Okay now that you are reading here is how I got there. According to people that believe in the religion of evolution; over the course of billions of years animals evolved from single cell organisms to the animals we have today. The problem with this belief is that we have this thing called volcanism and plate tectonics. Every few hundred million years the surface of the earth is replaced. New York one hundred million years ago was on the equator, the planet suffered an ice age that lasted a few million years. Suddenly 65 million years ago there was a sudden explosion of life on this planet. All the species we see today started 65 million years ago. If this evolution thing takes billions of years to happen the planet has not seen billions of years of a stable climate in order for this evolution thing to work.
There have been at least three ages or three separate climate changes on this planet over the last four billion years.
The first age:
The planet was molten and had a average global temperature of five thousand degrees. That is half the temperature of the surface of the Sun. I think you will agree that in this age there would be little chance of any cellular or microbial life of import.
The second age:
The Earth cooled and water suddenly appeared on the planet. Here is where we have the chance for life. The issue is that the atmosphere, the air is made up mostly of Nitrogen, Sulfur dioxide, Carbon dioxide. The water had so much carbon in it that the water was mostly carbonic acid. The animals that showed up then thrived on sulfur and carbon releasing the oxygen. Volcanoes produce the sulfur dioxide and carbon dioxide in huge quantities. No species that is alive today could live in this environment. The problem with the animal life that lived in this age was themselves, they polluted the air so much that it became toxic to them killing them off. Well it killed most of all animal life, this life can be found at the bottom of the sea near volcanic vents where the conditions are like that near the surface when they were dominant. These animals are just like the ones we have near the surface but they adapted or “evolved” to the new environment. Crabs, lobsters, clams and other sea life thrive in this new toxic environment.
The third age:
The Earths orbit changed and the wobble of the Earth in conjunction with the volcanic actions caused an ice age that lasted at least two million years. This ice age covered the entire planet to a depth of two miles. This would prohibit most life we currently see on the Earth today. The tectonic plates are still moving around but only 65 to 200 million years ago did the ice melt. The sulfur dioxide and carbon dioxide that were the dominant gases in our atmosphere suddenly became trace elements and the released oxygen became the dominant gas. Allow me to be clearer, the atmosphere is roughly 80% nitrogen all other gases make up the other 20% animal life cause that 20% to change depending on the surface conditions. Trees and plants like coral feed on carbon dioxide. The animals and plants that feed on sulfur are mostly gone. The carbon is dwindling now so we are going to start losing trees and plants. The current life on this planet is running out of fuel i.e. carbon dioxide. When that happens we will run into the next age of the Earth. Since the plants feed on carbon dioxide and the animals produce carbon dioxide the plants are consuming more that animals can produce. Because of this the ratio of carbon and oxygen is changing and the atmosphere will become toxic to the plants that sustain us.
What is happening now on our planet is that our oceans are boiling away from the heat of the Sun, and volcanism. This is not new; scientists have proven this back in 1972 with Apollo 17, if memory serves, hydrogen and oxygen is leaving the planet by the metric ton per second. With out that element we will not have water. As the Sun expands the Earth will get hotter, and more and more gases in the atmosphere will escape as it did on the planets Venus and Mars.
With the different ages happening just under every one and a quarter billion years how did this evolution thing happen? Evolution could not happen in less than a billion years according to the people that believe in evolution. For evolution to happen we need a stable environment for billions of years. Science has proven that we have not billions of years of a stable environment. Now if evolutionists wish to claim that it takes millions of years, for all life to evolve into different species then they might have a chance to be correct but scientific evidence does not support this. Man did not become the dominant species till ten or fifteen thousand years ago along with all the most all the species we see today. This happened after the end of the last big ice age. So now we have to have all species evolve in less than a million years.
Think it through and you will see that evolution as stated by Charles Darwin and his supporters and the numbers don’t work.
(Another hint: The Hebrew text of the Bible does not speak of a world-wide flood and neither did the people back then have any idea of what exactly the whole world was. The world-wide flood first appeared in scripture when the Latin word for "land" ("terra") changed its meaning to "world" and when the Germanic word "earth" changed its meaning from "land" to "the planet". But that is not exactly the oldest and most holy source.)
The Hebrew text of the Bible talks of the flood of Noah. Which in their perspective was the land, or world, everything they knew. It's called taking things in perspective. After all you have to remember this way before we even found out the world was round. Historical context is important to take into perspective. There a many interpretations of the Bible because it not only has the languages we speak change, but the use of words in those languages. If you want an example, just compare the Old King James version of the Bible with modern day speach.
Doist thou suggest there is a difference? I have not heard such nonsense in my three and fifty years!
