We read that at school, but I hardly remember anything about it.

Anyways the big drawback of such a world would be: Who determines who is to take which role? And that person would be stuck in that role for all his/her life without any option of doing what he/she would REALLY like to do.

Well. Yes. That is what I am saying. Either we breed them up or we gun them down. In the long run that is;)

you guys sound like you want to retry hitlers suprime race theory...

...Wow, if they don't deserve to live, they won't, nature has it's ways...

And as a consequence, further generations has to cope with 1962(Cuban Missiles) to 1989 (Berlin unwalled).

Zap to recent past, we're not done yet. Luckily, we all DO have the superbly defensive weapon of mass-espionage by web.

Just for clarification, that actually says the exact opposite - that poor families may well produce geniuses (You *can* make wine out of mud), but wealthy families are unlikely to produce idiots (You can't ruin the wine with mud).

Of course, that all depends on the question of what the average IQ is in wealthy families - last study I heard gave something like 120 points, or just over 1 standard deviation (15 point = one standard deviation IIRC), so the wine wasn't particularly *that* good a wine in the first place - 85% heritability would presumably indicate a higher average IQ, but a *much* lower standard deviation, so the Good Wine is all coming from the lower classes anyway.

Just sayin' - taking those stats at face value actually impies some different results than your comment might be taken to indicate. Everyone here is of course *coff* *coff* speaking from at least six or seven standards above the mean anyway, so this is all theoretical - {G}.

Jonnan

No, Xira probably does. I just asked if I was correct on my assumption what he implied.

Also I for one was just saying that I like the idea of such a breeding program in so far as it provides a means to get sex without dinner and flowers upfront.

You're supporting a public health service at last? Health care not 'production' either by your def-of-the-moment, so it's apparently just fine.

Roads, and Health Care are BOTH production!
If you dont agree try to remove them and see how production will work...
No roads = no trucks = no goods = economical death
no health care = people are limited to work only during thair most productive age
which is 18 to about 35, which cuts off production age by 20 years! (55)
Industry is the base of all production/economics and requiers a strong and healthy personal

while in countrys such as USA, there are more industrial workers then needed
which results in factorys, preffering to fire a sick or disable worker, and to get a new one
instead of rising average income so that they can afford health care.

same goes with chinese cars, they are cheap because they brake after 5 years
and they cheap so that after 5 years you could buy a new one

During the USSR all industrial outpot (cars, airplanes, military and so on) were spacialy designed
to be both cheap and combined with cheap replacment parts, cheap to fix
so if you buy a car, for 500$, you can have it for 30 years
countrys such as Ukraine and Russia still got plantry of the old USSR cars roaming on the roads.
note: USSR tank (T-something...) was cheap to produce in mass numbers, and very easy to fix and maintain.
same as the AK47 (kalashnikov), cheap, easy to produce, easy to maintain.
or the Souz space rocket, much cheaper then the american space shuttle

while there is no "better" sistem, the chinese strategy (cars) got advanteg on boosting money flow
while the old USSR sistem is sort of "buy for life" (cars) which saves the consumer a whole lot of money.
or the AK47 which dosnt require a spacial training as even a farmer can handle it.

the socialism sistem maybe wasnt rich, but they found a whole lot of great ways to give the best
for the lowest expances, today consumers tend to buy junk, we all know it
a good example is Microsofts Xbox360, people knew that it work for only like 2 months at best
and after that it dies without option to even fix it, yet they still bought it
i know many people who, today, got 2 Xbox 360s, one is dead and one that they use on daily basis.
Another excample is my LCD monitor, i bought it 1 and a half years ago and its almost dead now
with white lines comming and going, people all around advised me to throw it away and to get a new one
without considering the option that i cant afford one...

how many of you noticed the tendancy of our electronics to broke a weak after the geranty is expiered?
thats right, when you pay 1000$ for a plasma TV, with 3 years garanty, expect to buy a new one in about 3 years.
that is how the manufactorers keeping the money flowing in, and you as consumer keep giving it to them.
its amazing really, when i worked at HP computers, i had so many people calling because of problems
like 1 week after the geranty was expiered...

Cobra you really have over self esteem you know?
sure today Microsoft "fixed" it after 2 years of dropping sales due to technical issues
Microsoft released Xbox 360 way before it was tested, because they wanted to outrun PS3 and to be first.
As a pro gamer, i well aware of Xbox360 history so stop making everyone look stupid because meanwhile
you just make a lough out of yourself.

the Wii got a "spacial" market, and many gaming magazings place it on its own page (unlike Xbox Vs PS)

and "AMUSINGLY" enough you dont know WHO buy the Wii and WHY...

