Hi.
I took part in the ESL league this evening - and was disgusted quite frankly at how little chance myself (regulus) and my allie (torch bearer) had against vamp and sedna.
The regen on sedna is simply unreal, and vamp regens at a stupid rate as well - it make absolutely no sense that 2 generals can beat 2 of the strongest assassins - we couldnt even get one single kill attempting to double team either of them and we are competant players.
This needs addressed critically because it is putting me off even playing the game - how can you have ESL leagues and so on, when the game is pathetically inbalanced. This needs fixed. Today.
Nice
Now come and speak to me in french or spanish
90% of this forum is about balance whining. can't we focus on what really matters? like the really really really messed up multiplayer.
Well the game could use a bit of balancing might I say. Unclean beast is a bit overpowered.
I don't think that we should see his thread as a whine rather a critical suggestion, because it is true you can't have leagues or cups in the future with overpowered Demigods. Seeing as he experience it himself he is not simply throwing bullshit at us rather something that he actually withness.
But ye you pretty much got gayed by a dual mass healing. You couldn't have stand a chance against those.
Devs known about this. Why complain about something they know about?
And most peoples balance complaints are a problem about what's between the keyboard and chair, not the game. The game is really really well balanced.
Mines would have been far better than Snipe in that matchup, imo.
I don't think Demigod will ever be Balanced.
It's like Rock Paper Cisor. With Sedna + Erebus there's at least 8 different playstyle possible.
Sedna full heal or Sedna + Pets or Sedna tank build and again the same for Erebus.
I don't even understand how you can loose with TB + Regulus against them.
You just have to set a mine field and lure erebus in it then stun bolt bye. Erebus instant kill without even the slightest chance for a heal. So before crying imba. 3 Words.
LEARN TO PLAY.
We played 10 games today with 2 of my friends. First game was a 3v3 on prison. QoT + Regulus + Erebus against TB + Sed + Ub.
They forfeited in 10 minutes, saying that Qot is imba. Then we swapped team, they took our DG we took them, same result. Some people just have to find a reason when they loose. Lag, or crappy teamates, or imbalanced game or whatever. No man, if you loose, think about how, and what you could've done to beat them.
So yeah in 2v2 with equal skill, sometimes it's rock paper cisor. The DG pick will decide if you loose or win, but that's part of the game, trying to find the best combo against X or Y team.
Sedna is very hard to kill because she has a lot of +regen HP + heal. So many options to counter that...
Drain her mana or Use the item to reduce her regen hp by 75% or stun or silence and you name it. You just have to use your brain and figure it out.
Edit again : How a imbalanced game will be troublesome for leagues anyway? Dota is the closest example. How many heroes are actually played in leagues? 25-30 out of them all. And oh Dota is played a lot in league and E-Sport. And guess what, competitive players almost never whine about imbalance.
And most of the time if there's a great imbalance due to an exploit or something, it'll be written in the rules :
-No monk Stacking
-No Heart of life during Shield/Invuln
-Healing wand limited to 2 per team, Tp symbol 2 per team etc.
That's an example. And most of the times devs will react and will fix this behaviours.
This is where uploadable Replays would be handy...
Or the fact that french is my mothertongue ?
It would still be sad to rely to rules like: Only 4 of 8 heroes played in leagues.
It's not like we have 90 heroes to choose from at the moment
You need to list the skills you guys chose first etc.. as well as list what items you bought at the start etc.. vrs theres.
I play TB alot in patheon games and have never had a problem senda or erbus 1v1 sounds like you got outplayed and want to whine because your ego is so big you feel you could not have lost unless they used OP demigods.
This is the same damn thread I posted above.. just reading this one. I think too many people are too passionate about this one (otherwise it wouldn't be showing up this much) but I think as well that we should give it a bit more time for all of us to sort this one out.
Obviously you never played with a good Lord Erebus player (who uses the skills that we are talking about to always kill).
"Obviously you never played with a good Lord Erebus player (who uses the skills that we are talking about to always kill)."
