OK, i expect to pick up a LOT of flak for this, BUT i will freely admit that i prefer the TEC to the other races (I rarely play as Vasaari and i have never even finished a game as Advent)
I favour the TEC because i like the look and feel of their ships, i think their capital ships are the best and i really love the strong economy you can build up quite easily (especially with the Trade Facilities on the Argonev, 6.5 credits per second each, great!), the strong economy and the reduce ship build time reseach allows you to rapidly and cheaply replace losses, and the ships themselves are great.
also...there is just something...satisfying...about winning games as TEC. as if you'd saved the human race from annihilation.
BUT, what race is your favourite, and most importantly, WHY???
^^^Unfortunately for the advent, the TEC has a lot of butter.
Well most skilled games I end up in don't tend to go as far as advent battleballs or total subverter rape. But if vas gets to subs and uses them well advent is a sitting duck everything is a sitting duck however subs and their disable are tier 6 in the mil tree...
Grtz,Flipkik
Its all personal preference ive played both vasari and advent mostly to get a feel for their strategies and try to prepare my own, as im a loyal TEC player (always play the underdog) But I also played them to see if i can conform to them and maybe choose one of the other. But I found that its not easy for me and I actually stumble about with the Advent and Vasari, Even in the beginning I picked up on TEC very fast and I now realize its really up to personal gameplay. Some people are strong economists that prefer to build up a large cashpool for their military(TEC). while others prefer just sheer strength of ships (Advent) or quick expansion(Vasari). Im not going to sit here and say that one is better then the other, because with the right strategy and implementation of inbattle tactics either of the three can find themselves the victors. The reality is the Top Race is just personal choice, whatever one fullfills the extension of your own personality.
Although I think alot of people prefer Advent over Vasari or TEC so maybe the true Top Race is Advent as they are the more likely choice by SINs players.
Advent will rule EVERYONE!
I love Advent, they go well with my playstyle- I'm defensive, and I don't like losing ships, so invincible fleets are awesome.
If any of you has the Distant Stars mod, try playing caps only with Advent. It's insane, you can instapop starbases.
And in normal play, I like being able to use all of my ships strategically, which means I'm often outnumbered...and it's awesome when you plow through enemies that aren't as researched with only a handful of ships.
Gotta say the Advent is my favorite. I always use carriers to back up my main fleet so the Advent's ability to easily build up hundreds of fighters/bombers is amazing.
I try and play every race now and again to random it up. But the vasari jus really suite my all out offence style. assailants overseers skirmishers every vasari ship has some ability that jus makes their relatively higher cost worth it.
Plus lets not forget every vasari battle comes with a balanced diet of space eggs, space turnips(starbase) and alittle pepper(kortul)
currently tec is the best problem is ppl just understand tec's true power.not all ppl knows that tec is outsmarting advent on pushing culture (deliverance engine not included) and while advent n vasari got 1 superweapons, tec got TWO superweapons heh
huh whats this other super weapon your talking bout. Missle Barrgage? Besides Superweapons barely ever see use while a starbase like one that can move...well thats a game changer that can see use pretty early.
Only about 10 (single player) games so far. So why bother to comment? Because I am finding Advent strongest despite the fact that I don't yet understand the synergies that some here say Advent depends on.
no your not noticing Advent are the strongest, your noticing the brute force of their units. Having tough units doesnt make them the strongest. Just the strongest units. This is exactly why so many cling to the Advent. They have upfront very combat ready units. But that doesnt make them the strongest. If anything the strongest race is the TEC as they have the funds to overcome the other two. But that still doesnt make them the BEST. No one is the BEST. They all have their strengths and weaknesses that can be exploited.
Exactly a brief rundown on each races advantage:
TEC pure money power will be able to out produce any race due to the shier amount of money they can have. A TEC player can have more upkeep than you and still probably manage to have more money than you. their ships also have the most armor and hull and making them the most resistant to vasari phase missles. the power of quantity over quality
Advent: Synergies strong units most annoying thing is culture which can slow your advance when you have to wait for culture to be repelled before you can colonise.
