Edit: Ok everone, it looks like the Great Shink Crisis is over. I would like to thank The Undying for his help. Now the rest of you can get back to the debate here. And if anyone sees Shink point me his way; the hunt is not yet over! Send out the Cylon armies to help find Shink!
Will since things at my Halo vs Star Wars thread have come to a stop for at least now, I thought this would be interesting.
Now some ground rules I hope will keep this a bit civil: Everything for both sides MUST be canon. No insulting either side( jokes from modified quots from games, books and TV episodes are ok). No wanking, no Q will snap his fingers and destroy the Covenant and Halo rings, I don't watch much Trek but I know enough: Q and his people will be the first to grab the mega size bag of popcorn for the show. No Borg wanking, if the Borg are so powerful than why can't they conquer about 150 planets? And no wanking the Master Chief, Flood, Forerunner tech and anything I forgot. I want this to be as fair and civil as possible.
Now lets go with a timeline of mid-TNG for ST and the end of the First Battle of Reach in Halo. Should that be a good timeline?
I suggest that if you do not know much about either side to read up on them.
Now! Let the battle begin!
Fusion drive cores, I'm thinking for the humans to have fusion engines but have some sort of reactor that gives out the energy to do what UNSC ships can, or better.
All that agree with this say I, all oposed say nah. I.
Forerunner use Slipspace for transporting stuff like that, since Slipspace can not be harmed by stuff not in Slipspace they can get through.
No, there's notthing wrong with that, as long as that torpedo is around a Mars worth of AM and anohter worth Mars. Think about it, either those things have to be the size of planets to do that damage, or carry that stuff in something else like a Warp field or Slipspace field a few inches across; which there is no proof of. So your ship has to be lugging around a few solar systems worth of planets in AM and normal matter for this to work.
And only the Covenant will be jumping closer, but when you can appear out of nowhere no more then a kilometer in front of said fleeing ship there's not much you can do. Even if they go to Warp that means they run away or just to get farther out from the Covenant until they blast you with said light speed Energy Projector o' Doom. The Covenant can just look at where you will be and then jump there will the rest of their ships close in behind to box you in. They have to take the time then to turn up or down relative to their/enemy ship to go to Warp in a space that could be only kilometers across with weapons fire hitting from all sides.
Ok, you can out run the ship based MACs, but then you shall of to out run the Gigation range ones that can fill space with hundreds of rounds in minutes.
Sorry, but in H3 one of the Terminal seems to point to it. We can follow in their footsteps! Its been some time since I played but I think that is what one of them said, or somethng to that effect. You see there was an even older and more powerful race before the Forerunner and they gave them the job of keeping the galaxy togather will they went off and became something like Q. But even so, some Forerunner had to have been on the Ark.
Data is good, but Cortana has proven to get around a lot of stuff, plus she would be faster then Data since as far as I know Data is not interfacing with the ship like Cortana can. She would be right in the system, will Data would be at his post on the bridge stuck with his control panel. And we know that MC it not God, scared God to death then decalered him self overlord of all reality. Just a joke there. And much I point out that the MC has a vac tight suit with 90 minutes of air? How else was he able to survive in the cold of space to land on the In Amber Clad in H2? Or at the end of H3 when the stern of the Foward unto Dawn was left drifting out in space with no air in the part exposed to space with himn floating around. And as said force fields would pop up and take care of decompression. So he would not die, he would just float away until some giant Forerunner thing appears. And he said throw them around corners, so that would mean that he would wait for the guys with no shields and armor to fly away in chunks. And Slipstream is not anything like Warp in TOS, TNG DS9 and VOY. IN Warp you can hit stuff in normal space, in Slipspace you can go through planets, stars, anything and not know that you would have been dead if in normal space. And how do get more accurate then the Covenant being over 80 million kilometers away one minute, and the next no more then a kilometer or less away? An error no greater then the diameter of an atom. Slipspace would make a Covenant fleet going by look like notthing until they return to normal space and some one yells at them for letting by a giant space station plus huge fleet into Earth orbit without doing a thing. Now I don't have time for anything else, tell me if I miss or forgot any post here.
This has been a UNSC transmission.
That would be the joint Romulan-Cardassianfleet that bombed the Founder homeworld but were feed back false info on the damage by a transponder. Thats what it said at Memory Alpha about The Die is Cast, so if either MA is wrong about the transponder feeding them flase info or right, which means that the one volley did less damage then said if the MA data if correct.
See you all later to night.
whoever wrote the comment that grandadmiralsova quote shouldn't bother to argue with him any longer.
He is hell bent on finding every flaw there is just to push his arguements foward.