By George, I think he's got it!
Or compare the distortion between the KJV with the Douay Rheims version in St. Matthew 6 verse 13, the last verse of OUr Lord's Prayer....
the DRV is; 13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen.
and the KJV is
13: And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Where did that extra verse come from? Our Lord did not say that!
Or take Genesis 3:15 where we read God's judgment against Lucifer for his part in Original Sin as well as God's prophecy concerning him...
DRV is "I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel"
And the KJV is "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise thy heel".
Another one that cracks me up is St.Luke 2:14,
DRV is "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth, peace to men of good will."
and the KJV is Glory to God in the highest, and on earth, peace, good will toward men."
Oh, God... Another pointless argument with the close-minded. You're pick.
And with this mindset you have placed yourself in a box...when 1) the plain words of Scripture indicate that it was a world-wide Flood and 2) the Flood killed all of sinful humanity except only those on the Ark.
Gen. 7:6-24
6 And he was six hundred years old, when the waters of the flood overflowed the earth. 7 And Noe went in and his sons, his wife and the wives of his sons with him into the ark, because of the waters of the flood. 8 And of beasts clean and unclean, and of fowls, and of every thing that moveth upon the earth, 9 Two and two went in to Noe into the ark, male and female, as the Lord had commanded Noe. 10 And after the seven days were passed, the waters of the flood overflowed the earth.
11 In the six hundredth year of the life of Noe, in the second month, in the seventeenth day of the month, all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the flood gates of heaven were opened: 12 And the rain fell upon the earth forty days and forty nights. 13 In the selfsame day Noe, and Sem, and Cham, and Japheth his sons: his wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, went into the ark: 14 They and every beast according to its kind, and all the cattle in their kind, and every thing that moveth upon the earth according to its kind, and every fowl according to its kind, all birds, and all that fly, 15 Went in to Noe into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein was the breath of life.
16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the Lord shut him in on the outside. 17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth, and the waters increased, and lifted up the ark on high from the earth. 18 For they overflowed exceedingly: and filled all on the face of the earth: and the ark was carried upon the waters. 19 And the waters prevailed beyond measure upon the earth: and all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered. 20 The water was fifteen cubits higher than the mountains which it covered.
21 And all flesh was destroyed that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beasts, and of all creeping things that creep upon the earth: and all men. 22 And all things wherein there is the breath of life on the earth, died. 23 And he destroyed all the substance that was upon the earth, from man even to beast, and the creeping things and fowls of the air: and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noe only remained, and they that were with him in the ark. 24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth a hundred and fifty days.
and 3) the fossil record itself indicates the flood covered the whole world as well.
The explanation is that the world before the Flood was very different from after the Flood. The continents were together and it was the devastating world-wide Flood, the subterranean volcanoes whose waters burst forth from the earth's crust, etc. that caused the so-called "ice Age" as well as the deep canyons of the world, the rock strata and layered fossils we find today, as well as the 46,000 mile long mountain range called the Mid-Oceanic Ridge that wraps around the earth of which most lies on the ocean floor, that we have the jig-saw fit of the continents.
But you can easily see while the Holy Bible is not a science or history book, it does a good job of refuting "amoeba to man" evolution theory, i.e Darwinism, as well as stellar or cosmic evolution theory.
Does nothing of the sort, Lula.
Yes, it is a history book.
no, not quite. You're showing your ignorance......no disrespect really.
The bible is history, poetry, prophecy, law, manual for everyday living and so much more.
History is just a small part of what the bible truly is.
perhaps I should have said, The Holy Bible is not a history book per se....
I was just trying to make a distinction...not very well done I guess....my bad.
Sorry I still miss your point.
Okay now I get it. I disagree. The bible was never designed to be a book of science. Darwin's book was and it was wrong. The people that try to force this belief on us are wrong for doing so while at the same time they scream that we should not push religion on them. No one is pushing religion on them or anyone else. I have my beliefs you have your beliefs, I explain mine you explian yours and we part friends. But this is not allowed in today's world we must be crushed before they will admit they were wrong.
Who is forcing the theory of evolution on anyone? No one is required to believe it, for Christ's sake (pun intended). It is a scientific theory postulated to explain observed phenomena, nothing more, nothing less. Take it or leave it. For your argument to make any sense whatsoever, we would have to ban education entirely. We wouldn't want those unproven notions of time, gravity, engineering, welding and cake recipes 'forced' upon us by the same people who 'scream that we should not push religion on them.'
Given what of your blogs I've had the pleasure to read (and generally concur with), this is surprisingly blindered of you.
