Next week we're planning to release the v1.03 update for Sins of a Solar Empire: Entrenchment. In keeping with all the Entrenchment goodness, v1.03 will only be available via Impulse (http://www.impulsedriven.com) to registered customers.
WARNING: THIS UPDATE MAY INVALIDATE EXISTING SAVE GAMES.
But what of Vasari? I play big single player games like you and there is only 3 caps I would say are deffinates. The Egg, you can never have too many. The Seige cap because of how it is the ultimate vs a Star Base and for clearing up planets and the Carrier cap for obvious healing + strike craft boost.
But why bother with the Marauder? If I have about 5 caps already sometime I might get a Marauder to get a speed boost for my fleet, but if I use the level 6 ability of it once in a game that's more than I expect to. I often don't bother with the fleet speed boost, I'd rather just have another Desolator or Evacuator.
And what of the Battleship? If you are going to say the strike craft silence is so amazing then you just wasted most of the caps dps and tanking ability aswell because you don't have enough anti matter for Power Surge and the Silence ability. And the level 6 ability? Well I'd rather have Nano Disassembler, you get tons more damage out of it considering how cheap it is and it's short cool down. I do get one more than I do a Marauder but I just wish it was better at it's job, I wish there might be a reason that more than 1 of them would be useful.
Currently a Vasari cap combination (for 1 fleet*) consists of
(unlimited) Space Eggs
below is optional, more necessary on big games
(unlimited) Desolators but no need to get more than you have Space Eggs
(1) Carrier
below even in a big game it barely matters to get them
(optional 1) Battleship
(I'm mopping up so who cares now, I'll take one just for fun) Marauder
*With Vasari I tend to have 1 offencive fleet and 1 or more non cap defencive fleets that supports my Star Bases.
Well, if you don't bother with the speed boost then it's more about your playing style than the usefulness of the ability, isn't it? I always have a Marauder for the speed boost, because it easily lets you catch up to a fleet that's trying to jump out so you can nuke it with a Grav Warhead from your egg and rip it to shreds. Not to mention it makes your fleet PJI-immune in case you got in a bit over your head and need to get out quickly. And its ultimate is very useful for getting reinforcements, since ships built out of a factory will fly to it directly.
Disruptive Strikes is passive, and Volatile Nanites is extremely amazing. It lasts for a minute, makes ships take more damage, and every time an affected ship is destroyed it does 150 damage to every enemy ship within a range of 1000. It only takes a few light frigates or LRFs blowing up to start a chain reaction that's pretty hard to stop. Nano Disassembler is a single target shield bypasser, not an AOE ability.
Perhaps, if I'm outvoted on this I'm willing to concede I must just not 'get' the ship or something, but I don't see how it's more useful than any other cap.
If you have Gravity Warhead when do you ever get a situation where you need a speed boost to catch them though?
Disruptive Strikes is close to worthless, it doesn't do enough to make any real effect.
Volatile Nanites amazing? I've used that ability tons of times, used it in combination with the Egg's nom nom, used it on a Gravity Warhead stuck fleeing group and all times I've never thought it was amazing, it was kind...OK at best. You need to save AM for it too, it's pretty expensive. The reason Nano is so much better is the Egg can do Nano nom nom all day long it's so cheap on AM and the CD is so short you can be targeting ship after ship after ship for destruction while you are fighting. Nanites has a massive CD, it just wont have anywhere near as good an effect in the length of a battle.
You can't really continuously use Grav Warhead and Nano in battle, and sometimes they start running when you enter the grav well without engaging.
Antimatter drain? Sure it does. 35% per weapon shot to drain 16 AM, add that on to Power Surge for the great increase on ROF. It may not be as extreme as Missile Barrage, but when you sic it on a cap ship, it feels it.
We must be playing a different game. You cast it on a clump of brittle ships that go pop quickly. There's no way Nano is as effective at destroying 30+ LRFs/LFs/support cruisers as Nanites. After a few ships go boom, the rest get so low on health that they start exploding from the nanite explosions themselves, you don't even need to shoot them.
You can use Nano continuously in battle and as soon as they start to flee you will easily have enough AM for several GWs.
I've never had VN pop that many ships, no way, love to know under what conditions you managed that. My experience is ships take too long to kill to start chaining together the AOE effect. I'm going to have to retry to achieve what you are claiming here but I've never had that success with it and I've shot a hell of a lot of VN.
Yes. Subs die way to easily. Your talk about force multipliers and critical mass forgets to take into account cost effectiveness. To reach the critical mass of subs you need to spend more resources then they vare worth.
Yes, yes I know what they do. Thats why they suck, both of their abilites are channelled so you need to baby sit them just so you can take 1 Kodiak out of the fight for a few seconds. Wow, that was worth microing wasn't it? NOT! Perseverance is never ever adequate for healing. The targeting AI for the Domina is terrible.
To get a chain reaction of VN you need a large fleet. Thats when you see the effect.
Well thats were their should be. In large fleet battle their worth mroe then combat ships. And yliek I said you need to build more then just 2. Me as TEC in mid to alte game my support cruiser ratio to comabt ships is about 1/3rd.
Well you suposed to need at leat 20 to lock up 40 ships. Goign base on hoshikos were 20 will demo bot 40. Removing 40 ships form combat of your enemy is extremly usefull. The effect compiounds over time. If you had 10 ships locking up 40 ship then they woudl be oped.