Star Trek has transporters, Star Trek also has transporter inhibitors. Counters to technology are generally very quick to follow the discovery of a given technology.
They can rapidly beam their own personel around without effort because the communicators are also homing devices. To beam out someone not wearing one, they have to find them using the internal ship sensors. To beam someone out that has a transport inhibitor, they have to tag them.
Boarding parties get aboard other ships by, shockingly, beaming aboard while the shields are down. Yes, I think your brain is dribbling out your ass to have not figured that one out.
Assuming MC doesn't have a transport inhibitor, a rather likely scenario as the war would take maybe a week to end in the total destruction of both Halo empires. MC boards a ship, in a rather lengthy process of physically traveling there. How does MC board the ship? As soon as he gets through the sheilds, he's beamed out of his boarding vessel and into the brig, minus everything but his skivvies.
Assuming MC has a transport inhibitor, perhaps the UNSC were decietful and pretended to be peaceful before attacking the egalitarian Federation. MC actually gets to board the ship on his own power because they were too nice to shoot the really slow moving boarding vessel and waited for it to arrive. MC runs into federation personel coming around a corner, launches grenade, gets blown back by his own weapon as the force field springs into view, locking him into a small space with his own grenade. This is standard practice against boarding parties, wall them in with force fields as security personel arrive. They then have a multitude of options, none of them result in a UNSC victory.
Warp versus slipspace. Halo ships can't hit anything in slipspace. Halo ships can't shoot anything from slipspace. That doesn't present a tactical advantage, it's a tactical disadvantage. Star Trek ships can fire phasers and torpedoes just before exiting maximum warp, sending ship destroying firepower at speeds so fast that even the ship AI can't see them coming.
I shoot a .22 at an adult oak tree. The tree blows up. Am I calmly accepting what I expected to happen, or have I just shit a brick over a horrifyingly abnormal result from my pea shooter? They expected the results they saw. That the sensors were fooled and the planet was shielded from harm doesn't change that they expected to blow up a third of the planetary crust in a couple seconds time. Your logic sucks donkey balls.
Hey, I didn't write Voyager's episodes, but the writers decided that yep, Photon Torpedoes have incredibly high yields as such. Look it up on memory alpha and do the math yourself, yes, they have that much energy.
They were fed back false info about the number of life forms, and they found out this was false info because they looked at the planet and a third of its surface was on fire. So the volley did as much damage as said. .
Lol, not really, no. I love how you try to make a scientific argument like that without knowing any of the science. I honestly don't know the science, but at least I can show an elementary understanding. Consider this scientific fact: The reaction of one kilogram of anti-matter with its matter equivalent, about 2.2 pounds, releases about 2 x 10^15 kJ. That's 47 the equivalent of 47 megatons of explosives, from just one kilogram of anti-matter. That's not just a Star Trek fact, that's a real fact. Of course, even if we assume a reasonable energy output of 50% of theoretical, that's still over 20 megatons of explosives coming from one kilogram. Realistically, to destroy a small moon, you would need about one million kilograms. Not a trivial matter of course, this one be about the size of a small asteroid worth of antimatter. But then again, considering that you want to make a [fictional spaceships vs. fictional spaceships that could and never can exist] argument, it's rather asinine for you to criticize the science of star trek.
If you consider anti-matter destroying a planet inane, let's look at the science of Halo, because you clearly seem to think that Halo is not only uber over Star Trek, but more realistic.
A space station can fire a 3000 ton (approx 2700000kg) metal projectile at 30,000 km/s. It accelerates the 2,700,000 kg projectile to 120,000 km/s by applying force using magnets (!) over the course of only a kilometer. If you know anything about basic physics, you know that this is simply dumb to even consider possible. The energy necessary is so tremendous that it could be better used constructing more advanced weapons. Case in point: you can't argue against the science of Star Trek from a Halo standpoint because not only is Star Trek a sci fi series, Halo's science is just as stupid, and the way its science is utilized is simply dumber.
If in Halo, a 27 gigaton bomb can destroy a quarter of the surface of a planet a crack a moon when detonated in space (a laughable proposition at best), then yes, it's completely acceptable for a photon torpedo to destroy a small planet.
Ok, seriously, leave the science out of it. Just because the opposition stoops to reality while arguing fiction doesn't mean we have to join them.
Although I guess it is rather hilarious that a nuclear bomb detonated in space does anything but make pretty lights...
I'd rather stick to conventional warheads too, it's not as if they run around firing off those big daddies in conventional warfare. That was a one time doomsday device to convince certain unmentionably stupid alternate universe aliens, that I'm still pretending don't exist, to fuck off and go away.