Ignorance is trying to live by the Old Testament when you're a Christian, not a Jew. Ignorance is not realizing this:
"The myth has to deal with the cosmology of today, and it's no good when it's based on a cosmology that's out of date. That's one of our problems. I don't see any conflict between religion and science. Religion has to accept the science of the day and penetrate it to the mystery. The conflict is between the science of 2,000 B.C. and the science of 2,000 A.D., and this is one of the problems with our tradition: where our inherited mythology, let's say our Judeo-Christian tradition relates to the Near East in the first millenium B.C. and it has nothing to do with life here and everything has to be explained. A mythological image that has to be explained to the brain is not working. When you move through a culture that is so alien to your own that the images don't click off any response, any recognition, then you're out of sync." - Joseph Campell
The prosecution rests.
Perhaps the Bible was a compiliation of opinions, and then believed facts... say like a book with The Best of, from the New York Times...
What if using the Bible as the foundation to your religion is like someone thousands of years from now taking our newspapers, and basing a religion off of those...
As for evolution... isn't the fetus growing in the womb an example of evolution? Cells, in a condusive environment, multiply, and evolve, and grow into a baby.
Dude! Seriously, show the lady some respect you immature excuse for a person. God forbid you enage in civilized debate like an intelligent human being. So, why don't you go and cool off, grow up, and then come back and talk.
~Alderic
Hmm, it seems he edited his post. I guess I'll take it back then.
but it wasn't opinion because if it were, we'd be reading a very different book.
What is cool is the bible is just as relevant today as it was 1,000 years ago. It's ageless and timeless. "The world will pass away but my word will never pass away" so says God. You're comparing something non-inspired (man's opinion) vs something that is inspired (the word of God) and there is no comparison.
I don't live by the Old Testament. Are you assuming I do?
I live by the New Testament but that doesn't mean that the Old Testament holds no relevance. The NT is the OT revealed to the Christian.
You say this because you believe the Bible 100% with all of your heart.
You stated above: "The bible is history, poetry, prophecy, law, manual for everyday living and so much more." It is this to you because you have chosen that... but it doesn't disprove my thought.
I could take a newspaper, and make it important to me, and believe with all my heart that it is what I say it is... and build my life, and morals on it, but it doesn't change that it was a newspaper.
As for God-Inspired... this is your personal belief, and to you, a fact, however it may not be so to me. What is there to stop me from believing that the New York Times isn't God-inspired?
There's...
Uhhhh, nevermind, no comment.
Yes but I don't say that lightly. It's only after being in it for as long as I have that I can say this with absolute surety. I've read it cover to cover many times as well as daily. I absolutely believe the bible is the revealed word of God to mankind and it has lasted and been tested thru time. I'm also an avid newspaper reader since I was 13 years old, and can see quite clearly there is no comparison.
Yes, you can take anything and believe it with all your heart. People do it everyday. Many people also find out that they've been putting their faith into something they shouldn't have and thus wasted much time in doing so.
Yes, agree.
The answer to your question is error. The NYT is not infallible. The bible full of historical records, names, places and dates, the science that is in there, and the archaelogical evidences discovered all prove the bible thus far has been correct with no error discovered as of yet.
That doesn't prove the bible is the word of God but we would expect that the Word of God would be infallible if it were to be written by God.
As is your right, but it does not change that the Bible may be something more than holy scriptures. It has accounts of the political events of the time, it has opinions from the authors, it is from the side of the people of God, (bias), it has laws of those days, and conveys the social expectations of that culture for that time period. Yes, it has historical records, names, places, dates, but so does the New York Times.
Let me put it this way... assuming your beliefs are true, the Bible being equated to a modern newspaper doesn't detract from it, it simply gives a different view on it.
This is your belief, again a fact TO YOU, not to everyone, as evidenced by the daily debates on JU, and all over the world.
Haha, for the sake of argument.
Not according to Paul Krugman.
If you wish to get good grades in school you have to act as if you believe it. If you disagree you will be punished with bad grades even if you say all the right things on your test papers. I am proof of that, I went from an A in biology to a C just because I argued with the professor. That is forcing religion on people. NYU 1975 Ran into the same crap at Haveford. Don't get me wrong I truly enjoy science, my hobies are astronomy and astrophysics. I even like to do a little light study the KT boundry which sparked my interest in evolution when I was reading a paper the other day on plate tectonics and realized all the information proving evolution to be wrong has been sitting around for 50 years.
The problem with this is the science of the day keeps changing to fit the new evidence. When the bible said the world was round the science of the day said it was flat and all the stars and planets revolved around the Earth. Not in the bible but the Catholic church went with the science of the day and the science became religious dogma.
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