Two giants of Sci-fi, Halo and Star Wars, who would win?
Now, first here are some ground rules for this: No massive time line cross over that so many people seem to like. None of the everyone on Star Wars gangs up on Halo, not because it is just unfair, but also why would the rebels join up with the Empire? And everthing must be backed up by facts from both sides. I suggest anyone that posts here should read up on both sides.
Let the battle begin!
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Proton_torpedo
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ion_cannons
when i looked at ion cannons, i just realized how powerful they can be, some are powerful enough to stop a ship in its tracks.
Ya but you have to remember that the flood ARE NOT a sentinent species. Though i agree that the Forerunner VS Empire would be a kick ass battle, and would take decades and maybe even a centurie, but thats pushing it. In this case i would have to say that the flood would most likly loose, because of the simple fact: they don't endure. They may be timeless, ageless if you will, but they are so easy to kill that one shot of a standard issue Laser Rifle would take them out. As far as infection, I can see how they might make it for a time... 10-15 years, but not forever. The floods only reall advantage is Gravemind. He is INSAINLY powerfull and aside from that he is the destroyer of the Forerunners! This is an intresting topic.
As far as Empire VS Covenant, I think they would just destroy each other untill there is nothing left. Where the Empire is a more offensive army, the Covenant rely more on Gurrila tactics and Defenceive tactics. Rebles VS Covenant, I would have to say Covenant. Even know the Rebles have the Jedi on there side, the lightsaber is matched by the energy sword, and the force matched by the Covenants abillity to go Invis. Though force has a conciderable amount of helpfulness.
Now heres a thinker:
Master Cheif VS Jedi. I would have a tough time deciding on this one =/ The Master Cheif is skilled and thinks MUCH more logically than any Jedi, but the Jedi have the force, where the Master Cheif has but pure skill. But you have to remember what Cortana said in the intro of Halo 3. The Master Cheif was just like all the other spartans, exept one thing: Luck.
Thank you DarthCaedusMorgan, I only have the New Essential Guide to Vehicles & Vessels.
I must say that the only way the Scarab would probably win would to overwhelm it with numbers or just drop from orbit on top of it.
Just another good reason to have a post Yavin data of only a few months.
This has been a UNSC transmission.
I was just looking through the Fall of Reach.
Edit. Quote." Contact! Contact!" Lieutenant Domininque shouted." Enemy plasma torpedos away, sir!" Scarlet lighting erupted from the alien frigates-twin bolts of fire streaked through the darkness. They looked as if they could burn space itself. The torpedoes were on a direct course for the Iroquois." Course correction, sir?" Lieutenant Jaggers' voice broke with strain. His uniform was soaked with perspiration." Negative," Commander Keyes replied." Continue on this heading. Arm aft Archer missile pods. Rotate launch arcs one eight zero degrees." Aye, sir." Lieutenant Hikowa wrinkled her brow, and then she slowly nodded and silently mouthed,"...yes." Boiling red plasma filled half the forward view screen. It was beautiful to watch in an odd way-like a front-row seat at a forest fire. Keyes found himself strangely calm. This would either work or it would not. The odds were long, but he was confident that his actions were the only option to survive this encounter. Lieutenant Dominique turned." Collision with plasma in nineteen seconds, sir." Jagger turned from his station." Sir! This is suicide! Our armor can't withstand-" Keyes cut him off." Mister, man your station or I will have you removed from the bridge." Jagger looked pleadingly at Hikowa." We're going to die, Aki-" She refused to meet his gaze and turned back to her controls." You heard the Commander," she said quietly." Man your post." Jaggers sank into his seat." Collision with plasma in seven seconds," Lieutenant Hall said, She bit her lower lip. "Lieutenant Jaggers, transfer emergency thruster controls to my station." Yes... yes, sir." The emergency thrusters were tanks of trihydrid tetrazine and hydrogen peroxide. When they mixed, they did so with explosive force-literally blasting the Iroquois onto a new course. The ship had six such tanks strategically placed on harden points on the hull. Commander Keyes consulted the countdown timer on his data pad." Lieutenant Hikowa: fire the nuke." Shiva away, sir! On course-one eight zero, maximum burn." Plasma filled the forescreen; the center of the red mass turned blue. Green and yellows radiated outward, the light frequencies blue-shifting in spectra." Distance three hundred thousand kilometers," Lieutenant Dominique said." Collision in two seconds." Unquote. Those are two plasma torpedos fired by a pair of Covenant Firgates giving cover to a Carrier and Destroyer during the first battle near Sigma Octanus IV.
