He needed it. It's obvious a serious imbalance was in place if erebus was the only character to get a nerf in the new update.
Chaosnaska's whiny bitch ass just got owned.
Pantheon might be a bit more enjoyable now, less Erebus nubs.
Playing against people you don't know and go into not knowing what their hero or strategy is takes more skill then pre-setting the game before hand I would think where you know what your enemy has from the start. And no, not everyone on it for the most part "sucks".
Calling me a idiot for no reason at all is not respectful nor was it needed so cool off before your next post. And no teamwork? Yeah right I have played plenty of games that take teamwork.
Yet another baseless accusation. What is with you and your needless flaming?
yh but i think thwere shouldn't be crit items they just seem retarded too me even the 3k ones are op espically in earily battles where u have low health a 400 dmg is a big chunk out of it
And yet another instance where 'remove karma' is neccesary
yet another reply
You sound like you're assuming I implied that all other heroes are internally balanced too. They're not. Heal is another example.
Each hero should be able to be built in multiple ways - there should not be skills that are crutches and must be gotten each time, every time.
Look at Torchbearer, who I consider to be perfectly internally balanced. There are numerous builds and each skill is not gotten in every build (full ice, full fire, ice with Fireball, Fire with ice rain, Ice with Fire Nova, Half and Half, etc)
These sorts of comments are unhelpful and unecessary. If you cannot post with a shred of civility, then don't post at all.
I apologize. I just got sick of seeing him pop up in every thread bashing and thrashing at anyone for any opinion contrary to his.
who said the vag thing but i do agree there not needed
You can and should assume your team mates will do certain things. No hero can do everything simultaneously. You can't defend all flags at the same time. You can't be a massive disabler, dpser, support, etc all at the same time either.
If I see a rasta or an intel hero on my team in DoTA, he better be getting a sheepstick unless he's got some funky/special build - especially if he's the only intel guy.
If I have an Oak on my team and I know he got the shield skill and the mana to use it, I may bait the enemy to attack me then run back to Oak to get a shield and ambush them. Similarly if I'm getting attacked and a rook teammate is nearby who has boulder roll. How about if there's a nearby friendly regulus who I know has snipe? Will I chase a nearly dead hero or rely on his snipe? You bet your ass I'll rely on the snipe. There's no need to put myself at risk just to get a kill when a team mate can do it and we'll share gold anyways.
This game's all about teamwork. What do you do if your team isn't doing the things they should be doing? You tell them what what they should have done differently. Most people are cool with getting advice. Occasionally you meet someone who seems to take it like a personal insult, but that's a different topic.
If you're relying on yourself and play totally independantly, you'll get crushed by a team that works together - even if they're each less skilled than you. There's too many games I've played with the team consisting of all these solo prima donnas. You can tell they know how to play their hero, but they play with the attitude of "If we win this game, it's all because of my effort". Seeing your posts make me realize why they may think that way.
People who play pantheon 2v2 and complain about balance, make me laugh. Wait till organized competition is in, and we'll see whats "overpowered" and whats not.
It's possible for something to ruin PUG games and be reasonably fair in a clan match, and it would still need to be fixed. Pre-nerf Erebus definitely ruined PUG games, and I won't discuss either way if he would be fair in a premade of all good players, because I'm not sure.
All of this.
Because you want defense to be better than offense? Without crit items being as good as they are, sedna and QoT late game could be unstoppable.
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Lol I just spanked people with erebus I didnt even notice the nerf at all...
Uh, because it hasn't happened yet.
You must be playing one of those crazy "No-Healing" Sedna builds, how exciting!
You know, the character may have been designed with this ability integral to his gameplay. Try Sedna with no heals, are you gonna go minion build and expect to survive with a bunch of yeti's and some silences? Nope. I mean hell, Erebus is a Vampire, you'd think he'd be biting people, and it was probably the first idea of an ability for him once he was determined he was gonna be a vampire.
The ability isn't overpowered just because it's essential to playing successful. Is it more useful than his other abilities? Yes, but who cares? If I wanted someone with more options or abilities that are on the same level with other abilities in my repetiore, I'd play another character.
Again, you are assuming I think that other demigods are internally balanced. They are not. Sedna is a good example.
The example of the internally balanced demigod is Torchbearer. There's many different ways to build him and they are all effective in different ways. (Full Fire/Full Ice/Mostly Ice w/Fireball, Mostly Fire w/Ice Rain, Half and Half, etc)
Heroes that depend on a single ability are not balanced.