Not to mention it's terribly unfair to Halo, next you'll be mentioning time travel, subspace tears, all kinds of nasty tricks.
Just want to point out that I disproved the 27 gigatons in reply 62. Halopedia did the calculation with 30 megatons per warhead in the NOVA. As I pointed out:
To find the power of the NOVA bomb, we would need to calc its blast - and I don't think anything less than mid teratons could produce that result.
Try to keep your complaints valid, ok.
Also, is worth nothing that they were planning to deploy NOVAs in ship to ship combat to level the playing field with the Covenant.
For the debate:
I think the Covenant's best plan is to mass produce the sniper ship they used at Reach. It should have the firepower and weapon speed to destroy or serverly damage a Star Trek ship and Trek ships can't dodge like the Pillar of Autumn(It used emergency side thrusters to blast itself sideways the instant Cortana detected anything resembling a power buildup).
"So the rough estimation for the NOVA Bomb may be around that of a twenty-seven gigaton yield blast(if the multiplier was exactly one hundred-fold the equation is: 9 warheads x 30 megaton x 100 = 27 gigaton yield)." --halopedia article. If Halopedia is incorrect, it's not valid as a source for anything is it? In that case, you would have to produce quotes from books to prove anything you say if we can't go by Halopedia. You didn't "disprove" anything, you just said "lol, halopedia is wrong, that bomb is actually much bigger!"
So why don't you actually tell us what the real yield is of the bomb instead of saying "lol keep your complaints valid, just trust me, it's a really really big bomb!"
Yes they can, I don't think you've ever seen a TV episode of Star Trek, and you've plainly ignored say, the stupidly godlike weapon ranges and powers and ship speeds of Star Trek ships we've mentioned and sourced.
"(It used emergency side thrusters to blast itself sideways the instant Cortana detected anything resembling a power buildup)."
GL to Cortana dodging a photon torpedo that goes 8 million miles in hundreths of a second.
We have to assume Slipspace and Warp are the same thing, otherwise there is no way to put the two against each other. We have to compare relative technologies, and if they don't match in some way, then they cannot be compared. However, as I said earlier, I took Slipspace, and translated it into Warp speeds, seeing as someone actually took the trouble to do some calculations, unlike basically ANY technology from Halo. Thus, Slipspace, being the same as Warp, Halo ships would be able to be fired upon by Star Trek ships, due to the fact that Torpedoes and newer Phasers (Type XII and newer) can be fired at warp speeds.
On the note of MC getting onto a ship and just blowing shit up, remember that the UNSC does NOT have a counter to transporter technology, especially not Star Trek transporter technology. Thus, MC wouldn't have an inhibitor, and the second MC started doing ANYTHING hostile on the ship, he would be confined between two forcefields and all access to that DECK would be shut down. Assuming Cortana pulled a trick out of her cyber-ass and got MC out of that, they would just trap him again, and beam his suit off, which is possible, seeing as they have beamed weapons off of other people.
On the Enterprise, Data and Geordi made connections to make it so that Data could interface directly with the Enterprise. Assuming that the UNSC and the Federation had met\talked\whatever, and it came to blows, Data would most likely hook up to the Enterprise to counter any UNSC AIs.
Phasers travel at .983c. Torpedoes at Warp 9.6. Even then, there is no proof that Covenant weapons can pierce Federation shields SINCE THERE ARE NO NUMBERS.
On MACs, see my previous post about how MACs are useless weapons against Star Trek ships, leaving Archer Missiles, which can be shot down, and Covenant weapons, which no information about them are listed ANYWHERE, cannonically.
What infromation is on Covenant weapons show us that they use brute force and (unquestionablly) inferior methods on guiding their weapons. It seems they manipulate their weapons using magnetic fields ( Refer to Ghosts of Onyx for this), and it is a simple matter of interfering with those magnetic fields that render them useless. Star Trek ships need only to bring in a magnetron or something to render most of the covie big guns useless. They still have pulse lasers but those are relatively inneffictive against even their UNSC counterparts. Their last canon weapon system, the Energy Projector, is little more than an amped uped phaser shot. It could be more, but as of yet i have seen no specs on the weapon.
Which brings us back to the UNSC. we already assume that MACs are useless, leaving Archer Missles, Shiva Nukes, and autocannons; all of which are easily countered.
on a side note, Picard should just beam off the suit for one reason only, What does the Master Cheif's face look like
Then you can't compare Warp and Slipspace, seeing as Slipspace doesn't exist in Star Trek, and vice versa.
That's why I said that for comparision's sake we would say they are the same thing. Read an entire post and THINK before you post a reply.
