You can tell me that its too early to talk balance, that "the only OP demigod is always the one that kills you", there is no such thing as OP but that's BS.
Erebus is OP, and you can tell me I'm wrong but I guarantee you are going to see him get a nerf sooner or later.
Mist never does much damage... Even the top base damage before armor mitigation is 125 damage. I've never seen it do more than 120 damage/sec to me, and it uses tons of mana. Good erebus players only use mist when they're trying to avoid getting 1 shot or to clear off negative effects like UB DOTs.
I think nerfing the bite would make erebus not worth playing. He would't be able to stand toe to toe against other demigods without it due to his lack of hitpoints. You can only use it maybe 3 times in a fight without running out of mana. The bite is neccessary to give him an active tanking pool of hit points, which act as a buffer zone vs players who have 8000+ while erebus has maybe around 5500.
Lol, just dont let him do that. Why would you stay in middle of the mist? The timer with the bat is long enought for prevent him to use it fast enought for escape (at begining) an if he have enought mana for long stay as mist, its because the game is advanced and you should have enought hp/armor for stand agaisnt the mist and basic attack. You should have too some DG in your team that can stun/silence/freeze for prevent erebus to escape/mist. Man, until you get a hudge hp regen or armor, and it's not after a long moment, erebus can't stand vs a UB/Oak in close combat...
You always think the game as 1vs1 but it's never the case... Have a queen for bubble, a oak for invul or sedna for heal and rebus will have some troobles... Like all others DG, erebus is Op when you have goo teammate and a well balanced selection of DG. Sedna/queen can make invulnerable any DG with their spells.
When I play Erebus, It's really rare I can solo another DG (or the weaker tank like a stupid Reg that attack me alone in close range) or I need to wait the end of a game and the goods items. Just don't do scuide attacks... (fellow erebus alone without support and not full HP/mana is a free kill for erebus, sure you will never get back).
That has been the problem against the forums. Demigod was never balanced for 1v1 matchups and doesn't need to be. It is a team game.
^truth, just like the qot argument...
[quote who="Xinoxlx" reply="14" id="2169000"]Hey dipshit, notice the italics indicating quote?And another quote from you:"Erebus OP"MONGand the thread title is called "If one Demigod were OP..." Amazing the difference of the thread if the title was "which demigod is OP?"Second, doesn't matter bout italics I could be talking out of my ass and you wouldn't know. Come up with your own arguements or don't try to argue at all. (They weren't your arguements as you had to go to another forum, read my post then copy /paste it into this thread.)Finally I know the quote system is hard to figure it out, but come on now it's not any harder to put [quote]
Wow you're a bit too sensitive to be posting on the Internet. You may want to try and write a book so you can copyright it. Just chill, you should be happy someone agreed with your points. Besides if what you say is true...it's not exactly rocket science here...anyone who played this came long enough and cared to figure it out would come to the same conclusion.
First off, Chris you're whining and complaining but not presenting any facts.
Just listing his abilities is not a valid argument.
How many test cases have you done? Specific exampes of trying to beat Erebus? Which Demigods are you testing against him? What items are you taking? What items is Erebus taking?
My guess is that you've been fighting Erebus with the Rook (due to your Hammer Slam comment). IMO, Rook is NOT a demigod killer. He's a seige demigod and is designed to take out towers, not other demigod (and not Erebus). Erebus on the other hand is designed to push/tank but he can't take out towers very well (he's slow at it and can really only do it well late game). But he's great at helping creeps or bring an army of minions in and keeping the pressure on (hence the push comment).
-Jara
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Jaradaker you get my Karma for having the best written post in the thread. Very good.
The best written post which can't tell the difference between "steal health" and "stealth heal"?
"How many test cases have you done? Specific exampes of trying to beat Erebus? Which Demigods are you testing against him? What items are you taking? What items is Erebus taking?"
I'm not trying to prove quatum mechanics, I'm telling you Erebus is OP, and the future will bear out this conclusion. I'm not going to waste my time writing a thesis on here.
When you say steal health... are you talking about bite? Or are you talking about the ability which grants him health when he attacks. The latter is called vampiric aura and he can't get that until lvl 15.
In my experience, I don't think that any one demigod is overpowered at the moment. I still think it's a little too early to talk about that, I think the discussion should more be on strartegy and on fixing bugs.
I've been called overpowered, cheap for killing players of a lower level, a chump for teleporting away when I almost died, and much more. I think it is just frustration a player is experiencing when they are facing someone more skilled than them, and Lord E has some good tricks in his bag if you are able to play him right, but then again, so does everyone.
A truth people must remember about this game is that if you play a good early game, it sets up for a great late game. The only time I ever feel overpowered is late game when I've almost like 50,000 gold total and have the all of the below items:
Plenor Battlecrown (+1575 Mana, +70% Mana Per Second)
Vlemish Facegaurd (+1050 Mana, +11 Mana Per Second, +4 Mana Per Second Aura)
Cloak of Flames (+1050 Mana+, 20 Mana Per Second, +30% Attack Speed)
Gives basically Unlimited Mana Pool at this point, achievable with any character
Mageslayer (+45 Weapon Damage, +25% Attack Speed, +12% Life Steal)
Orb of Vieled Storms (+25 Health Per Second,+25% Attack Speed)
Ashkandor (+12% Life Steal, +120 Weapon Damage, +25% Attack Speed, +15 Minion Damage, +15% Minion Attack Speed, 10% chance deal a critical strike for 4x damage.