Vasari: Mobility stronger though more expensive units. Better extraction rates from asteroids. Early extractors. and all the other little ways they can gain resources such as from destroying structures or higher cred reel from bounties means an experienced vasari player can make more money than a TEC player in large games by taking advantage of certain vasari strats such as sneak atks on structures to gain creds atking an oppenent that has bounty on him and well when they get drain planet expect to see random egg atks every now again to harass and gain resources.
It depends on my intended plan, but i usually go with:
TEC, in general. I tend to run out of cash quickly even with their enhanced income, building whatever strikes my whimsy...
Vasari, in games where there are a lot of TEC Players, mostly to break from the crowd, but a mid-level Skirantra is a scary thing when it's staring you down from behind a fleet of Twenty Skirmishers and assorted Support Craft (Overseers, Subverters, etc)
Advent, When i want a true challenge, playing a race where research isn't just a nice addition to your arsenal, its a way of life.
Still, at the end of the day, TEC are just easier for me to comprehend- Their ships and technology seem to be mostly futuristic variants of what humans could do now, with some exceptions, and are thus easier to keep track of.
Meh. I'll throw in my 2 cents.
TEC: Largest economy, best armor, Best Starbase, everything else is in the middle. Overall: 7/10
Advent: Best Carriers, best firepower, best culture, most research needed, moderate eco. Overall: 8/10
Vasari: Best ship hull, firepower type. (Phase Missiles), largest fleet capacity, not much else to brag about. Overall: 7/10.
Koda0 (^)
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I like Advent since:
Their battle ball thing regenerating shields at 62.5 per second, with guardians taking in 33% percent of damage (then being restored), and to ships with low hull (darn phase missiles) I can throw in a few subjugators, to keep them living for a bit longer. And I'm currently working on the synergy combos, and that'll be fun!
Their starbase with mass disorientation and then meteor death thing is like a really weak version of TEC's big red button BUT WITHOUT DESTROYING THE STARBASE (and not hurting your own structures/ships). It's still vulnerable to strike craft, but who isn't?
Yeah, we're outnumbered by TEC and phase missiled by Vasari, but we can be outnumbered/phase missiled and still live. We've got AoE on our side.
But I've never spent too much time with TEC and even less with Vasari, so I have a biased perspective, but still...
Double post, whoops!
In order from highest preference to lowest, I prefer Vasari, Advent, and TEC (I don't have Entrenchment yet, so I might be wrong). The Vasari are great with phase travel, i mean the phase stabilizer is cool for getting your enormous armada to the enemy without having to go through the long wait in the planets between start and end (plus it lets you get free ships). They also get to go through wormholes much earlier, a big plus when you want to rush uncontrolled star systems. And the phase missiles somewhat bypass mitigation, so you don't haave to worry too much about an enemy cap ship with 60% mitigation and 4500 shiled points too much. If all that isn't enough, then there is the Kostura cannon, it's great for getting an enemy to get really frustrated for losing the fleet he just spent the last 30 min building, and it helps with subjugating enemy planets and knocking out THEIR superweapon(s). They also can support the largest volcanic populations. Now the Advent have a big advantage with shields, which is great and all because you can't lose a ship if your sheilds cant be destroyed. They also have a tech that lets them research faster, which is a HUGE perk when you want to tech up to get the Destra in your fleets fast. They also can get propoganda out sooner, which is great in small maps. Speaking of which, the Deliverence engine can really help increase loyalties in your own, as well as enemy worlds. If you want to be able to fire it more and reload time isn't a problem, just build some anti-matter rechargers next to it. Ah, the TEC, great economic potential, yes, but I find that they lack something when it comes to combat. They don't have as much antimatter tech, either, which is kinda bad, but you just get around it. I do like the Marza, though. Especially w/ raze planet and missile barrage. But when it comes to normal combat ships, like the kodiak, which has armor potential, but doesn't really have the bite of the bear it's named after. Another nail in the coffin is the Novalith... a pointless weapon, only worth it if you don't want to bombard (who the HELL are you if you don't? I mean you get crushing firepower with the cap ships, and if that isn't enough, there's always Krosovs). One of the things I DO like about them is the planetary shield, which keeps the enemy from bombarding until they detroy the generator, or an Advent Radiance uses its anti-matter bomb. Overall, TEC, 7/10, Advent, 8.5/10, Vasari, 8.8/10.