Really, we just put any ship up against the Defiant. Game over.
quote who="Josef086" reply="14" id="2253652"]That's why I said that for comparision's sake we would say they are the same thing. Read an entire post and THINK before you post a reply.There different which is the point. The only thing the same about them is that they in a way allow faster then light travel. One uses warped space time one uses a different dimension. Neither has the other tech as you said. So neither would really have an advantage over the other. I doubt halo ships can touch a ST ship in warp, and a ST ship could not touch a halo ship in slip space.Voyager did have a slipstream drive in one episode or two. My understanding was it allowed travel in a slipstream space. This slipstream is not the same as warp and its not in normal space. Perhaps that is the star trek version of slipspace. When I read the fall of reach it was that episode of voyager that came to mind. They may have even called it a slipstream at some point in halo. Here is something that sort of has both in it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slipstream_(science_fiction)[/quote]
There is no slipstream in Star Trek. It was a term used when Voyager broke the Warp Barrier, similarly used as the term Transwarp.
Halo weapons are WAAAAAAAAAAY too slow to even consider hitting a Star Trek ship at warp, let alone impulse speeds (with one maybe two exceptions). Since there is virtually NO data on Slipstream Space cannonically, there is no way to know if a Star Trek vessel could fire on a Halo vessel in Slipspace. The likeliest possibility is catching a torpedo in the Slipspace wake, and taking it along for the ride, or having the ship itself slip in. But, because of SERIOUS lack of information, there is no way to know what would happen at that point.
The episodes are "Hope and Fear" and "Timeless"
Sorry for not quoting my entire post then:
The UNSC HAVOK tactical nuclear mines are 30 megatons (The Fall of Reach, pg 200. Who ever did that NOVA calc pulled the number of their ass. I can't recall it ever being said what type of warhead was in the NOVA, most likely SHIVAs.
Plus we need to remember that when the Covenant glass a planet they boil/vaporize all oceans as well - which requires an insane amount of energy.
I don't think Halopedia is a good source and I never used it in any of my posts. If you look at my posts you will see that I reference the book I get my information from and I usually provide the page number.
There is no yield given, only the result. Much like well over 90% of Star Trek(and science fiction in general).
pg 245, Ghosts of Onyx
Every ship not protected on the dark side of the planet boiled and vaporized in an instant.
The Atmosphere of the planet wavered as helical spirals of luminescsent lit both north and south poles, making curtains of blue and green ripple over the globe. As the thermonuclear pressure wave spread and butted against the thermosphere, it heated the air orange, compressed it, until it touched the ground and scorched a quarter of the world.
The tiny nearby moon Malhiem cracked and shattered into a billion rocky fragments and clouds of dust.
The overpressure force subsided and three-hundred kilometer-per-hour winds swept over Joyous Exultation, obliterating cities and whipping tidal waves over its coastlines.
pg 183 of Ghosts of Onyx has a message from Cortana requesting that the UNSC Nova-bomb Delta Halo to stop the flood. This shows that the ability for the UNSC to produce NOVA bombs was not lost when Reach fell.
Acutally, I have seen some Star Trek. I never saw an episode where ships dodged directly sideways without changing the direction they were facing.
Some examples in The Fall of Reach.
pg 297
pg 297-298
Cortana switched back to view the doomed UNSC destroyer Minotaur. The lance of energy was needle-thin. It struck the vessel on A deck, near the reactor. Cortana pulled the view back and slowed the record frame by frame - the beam punctured through the entire ship, emanating below H deck by the engines.
"It drilled through every deck and both sets of battleplate," Captain Keyes murmured.
The beam moved through the Minotaur, slicing a ten-meter-wide swath.
pg 320
pg320-321
[quote]Cortana nodded. "I'll do my best," she said. "Their weapons does travel at light speed. There won't be much time to - "
A bang resonated through their port side hull. Captain Keyes flew sideways. Blue-white light flashed on their port view screen.
"One shot missed," Cortana replied.[quote]
In regards to the speed of photon torpedoes, wouldn't they drop back down to their normal speed once they exit the warp field of the ship that fired them?
For their range, Memory Alpha has this on the photon torpedo page
Since this debate takes place during 'mid-TNG' and the range is from an episode in season 4, this is probably the best range to use.
Considering that the highest speed I have seen for impulse is .25c, all the Covenant weapons can hit. I showed the speed of the plasma torpedos, in reply 38, as .5c with a range greater than 9.05 light seconds. Both the pulse lasers and Energy Projector are c speed weapons, so they can hit as well. It is the UNSC that has the slow weapons.
Well, this post took time to type(had to find my Halo books and I added to it as I saw some new responses). Hopefully the actual text from the Halo books will be useful.