So, at this point, combined with Vampiric Aura, I've got a ton of lifesteal, + damage, super fast attack speed, and basically unlimited mana, but it cost me like 50,000 gold to get it, so I outplayed you in the first place to get there. LOL last night I got up to 1,000 DPS and 184 HP lifesteal.
The thing you should realize is this build, minus vampiric aura, is achievable by anyone. I've tried it with other characters and had similar overpoweredness. People need to realize that items and strategy comes into this game, not just skills. What if one team is controlling all the flags? Or had better citadel upgrades, or better items? It's like you'd have to do 1v1 battles with no reinforcements, towers, or items to be able to call someone OP legitimately.
I've definitely never witnessed Erebrus being OP'd. Honestly I think the strongest is TB, he dominates creeps while not having to stand there and fight them, Firecircle. He dominates Demi's, fireball and firenova. He moves decently fast, and all of this is ranged. I'm 5-0 and I've played both with and against Erebrus and neither the ones on my team or the ones on the opposing could stand up to me. Just finished a match against QoT and that shield is ridiculous but its not OP'd because she really isn't that good other then it.
My experience is that pretty much every warlord is completely even, what decides the game is what you spend your money on. when my lvl 20 TB has 9000+HP he is pretty much impossible to kill no matter what you do.
I'm really tired of seeing posts about how things are OP'd Each character has a different strength, and yes some of those strengths don't match up with each type of game, Rook sucks in the Slayer format, but he is TOPS in the Fortress and he's decent in flag capture due to the towers he can use for defense. Reg is another common OP complaing I've seen, again good against Demi's in early game, not really that good after that. I've never used Erebrus so no idea what he is good for, considering I haven't been beat by one yet. TB is the king though, so bring on all comers!
You almost never get those artifacts in a 2v2/3v3 game. At least not all 3 of them, perhaps one. But ashkandor is 18,000 gold by itself. Mageslayer is 8000gold. I'm not sure how much orb of vielded storms is but i'm sure its up there in that range.
I thought TB's fireball does 400 now? Anywho, it looks like you have a case of the Mondays, teehee, bet you can't guess which crappy movie I stole that from Ok, more onto the topic, I don't think erebus is OP, I just think he's rock and you've been playing scissors everytime you see him, try playing paper next time and see what happens. Not as simple as that I know, but change up your gameplay when you come up against the big bad lord. Instead of direct assault hit him then run or some such. Maybe gank and kill him early on, I don't know, but it looks like you've been looking at it from the wrong perspective.
p.s. No I don't play as Erebus, but I do run away every time I see him
If I may put in my 2¢ ... I modestly say that because I enjoy playing the game to relax from very intellectual university stuff. I consequently don't have the time & energy to analyze DG data like you experts do (no sarcasm intended).
My very subjective impression is that the Vampire Lord, if competently played, is very deadly against some enemy DGs. Is he OP ? I don't have the analytical expertise to answer that.
In MP custom games, I always play the icy TB, and not being often in the front-line of a DG v DG mélée (since the TB is too fragile to indulge into that), I rarely die in a game.
The DG who succeeds in killing me the most is the Vampire Lord, for reasons that you are aware of.
Is he OP because of that ? I don't think so. He has this surprising Teleport+Bite capability, and it can easily be put to efficient use against a vulnerable TB.
I'm trying to adapt. When I see a Vampire Lord in a game, I evaluate with what skill the adversary is manipulating him. If I realize that the gamer is a competent Vampire Overlord, I become very wary, and I tend to go to regions of the map where he doesn't haunt, unless I must give ice-spell support to a freindly, front-line DG who needs help. I then get sometimes caught by Erebus : he teleports over the head of my ally and dishes out a lot of hurt directly from next to me.
I see the Vampire Lord as a challenge rather than as an OP adversary. How can I adapt, as a TB ?
I've watched macho Regulus players stubbornly try to fight it out with Vampire Lords, as if the Regulus was a mélée street-fighter. No wonder they will then find Erebus OP !
/2¢.
P.S. > I tend to run away too ...
Jaradakar & Sorceresss +1
Erebus is challenging because he have lot of 'cool' abilities like teleport, mist, stun... but It's still a support character, good in finishing runners with teleport+bite or attack other support dg in back line. And you need to remember that at first level... he's pretty useless as a killer. the bite + mist can't compete vs fire ring and fire ball of a TB as a killer. At the begining of a match I always team up with another DG, and it's only when my team is uberlevel/gold over the other team that erebus can be a killer.
Each demigod and build have a specific orientation and all arent killing other demigod.
I don't know if I'd go as far as to say Erebus is a "support" character. He's plenty capable of holding his own. However, his weakness deffinately is TB. There's not much he can do against a fire TB standing in the middle of his fire ring.