LOL i have used erebus been lvl 20 with 37 kills making 3 people on the other team quit calling erebus OP me a cheater and a ploiter for useing him.
I have done the same with TB each demigod plays diffrent and each one has a weakness.
I have played dang good erebus players the key is to NOT let them get into melee, yes they have bats but by the time they get it i already have atlest 1 kill if i am lucky 2 giving me armor and i can out damage erebus even more so if he is forced to use bats to get close to me.
Vampire Lord and Unclean Beast are needed to be nerfed IMO.
I went a standard icy tb build.
Icy rain / Frost nova / Deep freeze to maximize freeze combo and harassment. (I know that fire is complete suicide against a sedna + ereb, at least, imo)
For items, mana regen items at first to be able to stay on the front as much as possible.
Tp scrolls to leave / reenter the battlefield as much as possible.
Wand of speed to outrun sedna.
Locks to lock the enemy portal flags.
Pushes with frost nova.
And I have maybe killed only 1 demigod in the whole game (ended around level 11, when we left) when i usually do 15 - 20 kills / 0 death in most games.
Was creeping the best i could (icy rains on each wave of creeps successively, alternating between the lanes), but the 2 enemy demigods together were just unkillable.
I'm not telling 'everything' i did in the game of course, but its a good picture. Maybe should have went on with silencing the vamp the whole time.
Imagine that. The glass cannon having to silence a general / support character. Figured it would be the contrary.
The same terrible situation happened once when i fought 2 sednas.
oh and for the record i am not saying erebus might not need a few tweaks etc.. i just saying alot of players make it sound like some demigods are so overpowerd they are insane or godlike and cant be beat.
Also the first sign of balance is when people call for nerfs on just about every demigod and so far i belive every demigod has been whined about lol.
My balance suggestion is that it shouldn't be possible with any level 1 demigod and any combination of starting items to kill another level 1 demigod one on one within 3 seconds. Okay, several level 1 demigods ganging up on 1 level 1 demigod and getting a kill within 3 seconds? Sure. But one?
It's a strange balance that way. It isn't UNBALANCED, as I've seen most demigods pull it off. But it's a strange balance, IMO.
That's for starters. If you want to get ambitious, balance it so that no level X demigod can kill another level X demigod (X=X of course) one on one within 3 seconds, provided they both have a "reasonable build" (of course I could see for allowing such a kill with unbalanced builds).
that is correct but you have to think that sedna is totally support/defensive character, so till there will be stat on team games is hard to value it correctly, most of players who use them in pantheon will try to solo and most of her team mates wont help her, stand around to be heealed etc etc
another thing to point out is in every game ppl start with a very raging POV on characters so sedna has not really a playstyle going with the common choice for a new born game
usually it requires weeks/months for a game to develop more tactical/defensive games
You can expand on this by saying that it "should" be possible for any level x demigod to kill another level x demigod, considering they roughly have the same items and efficiency.
(Or at least, for assassin-style characters)
Sedna should be made stronger, but balanced by having her leopard randomly stop to lick itself for a few seconds leaving Sedna vunerable.
You didn't mention a number of seconds? Yes, it should be possible for any level demigod to kill any level demigod, level X or no level X. My point was about the minimum number of seconds that it should take to do it as far as game balance. To start, it could be balanced around two level one DGs duking it out. I see kills being made far too quickly in my opinion. Yes, the kills should be made of course. But the minimum time it takes to make such a kill should be longer. It's a balance aspect of the game that just jumps out at me as being... not correct.
Um what demigod at level 1 kills another level 1 demigod in 3 seconds? i have never seen that and dont belive its even possable unless you can show some proof.
i dont see a reason why every demigod lvl x should kill every other demigod lvl x
i think there is a logical flaw, its not possible at all
first of all its a TEAM play so doesnt matter at all, but even if we want to make it matter there is so much enviroment in demigod that if you want to survive you can ALWAYS survive
just start running as soon as you see an enemy and you will survive ALWAYS, till lvl 15+ when demigods sometimes can follow you through the whole base
It's not, if the target is at full health. Stop making stuff up.
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