Maximum impulse is .75c, or 244,844 km\s. Does no one read my posts?
The fastest RECORDED Halo weapon is the MAC, at 30,000 km\s. Thus my OTHER post about how MACs are useless.
Who said it was 'Mid-TNG" exactly? I assume 2379, or Star Trek Nemesis. Like how I assume the Halo end is basically the end of Halo 3.
Photon range is 4,050,000 km and they travel at warp 9.6 for something like 10 seconds. I will look it up.
I'll admit, I'm not an expert on Star Trek, that's why I stated in my posts that the the circumstances only exist if Trek ships lack additional defensive measures. So you could be a bit more polite.
The defenses you listed would definitely make a boarding action harder to execute - UNSC or Covenant ships would have to raid an outpost to aquire transporter inhibitor technology before seriously considering such a strategy. Considering the fact that Trek ships seem to have faster FTL speeds, this would be difficult, but from what I've heard, warp speed varies widely between the different sources, and the Federation is so big that they would be hard pressed to defend all of their outer colonies.
In terms of getting aboard the ship, a transport would simply exit slipspace right outside then entry hatch, thus bypassing the warship's primary weapons. Any other course would obviously require defenses that a typical transport lacks. Getting past the shield would require the shield interfacing described earlier in the thread. Once inside, it becomes a matter of whether the boarders can hack into the ship computer (and thus take control of the force fields, transporters, etc.) before being overwhelmed. Since boarders are equipped with shields and armor to protect them, and considering that the destruction of external systems results in control panels on the bridge exploding... I don't see that being too difficult.
Edit: Almost forgot, sorry for the galaxy worth of text, and tell me if I fogot anything or made a mistake. And tell me what you think of the story I have so far my book. Still working on the title.
I am just doing my best here with limited time to do stuff. There's just to many posts to keep track of right now. So till me if I did anything wrong also, I invite everone to do that all the time.
It only "sucks donkey balls" if they didn't say what the false info was at Memory Alpha, I just gave what I found, and thank you for correcting me. I just do the best I can with the time and resources I have. But it really blew up? I have to say that's more power then I would have thought. Amzaing shot there.
Sorry, it didn't say that it was only life forms, it just said false information about it at Memory Alpha. So it can do that then. I am sorry, but I just went by what I found.
I am sorry, I didn't mean to exaggerate it, but I was just saying that you need a giant torpedo either way for that. And I do not criticize ST tech(except the AM reactor a few times), I just can't see any Sci-Fi else where taking on that sort of weapon.
And I think UNSC tech, besides the massive amounts of power which I know are insane, are more realistic, but ST is no more in many areas. Anti-matter matter weapons will most likely be used in the far future. I don't think that either is more realistic. And ok then, the photon torpedo with the right yield is enough to do that. Edit: And the station fires at 40 percent the speed of light! And that bomb based off of the effect given is in the Teraton range! I even did it late at night, and its late now: 6000MTx9x100=540Teratons. So they are using one giant bomb that was to wipe clean space of the Covenant.
And I am sorry about exaggerating how much is needed, I just find it hard for there to be that much fire power in such a small weapon even for Sci-Fi! And reality counts since that is what both are based off. One is with stuff that can kill all life in the galaxy and the other has time travel and other stuff.
Oh? Will if the day comes during your life that a giant hunk of space rock with our name on it comes hurtling down from the heavens all those people who think that nukes can be more then pretty lights by saving the world I bet you would't find it so hilarious then. But then it could take all the nuclear weapons in the world to have a chance against one of the really big rocks, even if they just blow them up off the surface to move it.
And thank you for going with normal warheads. I wish I had never even seen a VOY or ENT episode! I wish they didn't count! Ugh, I hate ENT and VOY, I rarely watch them but even now they make my head hurt from just thinking about them.
Ok then, the MC can not board your ships easily. And thank for correcting me about Data vs Cortana there, shall don't know which would win, but that would be a battle to see for sure.
And what then is stopping anyone from saying that the Covenant can blow up worlds like DS 1 or ST can do that. They are not the same! They can not! Halo ships have never engaged each other in Slipspace, and since that even the lowest level of Warp allows that to happen in ST then they are not in any way the same beyond that they are FTL drives.
Phasers can go at .983c. if they are fired in Warp space! Not one thing in either universes can go by the light barrier unless they use their FTL drives. Phasers will not be faster then light in a vaccum. And Covenant weapons would most likely be able to, it would just take a dozen or so Plasma Torepdos or at most four Energy Projector blast I think. And since the books count they are listed cannonically.
