially clam member should be encouraging team mates not degrading them on what he or she can do. it should be a lesson learned that the scout rush didn't work and instead of boasting about how a team member lost, a better way of saying try a different race would help. well any ways then again i wouldn't know how a clan structure work. all i know is that when i was in a clan it was all about good stuff regardless if we win or loose. it was always positive and tactical sharing because you had to look out for your clan member representing the rest of your buddy's in the same clan.
thats just my 2cents.
edit: later amish. just whisper me if you smurf around so just in case i'm a captain i 'll pick you
Truth be told that's not the most elegant response I've ever given to someone, and I'm sorry Sid. I'll move you up.
DT has changed since it formed. It's not all members, and it's not just Siddy. This has been brewing for a while, and though I overreacted a bit there, I'm still leaving DT. This isn't a group I belong with.
Tantrum over. I'm over it. I've realized I enjoy the game a bit too much, even after a rough patch.
I've previously posted about the Vasari scout saying they're not combat worthy, so it's no surprise to me. I'm guilty of playing sim city more often than I should. No denying that. Never once claimed to be THE best, and never once claimed to be perfect. Truth be told, I don't really have a reference to go by with you. I never know it's you. The community seems to be in agreement that smurfing is a problem, and you've openly stated you smurf more than anyone else. That's why I put you in tier 2.
I find I go through the same ups and downs with this game. One day I'll be super frustrated and say to myself "I should really take a break", then the next I'm playing again and loving every second of it.
It's a vicious cycle, but I always come crawling back (like it was a smokin hot ex girlfriend)
I still think Siddy should be banned.
im sorry i made you cry, amish, i didint meant to
Also cut the DT leaving drama, its not like being a clanner has any significant meaning besides the "guaranteed spot" in games...
And once youve been acepted by DT mebers into DT, it doesent mean a thing under what tag you play in future (if any), its just a recognition of your skills by group of players, nothing less, nothing more.
also, scouter, you are lying, abaut that " i think" part. Blonds are, by nature, uncapable of thinking.
Im getting tired of several DT members, I've not seen siddy but Gini is getting on my nerves.
I have brown hair.
Just for the record, one of Siddy's accounts were banned.
Lol really i did not know that which?
The one without his DT account.
he has about 8 so that leaves 7 without his DT account. IC will have a fun time banning him completely.but they probably wont ever.
lol i want to no which account was banned
you guys need soase anonymous to recover from overplaying and underplaying. you all have to balance out everything thats why its always better to do your job 'first' then play.
lol siddy arent half of the players online you playing on many PCs at once
ahh i just hope this one is kept up.
Y is kok nere me?
Move him away pls i dont wanna catch a kodi spamm disease its very contagious and uncureable.
lol quar
ascention can you please recomend me to be put up here
No need to worry ravok. Just need time.
i would if i was up there myself :@
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