QFT.
Well, stun + slow + mist... make some nice support skills ^^with a good killed DG like reg or ub, you leave no chance to the other team ^^
That's interesting. As a icy TB I see myself as weak in a toe-to-toe confrontation with a skillful Erebus : I would not have considered the reverse. But your talking about the fiery TB, which I have never tried. (Not saying that you're wrong.)
@ Takkik > Thanxxx for the +1 : haven't had one of those for many months.
(Shooting cheap-shot barbs towards did not attract a lot of positive sympathy from his fanBoys. I sometimes can't resist expressing some easy sarcasm.)
Personally I love playing Erebus now (after release). I am currently at over 19-20 wins and 0 losses. It says I have one loss but that was due to a bug from crashing in the lobby before a game even started .
Do I think he is OP? Yes. Others may disagree, but I have demolished with him in most games. Are there other OP demigods? Hell yes. Erebus just fits my playstyle. I have friends who are extremely good with Sedna, my sedna is average at best... Many people don't like QoT for example, but in the right hands she is very very strong.
I guess my point is that it is hard to tell how OP a demigod is, since it very much depends on the quality of the opponents. I have had extremely fun/close games against other skilled players while I was Erebus. Afterwards, I asked them if they thought he was OP and their response was "Hes good, not OP though...". Shrug.
-Drexion/Ragarth
Well, erebus' weakness if you can call it that is that he has to get close to do damage, that and he ha no real effective AoE. Fire TB can cast the fire ring and stand in the middle of it and cast at erebus from far away, therefore erebus has to take damage to attack fire TB or retreat to avoid being pelted with fireballs. On top of that, fire tb has huge burst damage, especially with that ground pound attack he does (not sure what its called). If erebus tries to run from the encounter fire TB can cast a fireball to finish him off.
As has been pointed out many times throughout the thread, Erebus has low HP. To counter this he has good health regen, and bite, however he can't take a large quantity of burst damage. I played against a fire TB once, and there was really nothing I could do against him except run. As a result, fire TB creeped the entire game and leveled much faster than I did. Towards the end of the game, fire TB had something like 8000 health and could take out 60% of my health with one of his ground pound attacks.
My conclusion was fire tb + lots 'o hitpoints was very strong against erebus.
Erhm ok, please read first skill descriptions the AOE stun on highest rank increase cooldowns for enemy dg.
Mist form with its redicolous low cd avoids every gank, dot, debuff etc....
When you have enough Manareg and basehp. You can harass like hell with batswarm bite and mist and his aoe stun.
I manged to get enough manareg and put out descent dmg.
And with a good reg you can always wait in mist till your batswarm is ready.
I think this manaburn are maybe a good counter.
But these points you already mentioned.
but with all that mana regen, you'll do crap for damage and you'll be slow. You'll be capable of just that "harrassing" attacks. Erebus needs alot of +dmg items to do good damage.
sedna/queen can be really annoying too. With erebus when you can't finish someone fast it's bad for you. Until you get full set of item with uber mana/hp regen, you can't really tank. A silence or a well placed freeze skill from a ice TB can be eadly too. Without mana/skill usables, Erebus can do nothing. An ice TB can be annoying too with the freeze and skill block, but he need a dps player with him for the kill.
Since I play Erebus I 've meet near only 'noobish' adversaries (with lot of ragequit), when you begin to play as a team with people you know it's harder to get good opponents , but I found that the key of winning is really a good symbiose in using the skill and the DGs in the way they master. Stun, silence, freezes, shields... when well used are deadly. You don't win by using some OP DG with uber skills, there is no autowin skills. Just good team work. When you see in a 3vs3 your ennemies take 3 regulus... no comments
The rook is a good defender with the towers and can hold a flag alone. And what? it's not a good dg because he can't kill other dg? Play now with 2 friends, Erebus + UB + Rook and the rook play in def/tower destroyer, he get low kill but hell, he's really usefull and help us win! Don't just look at your kills like some fps players...
Take Erebus will not make you a winner. None of the dg will make you invulnerable. Just find some good teammate and learn to play with them, with a good combinaison of dg. Ask/find witch items will be the more usefull with your dg/build considering wich opponents you're fighting.
EDIT:
Yeah, a player that can't be killed is always annoying, but if he can't kill anyone, it's more useless than anything else. Now if it's well played with others teammate, the mist can be deadly. But alone...
Your right, he can reduce cool downs by 100% for 7 sec, but you're talking about an ability he can't get till lvl15, on top of having to put in 5 points into mass charm. All for a 3 second stun.
Really at level 15 we're nearing game completion and ALL demigods have good powers that are unlocked.
If Erebus is doing that, he's obviously going for a demigod killer build.
He'll have less DPS (imo minion build does the most damage and gives you the flexability of being able to be in mulitiple locations). That build (Demigod killer) sacrifices quite a bit imo.
Mana burn is a good counter, Warlords Punisher (2250) gives you a passive +30 weapon damage and can steal 400 mana (while doing 300 damage).
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