If we say they are the same thing then whats stopping us from turnig both universe up side down? They are two ways to get by the light speed barrier and that all that matters besides the fact that ST can't attack a ship in Slipspace and Halo can't attack ships at Warp.
The weapons that can take you out at Impulse speeds would be: Energy Projector c, Pulse Laser turret c and Plasma Torpedo at half c.
You can not fire in Slipspace, with the exception of the Foreunner divice in First Strike that took a dozen or two dozen Covi ships along for the ride. And I don't know if sending a torpedo into the wake would work or not since the ship once back in normal space would most likely be a fair distance from where they returned, but that ship following could work after they learn enough about it; or seeing part of a city being pulled along by a massive Assault Carrier.
Then lets go with that.
Yes, I and I think everone reads your post. And that is not the fast RECORDED Halo weapon! The fast are pulse lasers and Energy Projectors, next would be Plasma Torpedos, then the 40 percent LY Super MAC, then the ship MAC which is 30,000 km/s. Do you read my post? I and others already mention how fast other weapons are. And I said at the top. But lets just put that to rest and not talk about the MAC anymore if we can..
I was thinking of one of the episodes around season four's Future Imperfect. Since unlike VOY episodes like the one with the Doctor 700 years in the future; the only one I know of that did that, they would all be in chronological order by season, and tell me if I'm wrong. Quote." This is a good day to die, and this day is not yet over-" Worf. Tell me if I quoted that wrong.
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0706 Hours, July seventh, 3107, Military Calendar. 47 Ursae Majoris system, planet New Constantinople. SCIC Ship Nemesis. Space was calm ten million kilometers from the world of New Constantinople-then space seem to expand from a pinpoint into a pulsing portal of green-white. And out of the realm of what humans called Hyperspatialstream the one point three kilometer long cruiser Nemesis drifted out, the primary fusion drives blazed to life as the ship accelerated toward the planet. Captain Alexander Kane watch as data scrolled across the tactical display, currently showing the surrounding space. Next to a holo of the ship was a count down timer, 5:43 Seconds to the drop. “Sir, incoming transmission from General Nelson,” Com officer Calvin Jaggers reported. “Patch him through.” There was a moment of static before clearing up to the sound of gunfire and small explosions.” This is Gene-l Nelson; commanding officer of One-oh-fi-Orbital Drop Troopers Company to Sol Core Interstellar Command vessel Nemesis-” the sound of a large explosion drowned him out-”eed help. CGA forces have us pinned down and out numbered five to one. Please respo-” the transmission was cut off by an even larger explosion for a split second before going to static.” “Jade, can you hack into the orbital Com gird yet?” He asked the small, green holographic woman to his right. “Not yet sir, they locked the entire grid down with one hell of a firewall. At this rate, by the time I get into the satellite grid we will have gone through a thousand geo-orbi-those crazy bastards... They detonated the main central reactors for the entire southern continent.” “They blew the Mariana reactors! What the hell is going on down there? They took themselves and half the continent up in flames!” “Sir, system wide transmission from the capital city of Vensa. Playing now,” Jaggers said. “This is Colonel Faison Maine of the Colonial Guard Army. What you are about to see and hear is what the so-called defender of the colonies, the SCIC attempted to stop us from librating this Inner Sphere world from their tyranny.” What was showed next was a video of what appeared to be SCIC Army division Engineers and a Colonel ordering them to overload the Mariana reactors-” cut the transmission.” He ordered in disgust and hatred at what these people-no, anyone that would do these could not truly be human any longer, even if they had once been. He opened a Com channel to the ODS commander on the ship, Major Dante Lionsdale.” Major, things have just gotten worse, they blew the Mariana reactors and sent a system wide transmission blaming the SCIC. Your new objective it capturing this Colonel Faison Maine, take him alive. You will be dropped half a kilometer from the waterfront. It seems that this Faison sent his message from the Governor’s office.” “Yes sir! They think they can get away with doing this to my home world there in for a big surprise, sir.” “Good luck Major, and God speed. Bridge out” “Good luck Major, and God speed. Bridge out.” The Captain had closed the channel. Dante yelled in anger and knock a small carte over before calming down. He had never thought it would get this far, the entire war, never had he thought that they would make it into the Inner Sphere, and his home. He marched out of the his team’s Drop Pod, and into the main cargo bay twenty meters aft. “Listen up Marines! These sons of bitch’s just made the biggest mistake in history by attacking my home world. Now we are going to go on a trip to the capital and shove a cork up there asses so hard their heads will exploded! Am I right Marines?” “Sir yes sir!” They replied, they knew that he had a temper, he had lost his parents when he was thirteen to a CGA bombing on the Middle Regions world of Onyx, that had been eleven years ago, two years after it had started in the Outer Regions. After becoming a Marine he had risen thourgh the ranks until he becam a Major two years ago. Will that’s what I got so far. Do you like it? I want to start the series out with this conflict to get the main characters fleshed out. But I could use some help with the story arch with what I have planed for the first contact type book. I want something like Halo with the combat in some ways but more believable in tech for the era such as weapons like Rail and Coil guns small enough for infantry use. And how many of you here have played the 2002 game Defender? I was thinking of using the Battleship Patriot for how the large human ships look. Instead of a massive energy weapon for the giant turret have it be a dual coil gun like what the UNSC uses but more powerful. And if anyone wants to put this up somewhere else just remember to put my name there as the writer or I will have to send a team of Spartan III‘s after you... Or the annoying floating eye! And any suggestions for it? Like a better name then what I have now for FTL travel? It just doesn't feel right and I can’t think of anything else right now. And tell me if there is anything I fogot or made a mistake on. Its far to hard to keep track of this must. This has been a UNSC transmission.
