I've just quit from a game which had been in progress for about three minutes. Was it a rage quit? Maybe but I'm going to have a little rant.
Firstly an apology to the two folks who were in the team opposing me and my ally - I'm sorry for leaving you with an potentially imbalanced match, I hope it didn't ruin your enjoyment.
I was allied with someone who from the first second of the game issued orders to me "Go Right", "Follow me", "Kill creeps", "Come to me".
Now initially I said ok to the "Go right" command and the "Follow me" command but when I was issued with an order to "Come to me" I told my ally to GFY. My ally advised me that he / she is a "TOP RANKED PLAYER" and you know what that me me think? It made me think GOOD FOR YOU BUT MY $49.99 SPENT JUST AS EASILY AS YOURS! When you laid out your $49.99 or when you ascended the ranks toward being a Demigod you may have achieved a sense of selfimportance but you certainly did not acquire the right to direct how I spend my leisure time. I do not choose to spend my leisure time following your or anyones orders.
I am open to learning from more experienced and more skilled players than myself - I can learn a lot from a lot of players, I'm not hot shit, I'm not a "TOP RANKED PLAYER" but I am not open to being ordered around by some randomer on the internet.
I apologised to the opposing players in game and quit and went to look for a game where I could PLAY and ENJOY MYSELF.
I appreciate the opportunity to learn from others and I, not being a retard (my opinion), realise that the game can be much more enjoyable if there is an element of teamwork... However how about a little conversation, a little discussion, a little respect for others?
If my ally had said something along the lines of :-
"Hey I'm pretty good at this and I know some cool strategies for this map do you wanna work together?"
then I asbolutely without doubt would have replied along the lines of:-
"Sure thing - I'm no expert I could use the tips - thanks, tell me what I should do" and we would have been golden.
I realise that many of you who read these forums are keen competitive players and my little rant might not go down to well but remember there are many many more people who aren't "TOP RANKED PLAYERS" and there is no one who has the right to order others around.
This is supposed to be fun not a grind but I realise that online gaming can be SERIOUS BUSINESS! Chill a little, relax. I'm off to try to get into another game and maybe take a little of my own advice.
The guy was just trying to help. You want him to give you a midgame reacharound to make you feel comfy.
I disagree, the guy wasn't just trying to help, in my opinion he was focussed on winning above all else perhaps to protect his status as TOP RANKED PLAYER. Even if he were trying to help what would have led him to believe that I needed or wanted help? He didn't offer just ordered. The game had just started and we didn't get to midgame as per the first line of my OP.
How about offering the help and if it's not wanted shut the fuck up and play your own game?
This includes ragequitting just because a teammate didn't say "Please, if you would kind sir consider the advantages of changing course to right side of this battlefield, as I humblely attempt to say that I have knowledge of a rather good strategy and wish to share its fruits with a skilled, intelligent gentleman such as yourself".
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Does that sword of reason cut both ways?
Of course you are correct. I shoulda taken my own advice and played my own game.
I though the forum softwarehad eaten my reply so I posted this to see if I could post.
Editing using Chrome seems to be broken for me.
Who is this player? I'm not saying because that would not be fair.
I'm at fault too and I've outed myself that's my own decision.
Anyway the point of the discussion is really how do better players help noobs like me to become better players without making it feel like boot camp? I'm off back into the Pantheon, if I get ordered around this time I'll just smile to myself and play on.
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There's little reason to post this. There will always, always, be bossy people in team games no matter what, and making a post like this on the forum does little aside from helping you blow off a little steam and souring the mood on here.
I'm sorry that it happened to you, but please just move on. Most people in the community are not like this.
All I suppose I am saying is that you shouldn't take it as bossy because someone says do this or do that.
Most of the time it is a genuine effort to help the team. Not all the time. There are some amazingly annoying brats out there.
Just understand that this 'barking of orders' usually just isn't. The quickest way to get the point across is the best way, imo. Time is a most important resource.
I played a 2v2 the other night and the first thing the guy said was along the lines of 'go left'. Then, 'get thet flag over there asap'. I told him 'I have a pretty decent rank, good to know you are good'. After that, we mostly pinged our way to victory when we weren't congratulating one another (victory which didn't count... @#*(@&#*(@# stats).
I would've been aiming to do either anyway. At worst you can just ignore people if it bothers you that bad, but that's not what you're saying you did. Your nonsense about 'GFY, I quit' is what I am not so keen on.
Sure I can stfu and play my own game as you put it. Unfortunately your poor attitude affects my game. If you aren't playing to win then why play the more competitive game types instead of custom? Rank is basically the only indicator anyone has to know if someone is just blowing smoke. Saying your rank isn't some kind of flaunting or bragging it's just establishing a baseline for someone who otherwise has no idea if you've got the slightest clue.
It would sure be interesting to have seen what would've happened in the game you quit if you had dropped your pride down a notch or two and listened. Not only that game, but your future games... because you probably would've learned something.
lost a game yesterday due to the two chumps i was playing with didnt know how to flaglock or tele to flags , or well didnt listen to me .
i basically had the game in my hands just needed 30secs-1 min with us keeping both flags , but hey i can only use one flaglock at a time (cataract they had giants before us and we turned the game around ),
so sometimes people just need to listen
Sounds like a typical over competitive, over compensating douchebag. These people only get along with others like them. They don't mesh with sane, normal people. It's best to try to root them out in the chat and leave the game before it even starts.
It's just a game...
its only a game until someones rating gets hurt
Who cares about ratings? It's a game, it's for fun and enjoyment.
It's great to win, but, get a little perspective. Losing is not the end of the world and some people are far to serious. If you are not having fun, you are missing the point!
