You can kill all reguluses by putting a few QoTs on your team. The bramble shield negates a snipe spam . Also just put hp items on and get heart of life. Kill regulus often, other than snipe before endgame he's pretty shitty.

This is like saying 5 spitting ubs or 5 fireballing tb's is OP (and they all do way more damage than snipe)

Snipe teams are easy to beat

1) Stack HP items (if you're an assassain, get enhancement attributes to further stack your health on top of the equipment bonuses)

2) Have a demigod that can shield or interrupt (QoT/Oak). You can see a snipe coming.

Now, fighting 4 regulus with mines - thats fucking annonying.

Another reason this is silly. Why should Regulus be penalized for using Cooldown reduction items? Because that's what this would be doing.

Hai other Regulus guy! Don't you snipe that target! My snipe has a 7 second cooldown so the debuff will be shorter! Ugh! I said I could get two snipes off in the amount of time it takes your debuff to go away! Now we lose!!! You noob! /ragequit.

I was going to short type that and use U's and Urs, but it hurt my head just thinking about it.

edit: If snipe does need any changes to it, I think it should be something really simple. A visual indicator on your character that shows you're  about to be sniped, Like a crosshair or something. This way you can shield, pot, pray, whatever, and not change the mechanics of the skill.

It seems like the people objecting to Snipe Teams are basically saying "Well, I havent ever encountered this, but IF it happened and IF I refused to notice and IF I refused to adapt to it, it might be kind of powerful".  Come on now...there are a LOT of very simple counters to this as people are pointing out.  It seems like the people who actually have encountered this and arent theorycrafting are all saying "Yeah, this is easy to beat".

The bottom line is that Snipe teams are only really going to be dangerous early on since the damage from Snipe doesnt scale that well.  And Reg is a very weak early game DG.  So that seems pretty balanced to me.  Its so easy to push early Regs around, so you really shouldnt be in that much danger as long as you realize what is happening and counter it (get HPs, bring potions).

Snipe is not a that great of a skill in general.  Yes, it has great range, but its a low DPS attack - it doesnt do that much more damage than an auto attack, is mana intensive, and takes forever to cast.  And its damage doesnt scale well at all to higher levels.  Nerfing a VERY mediocre skill doesnt make much sense to me.

Yes, and as I highlighted in another thread on a similar subject, the concern was regarding Pantheon where there are only 4 choices per team.

How about these:

1) Lane control. Do not upgrade armor on creeps and stand just behind the creep fights. Absorb the exp and scare off any oncoming Regs. If you stand behind the creeps, chances are the enemy creeps will kill yours and move on to you. Thus, no ally creeps moving towards the enemy base. If it is a sniping/mine regulus, do not upgrade priests unless you have to.

2) Flag lock.  Lock the gold and artifact flag. Without creep money, they will build slowly plus they will start having to buy flag locks. Money sink for them

3) Teleport/warpstone. Observe your teammates. The Regs will have to go offensive at some point. Kite them past a tower and a teammate warps in for a 2vs 1. Do not assume your teammate can take the reg (1-2 more snipers waiting). UBs can use warpstone to get behind a reg. This is very good if you are spec'd in diseased claws.

4) Cancel out of the teleport animation.  A lot of the time, it negates most of the travel damage if you can get some premature snipes.

5) For a UB does Acclimation also reduce multiple snipe damage?

Reg is one of the best harraser in the game for his range normal attack, he will help his minion earning xp and harass you, once you will go for him he will retreat in range of his towers, if you follow, you'll get below multiple snipe hp point and boom you are dead. If you retreat he will restart to harras you, lowering your hp, forcing you to retreat to cristal to avoid multiple snipe kill.

They have the range to kite and the ability to help eachother from distance, why you think they will let you take important flags?

 You will get kited, he has the range, plus he don't need a teammate to support him closely, he already have the support of all the other regs by snipes

Again fail, most of the damage will come from other dg that are already far from you, so if you teleport or not will affect only the reg near you. Plus they can snipe you from FOW so no trick possible.

ChromeWeasel explained it perfectly, even if you can negate their kill you will put a lot of effort and money in it while they will be capping, levelling and outspending you, eventually winning the game

Beat and Erebus may be more powerful one on one. The game changer is that Regulus can hold his own one on one and count on support from another Regulus controlling a different lane. One Regulus may temporarily give up a flag while hiding behind his tower. But he's still able to farm creeps and keep up with gold and experience. You can't push the Regulus out of the tower because you'll quickly get killed by the tower and multiple snipes. Meanwhile the Regulus in your lane peppers you with ranged attacks and mines and works your health down. If he can get an edge on you he can just go toe-to-toe and count on incoming Snipes from his teammates to get the kill.

The whole time you have to play extremely cautious because if you're ever at half health you can expect to get killed. So it's likely that you will end up running back to the crystal earlier and more often than Regulus, which gradually gives him more XP and gold through creep farming. Over time the team has a significant money and level advantage. At some point the game changes from back and forth flag holding to everyone running away the second you're attacked by Regulus, because they are all a few levels higher and they can all contribute a Snipe from anywhere on the map.

What all you "nerf snipe" shouters are basically saying that by stacking Regs a coordinated team can own a non-coordinated one. Big news, a coordinated team will always win over randoms. Also, you make it sound like reg can just do everything at once, kite you, snipe you, lay mines, everything of course immediately in the early game.