Edit: to any one that saw that before the Edit, sorry. But I didn't think I gave enough info when I did this last night, I was just tired.
So my last range on Covenant plasma was to close to the ISDs if we go with this, the Star Destroyers would never have got a shot off at that range. But this last part at the end would mean that they would be traveling near the speed of light, last I checked Covenant ships are faster then UNSC ships, so that would mean that they move faster than light with what are suppose to be sub-light drives. So how long do Covenant plasma torpedos take to accelerate to these speeds? They must take some time or the author made one giant typo at the end of there of what I quoted. So should we go with this data?
If this is right standard Imperial weapons just got thrown out the window at this range.
The Forerunner vs Empire would be the greatest battle of all time for sure. But as I said before until 2010 when books about the Forerunner come out we do not have enough data to work with.
And now your also saying that the Flood, which battled against the Forerunner in a three hundred year war would lose a war to the Empire in 10-15 years? The Flood would do the exact same thing as they did to the Forerunners and turn their numbers against them. Look at the Pure Forms, we only ever saw the tip of the iceberg on advance Flood Forms.
"I have destroyed fleets of thousands"--Grave Mind. The Flood would have killed the entire galaxy if not for the Forerunner moving most of the survivers to the Ark and Shield Worlds before lighting the Array.
When the flood reach a high enough biomass a Gravemind is created. It is the hive mind for the Flood. The Gravemind is faster at calculations than any of the forerunners AIs, that is untill they created the contender class AI. The contender claas AI is similar to the Gravemind, because they both have compound minds. Mendicant Bias was the first and the gravemind was able to turn it against the forerunners when he convinced mendicant that Intelligences like themselves are the future of evolution.
Medicant Used the ships under his command originally, to break through the forerunner's Magniot Line. This forced the Forerunners to activate the rings but before they did they created Offensive Bias. Unlike his brother, Offensive was not given the freedom to turn against them. Its only purpose was to destroy Mendicant's fleet before it could reach the Ark, thus making the rings useless. Offensive, despite being at a numerical disadvantage, defeated Mendicant who had gone rampant and overconfident.
Offensive dismantled Mendicant and took it to the Ark for study. Only part of it arrived. The other part was left on the Forerunner key ship the Covenant would later find. When the prophets consulted the oracle on the key ship (Mendicant) what the luminarys on Harvest were showing, it responded
Infact the covenant ships were detecting a UNSC AI on harvest. Loki (A military class AI) had devided its program into the farming machines on harvest while it was not needed to prevent rapentcy. Its at this point Truth and the other two prophets learn the humans are the decensdants of the Forerunners
Eventually Mendicants mind is taken to the Ark when the covenat go through the portal on Earth. It is there it reunites with rest of its mind and comunicates to Master Chief through the Terminals ( Legendary difficulty). He fights the Gravemind in a battle of minds as it was originally disigned to do. This prevents the Gravemind from being able to muster all his forces against Master Chief.
"And so here at the end of my life, I do once again betray a former master. The path ahead is fraught with peril. But I will do all I can to keep it stable - keep you safe. I'm not so foolish to think this will absolve me of my sins. One life hardly balances billions. But I would have my masters know that I have changed. And you shall be my example. "
Man im a Halo geek
Wow, I have played Halo of couple of times but have not really read about it much, so I am learning a ton about Halo stuff. For me this a good thing, so I don't get lost when my friends are talking about it then they look at me because I have a completely blank look to what they are saying.
Yes the story is very deep when you get into the books and other sources. Still not as deep as Star Wars mind you. I dont like the way things are layed out as far as they have extended the time line. Luke the most powerful Jedi ever ends up being exiled into obscurity? I just dont like it.
I did not like then end at all, it was cheasy so I stopped reading them then read up a bit on what happened online or from others that have read it.
Further note on Jedi combatant techniques.
Cho mai, highly proffesional sworsdsmanship to use on a oponet to quickly end a fight and cause minimal damage, basicly cut off the opponets hands, it prefents them from using weapons or the force in that hand.
Apparantly Luke had to battle a cloned emperor who was perhaps the best swordsmen in the lightsaber in the galaxy. After a lone dueling battle he managed Cho mai to disable him. Also during the battle Lei was watching and she could harld even see the movements of Luke and the Emperor but sensed the massive pulses of power from them.
