Okay now that you are reading here is how I got there. According to people that believe in the religion of evolution; over the course of billions of years animals evolved from single cell organisms to the animals we have today. The problem with this belief is that we have this thing called volcanism and plate tectonics. Every few hundred million years the surface of the earth is replaced. New York one hundred million years ago was on the equator, the planet suffered an ice age that lasted a few million years. Suddenly 65 million years ago there was a sudden explosion of life on this planet. All the species we see today started 65 million years ago. If this evolution thing takes billions of years to happen the planet has not seen billions of years of a stable climate in order for this evolution thing to work.
There have been at least three ages or three separate climate changes on this planet over the last four billion years.
The first age:
The planet was molten and had a average global temperature of five thousand degrees. That is half the temperature of the surface of the Sun. I think you will agree that in this age there would be little chance of any cellular or microbial life of import.
The second age:
The Earth cooled and water suddenly appeared on the planet. Here is where we have the chance for life. The issue is that the atmosphere, the air is made up mostly of Nitrogen, Sulfur dioxide, Carbon dioxide. The water had so much carbon in it that the water was mostly carbonic acid. The animals that showed up then thrived on sulfur and carbon releasing the oxygen. Volcanoes produce the sulfur dioxide and carbon dioxide in huge quantities. No species that is alive today could live in this environment. The problem with the animal life that lived in this age was themselves, they polluted the air so much that it became toxic to them killing them off. Well it killed most of all animal life, this life can be found at the bottom of the sea near volcanic vents where the conditions are like that near the surface when they were dominant. These animals are just like the ones we have near the surface but they adapted or “evolved” to the new environment. Crabs, lobsters, clams and other sea life thrive in this new toxic environment.
The third age:
The Earths orbit changed and the wobble of the Earth in conjunction with the volcanic actions caused an ice age that lasted at least two million years. This ice age covered the entire planet to a depth of two miles. This would prohibit most life we currently see on the Earth today. The tectonic plates are still moving around but only 65 to 200 million years ago did the ice melt. The sulfur dioxide and carbon dioxide that were the dominant gases in our atmosphere suddenly became trace elements and the released oxygen became the dominant gas. Allow me to be clearer, the atmosphere is roughly 80% nitrogen all other gases make up the other 20% animal life cause that 20% to change depending on the surface conditions. Trees and plants like coral feed on carbon dioxide. The animals and plants that feed on sulfur are mostly gone. The carbon is dwindling now so we are going to start losing trees and plants. The current life on this planet is running out of fuel i.e. carbon dioxide. When that happens we will run into the next age of the Earth. Since the plants feed on carbon dioxide and the animals produce carbon dioxide the plants are consuming more that animals can produce. Because of this the ratio of carbon and oxygen is changing and the atmosphere will become toxic to the plants that sustain us.
What is happening now on our planet is that our oceans are boiling away from the heat of the Sun, and volcanism. This is not new; scientists have proven this back in 1972 with Apollo 17, if memory serves, hydrogen and oxygen is leaving the planet by the metric ton per second. With out that element we will not have water. As the Sun expands the Earth will get hotter, and more and more gases in the atmosphere will escape as it did on the planets Venus and Mars.
With the different ages happening just under every one and a quarter billion years how did this evolution thing happen? Evolution could not happen in less than a billion years according to the people that believe in evolution. For evolution to happen we need a stable environment for billions of years. Science has proven that we have not billions of years of a stable environment. Now if evolutionists wish to claim that it takes millions of years, for all life to evolve into different species then they might have a chance to be correct but scientific evidence does not support this. Man did not become the dominant species till ten or fifteen thousand years ago along with all the most all the species we see today. This happened after the end of the last big ice age. So now we have to have all species evolve in less than a million years.
Think it through and you will see that evolution as stated by Charles Darwin and his supporters and the numbers don’t work.
Please explain.
Yeah, totally. Assuming that we had to gain in order to achieve life in the first place, if we had subsequently lost more than was gained, we would have negative life. I'm figuring you agree with the theory of evolution at this point, since you think at least something can be gained.
+1 species +1 species -1 species - 1 species - 1 species = -1 species. This is impossible.
Like I said, when it can be proven to me I'll believe it. I have an open mind, it's just not been proven. For example, they seem to think that every so often there's a cataclysmic event that causes all life on earth to refresh so to speak. However it's far enough ago that they can't really prove this. They seem to think the lack of bones in that level of strata is evidence, but then there have been bones found sometimes in caves or other pockets in the strata that tends to contradict their own theories. It's just as possible that there are no bones because they were small enough that they've degraded into nothing. I mean we have dinasaur bones, but dianosaurs were HUGE. It would take a lot longer for their bones to recycle than any other animal that we have proof existed.