I don't see any problems for a coordinated team with the proper setup beating triple Reg, because there is no chance in hell you'll maintain early map or building control with that. A QoT supported Rook will tear your towers down like nothing, and won't even be bothered by one Reg pelting away with autoattack. Ah right, I forgot, Reg has of course taken Snipe, Mines, Maim and Sniper Scope and Angel all at once through some hidden option I haven't found yet. If they send more manpower to the lane all the better, not so easy to snipe from close range.

There are a multitude of options for not getting into snipe critical hp range, stack some hp items, buy some healthpots, buy monks, use support heroes ...

Lock your flags, teleport together and do a concentrated push on one lane. You are now united and either they stay away and snipe and loose the lane, or they defend the lane and won't be able to snipe much. Whatever, there are tons of options how you can exploit Regulus weaknesses.

A single Snipe/Autoattack focused Regulus already has to work really hard to survive the early and early mid game, I can't see this suddenly getting better when you replace the two other heroes by two more "Carries".

Sorry for multiple posts, buggy forums, big surprise there.

I'm not saying that a coordinated team beats an uncoordinated team. I'm saying that a coordinated Regulus team will beat any other kind of coordinated team. And I'm saying that it's a lot easier to coordinate an all Regulus team, because you can coordinate your attacks from seperate lanes across the map. While the other team needs to be in the same place at the same time to threaten an enemy, Regulus can threaten you from 90 yards away. This allows the multiple Regulus team to dominate multiple lanes and outlevel and outspend their opponents.

And how on earth is it hard for Regulus to survive in the early game? He can outrange his opponents with Snipe and Scope at lvl 1 and 2. And his mines allow him to dictate the field of battle. Regulus is very survivable early game because there are always towers to hide behind and your opponent can't risk being in tower range for more than one or two shots. Any time he chases Regulus you can back up a bit, and then get in a few shots when he has to retreat. And if ANY opponent ever gets low on health you chip in with a 100% safe Snipe for kill experience and gold. Honestly, if you really think that Regulus isn't very survivable early game you're a very inexperienced Regulus player who doesn't use the terrain properly.

One thing that interesting is that no one has really taken up the argument against simply reducing the range of Snipe. Right now it's a ridiculous 90 yards, compared to most attacks of 20 yards. I've suggested starting Snipe's range at 30 yards and increasing it to 50 yards at its highest level. Would that break the skill or make Regulus unplayable? As a Regulus player I can still see Snipe as being very useful with a 30-50 yard range. But it would be much more difficult to exploit in the way it is today.

Not sure how you get 750 damage, since on level 1 a snipe is around 500 on max range.

And though Regulus only starts with 1400 health, many other demigods start with around 2000. The Rook can quickly get up to over 3000 at level 3 and with favor items, I've seen an UB have over 4000 health at level 3.

So that would mean that you actually need 4 Regulus to down one DG in a coordinated attack.

And Regulus has to wait until level 4 to get his second level snipe!

Also, on maps like Cataract, snipe doesn't travel very far because the map is so large, so you'd be on defense all of the time.

I would wager that with 3 Rooks vs. 3 Regulus, the Rooks would win every time because or armor, health and structural transfer.

Hate idiots like you that don't read.

"Not sure how you get 750 damage, since on level 1 a snipe is around 500 on max range."

We're discussing 3 reg level 1 snipe is 250 damage, what's 3x 250, Well done!. If you mean 1 reg does 500 max damage at max range if your playing this tactic you want 1 volley as close as you can so hopefully your cd's off by the time thier leaving your max range for a second shot.

"And Regulus has to wait until level 4 to get his second level snipe!"

Assume the reg in game has 100% sniping range.
Level 1 (of the skill) 25% of his range now.
Level 2 50%
Level 3 75%
Level 4 100%

OF THE SKILL, again read first, of the skill does not mean his level it means the level of the skill, there are 5 levels in snipe including Deadeye. There are 3 levels in range going up to 6 yards, but it is reached at level 8 but has 3 levels of the skill....

"Also, on maps like Cataract, snipe doesn't travel very far because the map is so large, so you'd be on defense all of the time."

So the enemy would stay aat thier citedal doing nothing all match, gj there.

"So you are actually proposing that gimping in the middle of the map or at your base crystal doing nothing but doing 750 dmg snipes will actually get you kills against a coordinated team? Thats totally laughable, a single Sedna can outheal that, hell even Monks can almost outheal that. Get some HP items, don't let yourself get low, good to go."

You don't have to rub your crotch against the crystal you can move forwards and backwards, I think it was implemented about 20 years ago +  in games that moving forward and backwards was doable. 750 is the minimum without including range, not to mention tower damage, your favour item that does 250 damage, mob damage. Again please think before you post.

"Further, by totally giving up map control that way, not only do you loose important bonuses like 10% XP, you also massively fall behind in warscore. There is also gold mines you can't hold, additional portals that get taken over by the enemy ... a 1650 instant dmg every 15 secs. will get you nothing when Catapults assault your base and QoT/Rook rampage down your side lanes"

I mentioned 10% xp was a loss but it's not a big problem, A reg can run in with speed enhances on get flag chuck a few mines and return.

No you will get warscore with the favour item, please again read first.

If the enemy goes for your gold mine they will be taking damage from your towers, i mean when you play demigod do you just see a blank map, or do you actually pay attention to whats going on. If an enemy goes for your portal there's 3 of you that can go in and do some damage.

Standing at the back of the map won't lower your gold or income you will stil be able to afford as much gear as the enemy, this is the entire point of the argument, so if an enemy does come up the side your still as good as a normal  and can still fend him off.