He better be getting a sheep stick. But you apparently would be surprised how often they do not. IMO That's the first item every INT hero should get because it gives you everything you need all in one. The disable is paramount to winning games where one hero is getting out of control. Most of the heroes that people see as "OP" can be killed in those 3 seconds that sheep lasts.
You can't take every flag on your own, but you can get so out of hand on your own that the enemy cant stop you anymore. In an ideal world you could rely on your team for help, but if you play like they're not going to do shit to help you you've already got a leg up when it turns out that they.....will do shit to help you. If they turn out to be good you've got a leg up on the other team.
Cast in point, yesterday (or the day before, think it was yesterday) I was playing Reg, We had an oak I believe and a rook. First thing rook asks is "So are you guys good?" I said there's no way anyone can honestly answer that. I believe it to be one of those things where if you say you're good you're going to get your ass handed to you, if you have some modesty you'll be fine. Rook then proceeds to say "I know I'm good" so I'm like well fuck, he's going to be useless and proceeded to start playing as if I'm going to have to pick up his slack.
They have an erebus (ZOMG SO SCARY!) he seems to want to kill me a lot, follows me around but never really scares me at all, just annoying. So i picked up a cloak of flames. He batswarms in, mark of the betrayer, he bites, takes damage, i cloak of flames and start attacking. He's surrounded by mines on both sides a milimeter from where he is so he can't leave he's just got to sit their and eat shit. Which he does, over and over and over and over. Because erebus sure can't be countered, even by the hero hes meant to eat alive.
Anyways, mr "I'm really good" rook proceeds to go 2-4. While not awful, its not good either. It's bad. He blames all his deaths on being on the phone. Which I believe to be a load of crap, but if you're going to be on the phone dont join a game, just saying. I proceed to go 15-3 and we win. Now I'm not stroking my peen on the score. I played as if we had no rook because I knew from the second he said he was good he was in fact going to be terrible and there was going to need to be slack picked up.
You can't trust your team mates unless you're in vent with them. You just cant, you might like to in a fluffy puppy world but it's just not a thing you can rely on with any sense of normalicy. When you get a good team, its great, when you don't someone needs to try and make up for it.
um sedna and qot are never unstopable all assasins have atleast 2 attack skills like pounce and bite bestrial wrath
ub u just use spit and beastrial and keep dmging even if she trys to heal shell be dead because u would have done too much dmg
tb use rain ice fb and anything other terchnics u use
qot isn't that powerfull and fireball useually takes out her shield in 1 shot late game rain of ice pretty much does it too
there is easy ways to get them just most people dont think about the how to kill them
I'll give you a hint.. the fact she even lets you get near her when you use bestial wrath is speaking very clearly the player's not very good. She has the same speed boost skills as you and bestial wrath takes about 1 second to activate. (the animation doesn't start till the cast is over.)
As for taking out Queen's shield with one spell that's a moot point. It'll recharge by the time your skill has as well, (it'll probably already be ready to cast in most cases) meaning you'll never do any damage to her.
Stop playing terrible people.
ididiot that would only count for the first skill most good tb players get atleast 3 abilites
If you really think that skill usage alone are enough to take down a defensive QoT or Sedna, I think we're done talking here, because you're simply talking about stuff you don't understand.
i use for tb when fighting a qot fireball taking down the first one firenova then rain off ice then frostnova then back to fireball again then a little dps dmg if she is still alive then ill do fire nova and maybe a fb if she is running
fb has 4 sec recast
ice has 10 i think
fire nova 10i think
frost nova i think is 15
Congratulations. You've done about 2.5 k damage in 10 seconds. I just regened 1000 with sedna and healed the remaining 1500 for about 600 mana. Or with QoT you broke my shield, which I quickly replaced. You have not yet broken the second one. If somehow there were two of you doing a total of 5k damage in 10 seconds, she could just eat one of her minions for an extra 2500 health, she's at full health and has expended about 1.5k mana only.
You've accomplished nothing.
TB in particular is BAD late game which you would need to have in order to have these skills anyway. He, just like Erebus, must take advantage of levels 4-12 when they are very powerful. And even at those levels they cannot deal with a defensive player such as Sedna or QoT. Hell, anyone with a HoL can just disengage from combat, heal fully, and come right back in, assuming they weren't dumb enough to get into a situation where they would definitely die to Erebus (or TB).
Also, your cooldown numbers are way off.
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