A lot of people are complaining about the Cylons having an unfair advantage with the gammastars and stuff, and how they're really tough to beat and take forever to take down. While I would like to see the supply cost of the gammastars jump to 55 or 65, I'm actually quite pleased with the balance to the game. I've had no trouble (relatively) beating the cylons on large or small maps (point blank included!) at hard or unfair AI. Yes, it is a long process, and yes, I do have a hell of a time early game, but eventually the playing field levels out and an experienced player can definitely stomp the cylons, gammastar spam or not. The balance of the mod is perfect, I'd say, and doesn't need to be tweaked. The only thing i can say is the repair autocast, but that's been mentioned. It got quite tedious one game when I had to manually repair from 8 repair bays on the Galactica as it got pounded by eight gammastars and three basestars while i waited for reinforcements.

And I agree with Vulture, the am cost is fine. However, maybe if the AM cost was decreased along with the damage, so that the flak would fire near continuously and end up dealing the same amount of damage as the original flak did, just drawn out. It'd look cool, and a lot more like the series. Then again, it might cause some lag on computers. Not everything's perfect, I guess.

Except for this mod

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They were Battlestars from the Sins of Alethia mod. I was planning to add them in, but once they were in I realized how much bigger than everything else they are. The SoA versions of the Galactica, Mercury, Valkyrie, etc are slightly larger than the ones I'm usins, so the scale looks right in SoA, but here they were just too big to be used, so ther are no longer on the build list, but I forgot to take the files out.

Do you mean how the name on the side isn't "Valkyrie"? Keep in mind, I did not make the models or textures. The Valkyrie is kreeargh's work. Speaking of which, if you ever see him, be sure to thank him. Without his work, this mod wouldn't exist.

Based on the feedback, I'm thinking of adding the research requirement for Gamma's back in, so that Gamma-rushing isn't quite so easy. Also, I might change the Bezerk into something similar to the Gamma, instead of its current position as a flak frigate.

I still havent' figured out why somethings don't like to autocast, but yes, it is very, very annoying when you have to micro repair bays.

Flak for now is probably going to stay the same. Like Vulture said, strikecraft is the main weapon of the Cylons. Take it away, and they don't have much.

The ship model is not the same as the Valkyire/Yashuman model seen in the show - the model used is a fan based CGI model - the model you're using has a tail like thing on it (like the Olympic Carrier has).

And yes, thank you for doing all this - all of you

played against a pal last night it was his first time with the new mod teehee...we normally split the map do the reaserch build our fleets then meet for a monster fight he arrived with 17 battlestars and about 200 smaller ships of diff classes and laughed aloud at my 17 baseships as he tore into them i laughed aloud when from behind my 70 gammas arrived and opened his anus nice and wide gammas could prob do with taking up more supply points but other than that lovin it 

on another note today while playing i noticed 2 things firstly whats the crack with fleet supply reaserchi had 4 battlestars i had an income of 163 credits and around 20 or 30 for my crystal and metal at the end of the ship supply reaserch they had gone down to 23 for credits and 5 and 6 for the others but i had no new ships? so...increasing your supplys makes your ships cost more to keep eh hows that work?

the second was comp AI the comp player gave up today with 9 planets remaining and looking through the charts at the end the same comp had like 300k on each of its resources and higher incomes than me lol it should have been able to paste me but instead it gave up? lol i was really enjoying fighting on 2 fronts and rushing between defensive planets i had just beat a big fleet and was running to the otherside to fight off another attack lol it reminded me of a bloody child "you destroyed my fleet so im not playing anymore" lol sorry just moaning now

Well, I finally got the hang on the newest version of the Mod, Cylons are still way to overpowered in my opinion, a perfect example is what FairyLiquid mentioned in his post (70 Gammas ), the colonials need their own Gamma version or at least a frigate capable of holding its own against a gamma for a little while, but anyway, what i found to work againt the cylons  is to be   far more aggresive than them,  never let them rest or they will overwhelm you with Gammas,  I found that  the  pegasus and carrier capital ships  working has a team is a particularly effective way to counter the gammas, and i also wanted to ask what good does the utility cap ship restore shields ability do in this Mod,  maybe a  repair hull ability would work better and would make that cap a more atractive option.

You might be right, beating the cylons is certainly a chore, but its awfully fun too, yeha we might whine about the  gammas and how the cylons are so awful and all that, nevertheless what kyogre has managed to do is to make the AI a far more formidable oponent, in most other Mods you would need  2 unfair AI to make you really sweat, this Mod on the other hand grabs you by the troath  and doesnt let go,  it really gives you the sense of tension and aprehension of what the  other side will do that you normally can only have in multiplayer.

Oh my gods! I just got out of a 13 hour sins of the 13th tribe game. It took me 3 hours to get out of my home planet's gravity well against an unfair cylon opponent on point blank. Gamma after gamma after gamma after gamma! Kyogre, you really need to make it to where you have to research the gamma before building it. And I take back what I previously said about cutting the gamma health.

Just an idea, but when the Galactica jumped in the show, the hanger bays were retracted. Think you could do that with the mod? Also, either the sentrus or the warrior class battlestars should be replaced with the old school battlestars. I don't remember seeing those models ever.

I've been meaning to change it to hull repair, just haven't gotten around to it yet

Thanks for the info, I'll look into it. Do you know if it was the first level or second that made them stop?

I think that could be possible, but not worth it IMO. Sins doesn't allow animations like rotating turrets, spinning parts of ships, retractable hanger bays, etc, but there is a way around that using the particle system. However, it would require a new model+texture for the Galactica as well as a lot of other work.

I have planned from the beginning to include at some point at least the original Galactica, possibly the others. But I don't have models for them at this time. Waiting for Kreeargh to finish them.

But you're right, you would not have ever seen the Warrior or Sentrus in the show, they are fannon. If the mod were limited to only things in the show, the Colonials would have only 4 ships (Galactica, Mercury, Valkyrie, Berzerk) Not very fun

Somewhat intentional. There really isn't anything else the Cylons have for trade ships. But back in the miniseries they took over the Olympic Carrier so it alllmost makes sense

[quote]If the mod were limited to only things in the show, the Colonials would have only 4 ships (Galactica, Mercury, Valkyrie, Berzerk) Not very fun[/quote

Understandable. I'ts just that I've seen model kits of the bezerk and colonial defender and relized that I've never seen any battlestars other than Galactica, Pegasus, and Valkyrie. Not including the old school ones.

Oh, something I just thought of. Whenever the ships take heavy damage, they spew out fire and stuff. Is it possible that when the galactica gets damaged that badly, to make it look like the battle scared Galactica as show in it's last moments in the show?

This isn't an idea, but please call me crazy if i'm wrong. on some of the colonial ships, when they are destroyed it seems like I can see a body fly into space. It doesn't have any detail but it is in the shape of a human body.

I installed this mod and can enable it but when I click on apply changes it freezes and I have to close down sins from task manager. I have the correct version of entrenchment. I am running vista 64 bit. Can anyone help me?

im using sins ver 1.16 and entrenchment ver 1.02. iv tried loading up entrenchment from the icon, not loading up original sins then clicking on the entrenchment tab but this still doesn't work. if i put the mod in the 1.16 mod folder then try to activate it, it says "the application has requested runtime to terminate it in an unusual way". when I put it in the entrenchment mod folder i can enable it but when I click on apply changes it freezes and i have to close it through task manager. I get the checksum number, it is: 176909200

I dont update games. The only reason I updated sins was to get entrenchment working.