Anyways looks like you never actualy worked in sellings... while my entire job expiriece is with sellings
which are, entatraiment sellings, combines with the fact i am a gamer and know quiet a bit about hardware
i can tell you as fact, that Microsots Xbox360 is a junk, here are some facts:

Micorosft rushed to sell the Xbox before any tests which resulted in a whole lot of problems some which
yet to be fixed (i.e scratched disks)

Micorosoft was forced to lower thair price on the Xbox due to sells drop which resulted
on micorosft loosing money on every Xbox that is sold, hoping gaming sells will bring the proffits.

Micorosft used a trickery on costomers, selling the Xbox without HD (Arcade), and then selling a SPACIAL HD
with a price tag tripples the normal HD price (unlike PS3 that comes with a standart mobile HD)

Those are some cheap trickes that are used by a large corporation to insure proffits instead of quality
and the funnyst thing is that it was succesful, and a whole lot of americans bought Xbox
which is mainly due to the fact that looks like the citizens of one of the richest countrys prefare to pay less
instead of getting a quality goods. Amazingly it also shows on the Chinese cars industry with quiet good sales in USA
while companys like Ford are about to die due to high drop in sales after the chinese market hit USA

And in case you dont know, chinese cars got quiet a toy like reputation among proffesional people
due to the fact that they are small, cheap, not as fast or as powerfull, and with quiet a short life.

And one last FACT that looks like you missed, the USSR tank (T-34) is the best tank that was
ever produced: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-34

quote: "The T-34 was a Soviet medium tank produced from 1940 to 1958. It is widely regarded as having been the world's best tank when the Soviet Union became involved in World War II, and although its armour and armament were surpassed by later tanks of the era, it has been often credited as the war's most effective, efficient and influential design."

I can already predict how you will jump and shout how the American tanks can own it with 1 shot or something...
remember that we are talking about WW2... if USSR was still here today i bet they would of maintain the suprimacy

That is not my point.... there is always a race for better tanks, jets, and so on...
im talking about who GOT IT FIRST, and it was the sicialists!
first in space, first sattlite, fire space station, first man walk in space, longest duration in space
top tank (T34), top jet (mig), not sure but i think they was the first to use nuclear submarines as well...
top cars, not because they were fast, but because there were cheap, comfortble, and affordble for the communist citizens
and in case you dont remember, they earned much less then americans.
they also had radios and tvs during the same time as USA did, (and they could afford them...)
and they had the first computer... (again ,not 100% sure)

sure, USSR is gone, but the idea is still alive, sure many people ran away from USSR and were crying about how bad it was
for excample, jews, people in USSR didnt liked jews much, not all of them ofcourse (same as today all over the world)
but dose it mean it was bad for them all? NO!
my dad and my grandfather are jews, they both were socialists, both were proud of thair country.
then there are people who cry about USSR beein anti freedom, i never heard such thing from my dad
nor  from some older people i know who lived under USSR.
in fact all of them got quiet good memorys about it

few days ago ukraine and russia celebrated the WW2 victory day
both countrys were filled with red flags and veterans in uniforms
all spoke proudly of the victory and thair country
(please dont jump in shouting they are too scared to tell the truth...)

Many of the youth also supporting socialism/communism, i think its due the fact
of the hostile capitalist world, and the great storys of USSR they all hear from thair parents

buttom line is, that no matter what some of you say against socialism/communism
i probbly got the best sources of information in here as i live in a former USSR country
i also know quiet a bit of people, both old and young, who got great storys about USSR
i never, during my entire time in here, heard anyone, saying anything bad about USSR

the problem is, that i think western people such as americans just physicly dont have the mentality
to undarstand what its like, the capitlism is burried so deep in your minds and the minds of your parents
that no matter what ill say, you all will see socialism in a bad way.
this is what is going on in the same way with many of the people in here..
i assume that they got the mentality of socialists and communists, that is why they find it better

so overall, if you know how to be happy under capitalism, that is great
but it dosnt mean that socialism/communism is bad, its just that you dont know how to live under it
new plazma tv and BMW it is NOT happynes! that is what i think...
i think happyness is th fact that i live without fear of ending on the streets starving
when i see again and again, what sort of great things my country invent/do
happyness is when i know that if something will happen to me ill recive the top health treatment without
falling into dept that ill have to pay back for the rest of my life.
happyness is when i can learn for free, the things i love most
happyness is when ALL the things in the entire country are offered to me with price tag so that
i could afford them, just like EVERYONE ales.

I standed once at 139 (relative to the 100 break even hypothesis, btw) because of knowledge GAINED not skills or genetic makeup.

IQ is a measuring stick that scales by age & to be reasonably effective must consider situations beyond brain activities.

Anyone who claims otherwise, can afford a 99 or lower.