Then yeah Isee the problem and I do agree with a boost to their HP. How ever I will say the main cause is lums side banks. Allows them to defend them selve from your sub without having to change targets. Combien that with gardians that make it hard to get your subs intot he enemy fleet and it's impossible to lock them down.
IMO those side beams is the biggest reason of the imbalance in the LRFs. Assailants and Javelis can prety much matchy up evenly cost wise. But with lums they always come on top.
Exactly my point. Subs should get boosted. I would like to see a range AM cost and duration buff to Distortion Field. The boost does not need to be big though imo.
Dominas on the other hand have decent abilities, but the fact that they are chanelled AND directed abilites make them a pain to micro. Perseverance shouldn't need to be aimed. Also, Dominas like perservering each other even if damaged friendly capos are nearby. Like I said before, targeting AI for the Domina needs to be improved.
Thent hat means some of the problems are AI related one like LFs chassing units.
I formally protest this next patch. There needs to be more of a fix for the lf/lrm/carrier issue.
well i formally protest along with you DarkCloud. carriers need to be fixed!
Protest supported.
Well I intended to safely tuck away my 1.16 and 1.02 backups as a benchmark. I want to see what the new missile barrage graphic will look like but that's about it. Then I'm rolling back to the 1.16 and 1.02 version I think. I won't be buying any more micro expansions until balance is addressed. The speed reduction of carriers seems to be more of a personal choice of the devs rather than a response to the customers.
The Carrier CA speed reduction I can support. The speed reduction with the build penalty I can't.
I think the missle upgrade will probably be a particle upgrade so don't update instead down load the forge tools and then upgrade the particles only
Thanks for all the fixes, your continued support of your product post sale is deserved given how outstanding this game is. I look forward to the next modules.
Like most palyers I play SP only so most of these issues regarding carriers etc do not seem to apply to me, but some of those who play MP seem very concerned. It is those who play MP that produce most of the good strategy on the forum.
The only thing I would like to see fixed is Homing mines. I may be missing something obvious, would not be the first time, but homing mine sweeping is just driving your ships into these mine fields as the scout on auto mine detection appears to almost always comes within the homing mines detonation radius, unless for some reason the entire mine field goes inactive and then any ship can move over them. I can not tell if there is a reason for this or if it is a bug. I would think extending the range of the scout's mine sweeping ability or causing it to stop when it detects the homming mine and not treat it as a TEC or Vasari mine where it is very effective in staying outside the blast radius.
This is all I am looking for in this upgrade and after several threads on this the bug does not seem to be going away.
Thank you for the consideration.
thanks for the zoom issue and shield rendering fixes it will help a lot
Ebitad I can't tell you for sure all fo the reasons why the mines stop. But I belive one of them is if the advent player has mines in the gravwell of a planet he owns and he loses control of that planet the mines shut down. How ever I can not comfirm it to be 100% accurate since I still ahve to run proper test on the issue as ofve yet.
Trying combining flak and scouts.
Build 10 scouts and 10 flaks. Place them in their own fleet alone. And make 1 of the scouts fleet leader. Let scout auto clear fine feilds the flak should help out alot. How ever sometimes the flak don't fire at the incoming mines.
Take the same 19 LRF and 6 flak up against 7 carriers with 14 squads of bombers - let's see how that turns out eh?
If you're saying that building bombers is a better idea even if the enemy is LRM spamming (which FIGHTERS are made for along with hitting bombers and which bombers are NOT made for) then the conclusion is similiar - fighters are useless.
I want to be clear. IC I'm not a pusher. After reading up on some of the current forum treads. It seems to me peeps just want to remove every part of non ai tactical movement. To make things basicly like, build it, send it in, and watch it happen. Thats cool like ten times but wheres the replayability. It just isn't there. Imo you almost had the lrm/flak/carrier thing then.(1.01) Don't get me wrong their are still some issues with repulse and maybe a few other small issues, but on the whole it was alot closer than today.
KITING
Me and EadTaes set up a game one nite and did kited vs non kited on all types of vessels. Our conclusion was that if you countered any kited unit with the proper counter. The kiteing had little to no effect. In our senerios we used 10 lf vs 5 carriers. Kited carriers were ether forced from the battle or destroyed within 10 to 20 seconds of when they would have been destroyed just sitting there. So kiting fix is an imaginary fix. These test were preformed back in 1.0 and 1.01 ent.
So the main problem with kiting was/is peeps arn't making the counters to carriers. Countering em with lrm and Hc's. Did i mention the same 5 carriers killed out way larger porportions of lrm/hc before being nuetralized or forced from battle. Is this game headed in a direction of non thinking bs. Well imo the tactical battle is the funnest part of game. Slowly but o so slowly you guys are dismantling and removing tactal thought from it.
The only carrier nerf needed in the game is drone host needs to drop back to 2 SC squads. They already carry more per squad and generate AM faster than any other carrier crusier. It's OP.......Get off the Advent chic and grab some cohonnies and fix this s*** Craig.
Again just to be clear....I not a pusher. This is not about me continueing to buy your produces cause its not. I'll buy your products cause their fun and my family loves sins. My eight year old just picked it up a couple months ago. Thanks for the hard work and for the willingness to particpate in the community.
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