Here's what will REALLY happen: the Advent and Vasai gang up on the TEC, beat the shit out of them, then the Vasari subjugate the Advent, reverse-engineer their Psi-Tech, and then the Vasari's enemy catches up with them, it turns out to be Chuck Norris, but the Vasari are prepared. They use phase stabilizing technology to call forth Bruce Lee, then they use an Advent Deliverence Engine to take over his mind and use him to beat Chuck Norris to hell. Then the Dark Fleet shows up and the Evacuators use their Drain Planets to kill Bruce Lee.
Yeah.........in your dreams. If you havent noticed the TEC have stalled both Vasari and Advent...probably even used pirates and rebellions to insite fighting between the two. Its exactly why Diplomacy is needed. Because The fighting just keeps going and going and neither side has gained a significant advantage. I also believe the fact the videos are focused on the TEC side of the story. They wont be killing them off whatso ever.
This is how I think it will go
Vasari being hardheaded and arrogant overwhelm themselves with attempts to out do both TEC and Advent. TEC insight rebellions and pirate raids that force the Advent and Vasari to take a harder approach at ending each other. Eventually the Advent out manuver the Vasari and they are finally vanquished (not killed off) forced to return to their Exodus, never to be seen again. The TEC and Advent then slug it out. But its a deadlock. The Advent have the force, but not the economy. This goes on for quite a while before the Vasari's Pursuers appear looking for the Vasari. They dont find them but realize the Vasari came into contact with two Factions and assumes the Vasari no longer exist. It turns its self on the TEC and Advent. TEC and Advent suspend their fighting as they realize they cant fight each other and survive the assault from this new enemy. They fight it out til the new enemy is wiped out. But through the fighting and the war that dredged on for over 25+ years before neither Advent or TEC have the urge to annihilate each other any longer and go their seperate ways. Possibly going back to war sometime again but for now Peace ensues.
Ok, first of all, if the pursuers could wipe out the ENTIRE Dark Fleet, then how are a bunch of modified trade ships and a bunch of angry zealots going to defeat them, when a ten thousand or more ship armada couldn't and only left a single capital ship left alive? Second, how, exactly are the Advent and TEC going to "get along" again, if the Advent have a permanent scar on their mentality that the TEC are the MOST EVIL BEINGS IN THE UNIVERSE?
Maybe because theyre capable of stalling out and in most cases overpowering the Exodus Fleet. So if their capable of wiping the Vasari they likely have a good chance against the unknown thats heading their way.
And did you not read the post? Diplomacy came around because of the three sides being TIRED of war. Im sure another 25 years of war will bring their Hatred for eachother to a simmer.
Besides that, i seem to recall somewhere in the lore (Perhaps in the advent tech tree somewhere) that the Advent are assimilating traders worlds, bringing their members into the unity.
It also states in the Diplomacy Lore that all three sides are quickly tiring of fighting and smaller factions within the three factions are beginning to start issues within them possibly hinting at fracturing and starting a civil war of sorts.
Civil war, you say? If that were true, then all sides would stop fighting... each other, that is. (Only because they are a little busy fighting their bretheren). And if there were to be a civil war in all the factions, then the question would be, which side could have a single leader come forth, and lead their side to victory over the other still-warring broken up factions. In that case, who would the victor be??? It would be a question of when they break down, who on what side would hold the biggest pieces, and who could rally a fleet quick enough before the other factions restored order.
You dont comprehend what you read do you?
I said it possibly hints at fracturing and civil war. Didnt say there was an actual civil war. If you dont know what Im talking about you need to brush up on the lore.
I like the Vassari for their mobility. I also like the death egg
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