0706 Hours, July seventh, 3107, Military Calendar. 47 Ursae Majoris system, planet New Constantinople. SCIC Ship Nemesis.
Space was calm ten million kilometers from the world of New Constantinople-then space seem to expand from a pinpoint into a pulsing portal of green-white. And out of the realm of what humans called Hyperspatialstream the one point three kilometer long cruiser Nemesis drifted out, the primary fusion drives blazed to life as the ship accelerated toward the planet.
Captain Alexander Kane watch as data scrolled across the tactical display, currently showing the surrounding space.
Next to a holo of the ship was a count down timer, 5:43 Seconds to the drop.
“Sir, incoming transmission from General Nelson,” Com officer Calvin Jaggers reported.
“Patch him through.”
There was a moment of static before clearing up to the sound of gunfire and small explosions.” This is Gene-l Nelson; commanding officer of One-oh-fi-Orbital Drop Troopers Company to Sol Core Interstellar Command vessel Nemesis-” the sound of a large explosion drowned him out-”eed help. CGA forces have us pinned down and out numbered five to one. Please respo-” the transmission was cut off by an even larger explosion for a split second before going to static.”
“Jade, can you hack into the orbital Com gird yet?” He asked the small, green holographic woman to his right.
“Not yet sir, they locked the entire grid down with one hell of a firewall. At this rate, by the time I get into the satellite grid we will have gone through a thousand geo-orbi-those crazy bastards... They detonated the main central reactors for the entire southern continent.”
“They blew the Mariana reactors! What the hell is going on down there? They took themselves and half the continent up in flames!”
“Sir, system wide transmission from the capital city of Vensa. Playing now,” Jaggers said.
“This is Colonel Faison Maine of the Colonial Guard Army. What you are about to see and hear is what the so-called defender of the colonies, the SCIC attempted to stop us from librating this Inner Sphere world from their tyranny.” What was showed next was a video of what appeared to be SCIC Army division Engineers and a Colonel ordering them to overload the Mariana reactors-” cut the transmission.”
He opened a Com channel to the ODS commander on the ship, Major Dante Lionsdale.” Major, things have just gotten worse, they blew the Mariana reactors and sent a system wide transmission blaming the SCIC. Your new objective it capturing this Colonel Faison Maine, take him alive. You will be dropped half a kilometer from the waterfront. It seems that this Faison sent his message from the Governor’s office.”
“Yes sir! They think they can get away with doing this to my home world there in for a big surprise, sir.”
“Good luck Major, and God speed. Bridge out”
“Good luck Major, and God speed. Bridge out.”
He marched out of the his team’s Drop Pod, and into the main cargo bay twenty meters aft.
“Listen up Marines! These sons of bitch’s just made the biggest mistake in history by attacking my home world. Now we are going to go on a trip to the capital and shove a cork up there asses so hard their heads will exploded! Am I right Marines?”
“Sir yes sir!” They replied, they knew that he had a temper, he had lost his parents when he was thirteen to a CGA bombing on the Middle Regions world of Onyx, that had been eleven years ago, two years after it had started in the Outer Regions. After becoming a Marine he had risen thourgh the ranks until he becam a Major two years ago.
Will that’s what I got so far. Do you like it? I want to start the series out with this conflict to get the main characters fleshed out. But I could use some help with the story arch with what I have planed for the first contact type book. I want something like Halo with the combat in some ways but more believable in tech for the era such as weapons like Rail and Coil guns small enough for infantry use.
And how many of you here have played the 2002 game Defender? I was thinking of using the Battleship Patriot for how the large human ships look. Instead of a massive energy weapon for the giant turret have it be a dual coil gun like what the UNSC uses but more powerful.