Most have other things which are more important anyway - it's called 'the real world'™
It's a competitive game and winning = fun for many people. The longer the game is out the more this will be true.
Here's the deal. Like it or not, this is a game which requires tight team work to beat others that are also utilizing it. This means someone will have to lead and order the heroes around such as when to defend, to chase, etc.
Someone has to do it. If you're not going to take charge, then don't complain when the other person does.
I hope this doesn't sound arrogant but I *was* a top ranked player in random 3v3 team in Warcraft 3. As you play tons of games with random people you will see how if everyone is just left to do their own thing you WILL LOSE.
If you don't want such a competitive atmosphere I can understand that. You can play single player, or make your own custom game.
Rage quitting is about the most pathetic thing you can do. It doesn't hurt the person you want to hurt, but everyone in the game.
This is all I say "OOM, Upgrades Citadel, Assist "name", going home, back, tower regen, KILL". If I dont say any of these. I would say "OMG you are tard, noob", "STOP FKing feeding them", "NO HEAL/ NO SHIELD"...But in a RTS, you have to be quick with communication, everything has to be clear and short. Following order isnt a bad thing, one person has to take charge.
To play devil's advocate, it still is a team game and your team mates probably aren't playing to lose. There's a lot of people who don't have a clue what to do or ferverently feed the other team. A common mistake is players having no map awareness. You could be getting chased around by another demigod and be saved if your ally was paying attention. Another example is players blowing all their mana killing creeps then having nothing left when they need to kill/save another Demigod.
That player may have been saying "go left" so that there wouldn't be a confusion of which side to pick. Honestly, if the player is indeed better than you, just listen to them. You might pick up some really good advice and L2P. If he's screaming at you, that's a different story.
Everyone's a noob at some point - including you. If someone's giving you good advice, best just swallow your pride and follow.
i COMPLETELY agree with the op. I actually shelved this game for a week or two just because it stopped being fun for a while. I am sorry i'm not the greatest team mate in the world but i certainly dont die the most... nor do i kill the most but if you are that serious about the effin game then maybe you should stick to organized matches with other people who arent playing the game for the sheer enjoyment of it.
I think the OP was wrong to leave the game and I dont think the other player was in any way out of line. Tho I admit his people skills could use some work..
I ran into these a lot in wow and my theory is that for the player type he represents, it is very VERY important to feel independent and heroic. It is the feeling what they are after when they play. If they are being told what to do, for them it is like trying to enjoy the game with someone kicking you in the nuts every few minutes - it's just not fun. They don't really care that they are dragging their team down, they don't want to learn, because it is not what they are after. Naturally this is usually aggrevated by the fact that most people just yell instead of giving advice which in turn makes them even less inclined to listen to anyone.
BTW the game has been out for a few weeks. There are no vets. There are only noobs (new to the game that dont want to learn) and newbies (new to the game that want to learn). Yeah that doesnt mean that there arent good players and bad players, just that you should really wait for at least a couple of months before starting the elitism...
I wouldn't mind what being told what to do btw. I'm crappy at the game. That never seems to happen tho. Yeah I sometimes get the "take it easy" comment when I'm being stupid and sometimes I get a "lets work as a team" from someone that doesnt explain what he means no matter how many times you ask, but virtually never anything more specific.
edit: Yelling at someone is diffrent btw. If someone is blunt ("BACK!", "get cash", "push right"), it is most likely because he doesnt have time to type. If someone yells ("YOU STUPID FUCKING DIMWIT STOP FEEDING!!!!!!1111", "DO AS I SAY!", "NO NEED TO HELP YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE"), they are just being assholes and at least I dont listen to them at all.
VoIP is a good idea for games like this.
i don't know why the game doesn't have a ping-the-map feature, either.
to the OP, everyone gets mad, but abandoning your team for your reasons is lame and socially retarded. reminds of people in DotA that would leave or feed in order to get back at an ally.
This. Please, this.
Normal (ie, the great majority) people play videogames for fun. If you're the kinda guy who uses leaderboards as an epeen and compensates for their shortcomings by yelling at strangers anonymously over the internet while playing a videogame - stick with your own kind. Everyone is happier that way.
Please stop with the "Someone has to take charge!" insanity. This is a videogame. You're not leading a goddamn Special Ops Unit. Relex and play the game. Jesus.
I laughed. Very hard.
I AM TOP RANKED PLAYER !
OBEY MY EVERY WORD!
DON'T QUESTION MY AUTHORITY AND GO RIGHT !!!
NO, LEFT !
NO RI-- FUCK, I FUCKING DIED BECAUSE OF YOU FUCKING FUCK OF A FUCKING FUCKER !!!!!!
....
I guess I side with the OP.
Lets say you did type stuff like "STOP FEEDING" or "Push the towers". If they are new, they don't enven know what "feeding" is. You can be a great player, and a total noob at communicating or leading too. It's "how" you say stuff. I usually only write "Store, OOM" most the time (sometimes you have to tell them what OOM means too). Today I played a game "named" for noobish players. I played with the two new guys, I saw one guy keep following the enemy into his towers. Now I could have typed something rude, or bossy (or quit), instead, I wrote "careful, he is luring you into his towers". That's all it took, after that, when then enemy guy retreated, my alli stopped following him into the towers. It's all how you word things sometimes. If I have written "SF Feeding them!" he would not have enen known what I meant, or quit.
i usually stats people when i custom game so i dont get big newbies and when i pantheon i pantheon with friends so
You sound like a noob.
desRow's posts are always a funny read.
True, but I don´t like the idea with selfproclaimed leaders...
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