I'm sorry, but until it can be proven that life can by itself evolve into a different species evolutionary theory is as much a belief as that Jesus was the messiah. They can prove that Jesus exists, as he is a well documented public figure, whether he was just a man or the son of God is people's beliefs. I'm willing to believe evolutionary theory if it can be proven, just like I believe in the big bang, I just think that God said bang is all.
Ever notice that D never answers a question only does drive by's?
Ever notice how some people draw disparaging conclusions from incomplete information? Plenty is available concerning my position on evolution in multiple other threads on this topic over the past 3 years, if not more. My head is already sore enough from banging it on that wall. Thanks, but if it isn't apparent to you why that's dumb, no amount of explaining (again) from me will be of help.
Well, gee that is so kind of you, I have not read your other posts, and the questions I asked were on this article not some other. If you do not wish to answer me say so, if you wish to dance around the issue or question that is your choice. Twice in this article I asked you to explain what you meant and twice you refused to do so. Only after the second time did I call you on it. I did so because I wanted your opinion and beliefs in order to better understand your position which is clear as mud.
Thank you.
Easy, Paladin. We agree on more than we disagree, by a long shot. Little thing called life gets in the way of satisfying the curiosity of others sometimes. When I have the time to rehash the subject, maybe I will. Maybe I won't. I'll still respect you, even if I disagree.
So you will still respect me in the morning? Thanks
Yup, I understand what you're saying about discussing evolution but at the same time there are new JUsers who might not be aware of your history and would gain something from your remarks.
So, rather than come in swinging and then "drive by", why don't you refer to the specific article or go to that article and cut and paste?
That's what I've done on a couple of occasions when it comes to answering the existance of God or on the topic of abortion. Been there said that...so I just cut and paste and ad lib through the rest.
It figures someone like you would mess this up by bringing logic, and reason into the discussion.
Daiwa, as you might have noticed this site isn't all that easy to try and search for information on. If you're willing to provide more information, go for it, I'm all ears. However just saying that our logic is stupid rather than explaining is insulting and definately isn't a way to get someone to want to listen to what you have to say. I give you and everyone else in this thread the respect of explaining my point of view calmly and rationally. I would appreciate the same respect in return.
mommie -
You're entitled to your opinion, as are we all, and no personal disrespect was intended. As I said to Paladin, maybe time will permit further discussion, maybe it won't. Maybe I'll be inclined to revisit this, maybe I won't. C'est la vie.
Have a on me.
Yes, thank you for saying so...
Learning results when others share their knowledge and information. Civil discussion or dialogue I think in some way reflects belief in equality. A disclination to discuss especially over differences implies a lack of respect for the other person an unwillingness to consider his viewpoint.
I'd buy that if 'learning' were really what you were interested in, Lula.
Science would appear to be fighting back.
ya, so much for the Evolutionists' claim that they have nothing to do with origins.
So, we're back to the monkey talk again?
Once more with feeling - the theory of evolution postulates nothing about the 'origins' of life, only about how it evolved. That's been pointed out to you ad nauseum, KFC. Nothing about this announcement changes that.
I understand but they are saying humans "evolved" from this "missing link" (another one). And that is the beginning of the humans as we know it.....let's see how this "missing link" pans out in the next few weeks. It should be interesting.
Please Enlighten us then...the theory of evolution postulates ....exactly how and what from did man "evolve"?
The whole thing is blasted all over the place for one reason.....to advertise an upcoming book and documentary. Follow the money trail...........
Good grief, Lula.
Damn, you're shrewd. Nothin' sneaks by you.
At least you're fostering your inner cynic.
Well consider this.....they found this fossil (in two parts) in Germany in 1983!!!
And we're just now hearing about it? Hmmmmm.
Big media blast a week before a book and a documentary comes out .
Seems suspect to me.
It's interesting watching how all these evolutionists are grabbing ahold of this though. They've been pretty dry for a while so I guess it makes sense. 47 million years ago tho? Not for a nanosecond do I buy that.
Longer than I would have expected.
And? I would say they took their time and investigated instead of just coming out and claiming without any basis.
Nothing wrong with a healthy dose of skepticism; however, there is a difference between it and a completely closed mind.
Of course not; even when there is mountains of evidence - just say nay.
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