ALso about the energy swords in halo, they are plasma energy they eventual ran out where as the lightsaber which is pure plasma but it never runs out. Remeber there ar lightwhips and other types that can be just as effective.
check this out:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_powers
I bet master cheif cant do any of those.
Yes, but than there were not that many Force users except the Emperor, Vader and the Emperors Hands during the Empire's rule. I agree that the Master Chief would have a near impossible time taking out any of them alone without a vehicle or somthing else with a lot of firepower.
Now till me what you think of the range for plasma torpedos.
The aggressor class star destroyer was quite interesting ship.
Further note proton torpedos have quite a farther range than a turbolaser
Star wars. They got lightsabers.
Halo = typical sci fi humans vs aliens storyline
Star Wars = magic ninjas in space
It doesn't get much better than that.
not actualy coz the master chief has shielding plus he could use a energy sword to counter the lightsaber of a jedi and if a clone trooper on sw ep3 can kill a jedi then i think a spartan could easily kill one
actualy covenant armour is made out of a stronger material than star wars armor plus the covenant have stronger shielding and now going onto the ground forces
the only advantage a dark trooper would have to a hunter is its jetpack ability anyway u have to consider the hunters shield is nearly inpenitrable. and if a star destroyer fired at the covenant on the planet the covenant have shielding.
Dude think realisticly, the ai on a game is stupid to the nth degree, a real jedi has a very slim chance of being killed by a clone trooper. Also the energy sword core is metal with energy sorrounding it, I think the energy of a lightsaber could overpower it and break through the sword.
An energy sword's core is not metal. Its all plasma like a lightsaber. Also I doubt a Jedi could stand much of a chance against an smg or assault rifle because of how fast it fires and the size of the spray.
Good morning. Yes, it was an interesting ship. But if we go with 150000 kilometers per-second for plasma torpedos then this is giving it a greater range than the Energy Projector. So should we go with this long range or with it being a mistake the author made?
Yes, but the Light Saber and Energy Sword are nearly the same thing, and his shield system is not the best defense against it.
If I remember correctly, The Black Fleet Crisis trilogy had a small bit where Luke was attacked by two men with a cloaking shield. This cloaking shield made them invisible and protected by a shield. The author detailed that when the lightsaber hit the shield then broke through with a lttle more applied force.
And as seen in the games the Energy Sword can kill in one or two hits.
Now back to the plasma torpedo. Max speed of 150000 kilometers per-second based on data from The Fall of Reach, now these speeds would seem to me to put plasma torpedos in the million of kilometers weapons range. But once again just how long to get to this velocity? If this is the speed from the moment it is launched than it is incorret, because if the a UNSC ship can out run it for a short time, than just how fast are the Covenant ships?
And here's a joke I found on a Halo vs Star Trek thread on another site, and it would work even better against SW. Quote. Guilty Spark there is the final answer he teleports into your ships and dosnt shut up about how you must stop the flood by activating the halos and drives your crew nuts until you teleport him off your ship, then he just teleports himself back oh and he wont die I have tired everything to kill him it dosnt work. Unquote. I wish I had thought of that! Drive Vader and everyone else on board the ships insane using Spark.
I can't believe I did not think of this before. Nearly all non-humans in the Empire's one millions systems hate them for the way they are treated. The Covenant's anti-human poilcy would win it a lot of support in at least the Outer Rim and some of the 11 million systems not under Imperial control. Anything that looks to much like a human is toast. They just absorb them as they have others. This gives them the tech and resources to truly battle the Empire. All these races would would see the Covenant as being a viable threat to Imperial rule.
And I can not believe sometimes how dumb some of the rabid Trek people can be, this one guy on a Halo vs ST thread on another site: he thinks that ST ships can destroy the Forerunner Dreadnought. There is only one race more powerful than the Forerunner, those who gave them their Mantle( I'm sure that's the right name, but its been some time since I'v played H 3) to preserve all life: the Precursors.
A few things. . .
1. Can a lightsaber block ALL the bullets from an assault rifle? I think not. MC beats most Jedi just for that.
2.Guerella Warfare my A**! The Covenant doesn't hide and wait, or do hit and run attacks! No religious zealot in their right mind (pun intended) would even consider such fighting. The Empire would kill them, no doubt at all.
3.
Why not use Yoda for the same thing? Or maybe Jar Jar Binks? Or even
Why?... why?... Why did you have to necro this thread?
Halo kicks star wars in the crotch. Star Wars is really old, and theres like 7 moveis for it too. Don't get me wrong I like starwars, but it went out of date quite a while ago.
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