And if anyone wants to put this up somewhere else just remember to put my name there as the writer or I will have to send a team of Spartan III‘s after you... Or the annoying floating eye!
And any suggestions for it? Like a better name then what I have now for FTL travel? It just doesn't feel right and I can’t think of anything else right now.
And tell me if there is anything I fogot or made a mistake on. Its far to hard to keep track of this must.
there are a couple of common FTL types:
Slipspace - not just Halo, but other sci Fis use this, such as Andromeda
Hyperspace - uses a semi-alternate dimension
Unnamed FTL - just FTL, instant jumping, such as in BSG
Warp - not that common, only place used that I know of: Star Trek
Singulatarity drive - somewhat like Hyperspace, but uses generally stationary singularity points to enter/exit the alternate dimension
also, a tip on Ship names: the names of ships, when written, are italicized, such as the Shadow of Intent, the Andromeda, the Galactica, and the Nemesis. if the rest of text around it is italicized, then it is normal. (i.e. The Shadow of Intent, and the Nemesis)
Are you really telling me how to make a post when you can't even capitalize and punctuate correctly? Right.
The Torpedo would be outrun if its max is .5c. I don't know anything about the properties about the Energy Projector, but I assume it isn't any more powerful than a phaser. About the Pulse Laser Turret, it was proven in an early episode of TNG that Star Trek navigational shields, not to mention the regular shields, are impervious to lasers*, but the hull would react normally. A Phaser can be fired at impulse speeds at a range of 300,000 km at the speed of .983c, with a 16MW output. That is how it works at impulse. It would be obviously faster if the ship is at warp. And you should know that .983c is 983 thouandths of the speed of light. Even the .4c Super MAC would be useless, seeing as it is still fire-and-forget. The only Halo weapon that even has a chance is the Energy Projector, but only because I don't know anything about it.
Thus why my comparison test was inconclusive.
That's an idiotic point in Star Trek history to use as a comparison. We should be using the latest for both series. I will continue to do so.
*Season 2 Episode 4 "The Outrangeou Okona"
Thanks, I'm thinking of having a bit of a cross in with Warp and Halo Slipstream; have the ability to go through stuff in normal space like stars and planets, maybe have FTL combat and the star like spheres that are in Warp space. But I'll work it out. Right now I just need to find some sort of Sci-Fi reactor that can do all the stuff that Halo has like the S-MAC platforms but might be more reality based if possible. And what did you think? Is it good or bad? And anything else that might help. Thank you.
Sorry about that, somethig happened when I took it from Works Word Processor and put it in my post and I didn't notice; I'll take care of it now.
No really numbers, but here's page 194 of The Ghost of Onyx. Quote." Fire sll lines," Voro ordered. The lights on the bridge dimmed as plasma heated and flowed from their lateral banks and arced forward in twp bloody streaks across the dark." Counter guiding siganls detected!" Y'gar shouted." Attempting to disrupt." The plasma blots drifted back and forth and diffused into smears in a signal tug-of-war between them and the Jiralhanae. Voro had not anticipated they would have such abilities. Stolen, no doubt... so they would't know all the system's intricacies." Reprogram to home in on their signal lock, Voro ordered." Yes sir," Y'gar murmured, and his hands moved algorithm blocks over his console." Lock reestablished on new signal," he said. Their plasma soomthed, concentrated-and accelerated. The Jiralhanae frigate turned into their shot, presenting a smaller target. A desperate maneuver and not quick enough. The friagte's shield heated, dispersing the first bolt of super-heated inized gas. The second strike hit bare hull, melting the shield arrays and sensors, boiling away layers of smooth blue armor-alloy." Fire energy projector," Voro commanded," dead-center targeting solution." Aya, sir," Uruo said." Projector spinning up-firing." The bridge lights flickered to ultraviolet backup as all of Incorruptible's power drained into the lance of destruction. It lit the space around the battle, a cleansing illumination. The Tenebrous appeared frozrn in time for a moment... before the energy tore through its hull, blasting internal decks to atoms-amidship, and then the aft plasma coils-shattering the ship into haze of glowing particles. Unquote.
Show me the Enterprise gutting an entire ship with one shot from a Phaser blast and you got me there. But that is just a small ship being attack by a very large 3000 meter long Cruiser.
Now good night everone, just to late to do anything more.
Watch the first four or five episodes of DS9. Watch as DS9, which has a lower class phaser array than the Enterprise-E, slice a ship in half. Phasers are more of scalpels, instead of greatswords. Even then, what is to say that the shields of the destroyed ship is anywhere near the charge of the Enterprise?
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