Why is it that the pure damage DGs are always thought to be the best? I play QoT all the time online and the enemy can almost never win as long as there is another human on my team. Her shield is easily a game changer.

naw the general jist of the list isnt half bad...

I was in an online skirmish, paired with an AI sedena and she feed 13 deaths to the other side. Alot compared to the opposing AI and other characters. She died more than 3 times the other demigods. She wouldn't retreat and always went out on her own.

Yeah well we've been playing against and as Sedna for months before release.  You are a new player.  Get out of the DotA mindset, this game is different.  Sedna is one of the best Demigods.  She elevates any team.  Getting lots of kills isn't the only way to determine strength.  Though any good Sedna player gets plenty of kills.  Her ability to interrupt with Pounce and Silence, her heals and her 1k burst damage coupled with her high speed and low cooldowns make her a force on the battlefield.  You are just confusing yourself with the way you mis-play her and the way the AI uses her. 

Lol you make the most patheticly blind assumptions.  Who is "we" specifically?  How do you know I play vs AI? None of your arguements have been supported with any evidence from the game.  All you say is you've been playign forever and I haven't.  Seriously unless you plan on saying something with actual relevence.

I made a post in the strat forum that I think is relevant to this thread. Here is the link.

But to cover it briefly - Of course Sedna is going be weak if she is played weak. A lot of people are stuck in the perception that she is supposed to be played as a healer so forsake her dps abilities then point to the lack of damage as evidence that she sucks.

Its quite true that if you don't do damage in Demigod your DG is going to suck because XP and Gold is derived from your ability to melt faces. But Sedna is a hybrid of dps and healing - if you only play one half of her she is going to suck, particularily if the half you are playing isnt the part that generates levels and items.

Conversely if you forsake her healing abilities and try to make an Assassin out of her she simply isnt going to measure up against purebreed Assassins. Play her as a hybrid and discover the power of being able to heal and do dps.

I think the key here is teamwork - 1v1 there may well be imbalances, but overall in team games the DG's are pretty well balanced, maybe only a few tweaks here and there required. How you rate them may be just down to your own play style.

UB can deal a lot of damage, but has next to no hitpoints - against a rook with a couple of towers and a torchbearer working together, he's going to struggle to get close enough to deal that damage.

Sedna is far from terrible - she's near impossible to kill, can support dps demigods with pounce and silence, and gives a massive advantage to creeps and her own minions for pushing.

Tiers are in general a bad idea. If any game has characters that are easily picked out as better, it's typically a terrible game. Now is a good example, you have plenty of people that disagree with you and several that pointed out a 1 vs 1 game is very different from a 4 vs 4.

I personally think this game is extremelly well balanced overall save 1 vs 1, which probably was added for the hell of it. As a game that is every bit team based (even single player is team based..), 1 vs 1 do not make much sense.. Sedna and QoT are both powerful assets and supported by a good team that works together make great addition. Also, my most fearful match in 2 vs 2 is actually Sedna + QoT (I've had the pleasure of facing them.)

 Frankly , it's difficult to kill them. You aren't in incredible danger..(you can escape most situations),but they will eventually push your citadel down while you stay with them level-wise from lack of kills. I've played with a Sedna once in a 2 vs 2 and eventually the other team quit, she wasn't even that good. It's beatable, of course, but it's a powerful combo. Would it work with 2 sedna and 2 QoT in a 4 vs 4 against a sedna, a QoT, a UB, and a rook? Probably not.., but that's the point.

LOL Sedna in last because - she can't get the kills?

Pounce + Movement Speed kills all the runners that get away from ganks that you WILL be doing with your team if your even moderatly competent as a Sedna.

But whatever, the more people that thinks she is terrible the easier it is for me, so yeah she is horrible!

Why are you so resistant?  Do you really think we just don't "get" your list?  Massage it all you want, you are wrong about Sedna.  Read the replys of your own thread and learn from others.

Any cash shortfall you are perceiving is mitagated by Sedna's ability to facilitate the success of her teammates which generates plenty of gold for her teammates and plenty of assist gold for her.  And you'll find that most Sedna players get more then their fair share of kills with Pounce finishing.  Remember this is a team game.  Whatever problems you have had with Sedna are due to player skill, not due to any shortcoming of the character.

Well hopefully now you are beginning to understand why she is one of the top Demigods and will avoid making such rush judgements.  It takes awhile to learn the ins and outs of Demigod and each DG takes some time to master.

I think I have to agree with the op at least partly about Sedna. I am by no means an experienced player - but having concentrated on playing her over the last couple of days, simply because I liked the character, I still get the most deaths, the least kills and the least experience/gold of any team (except for other Sednas perhaps which I see very rarely).

I think u can safely say that Sedna is not weaker by much than the other Demigods when she's gotten to a decent level, but certainly much harder to play effectively to even get there. Perhaps she does shine more in an experienced team where she can fill a certain niche.

• In the beginning you can only rely on brute force to even get to higher tier skills. Since every other Demigod seems to think of Sedna as an easy kill, I ususally have a very slow start staying back out of sight and trying to pick off things even easier like unsupported grunts an the odd flag capture. I would like a bit more movement speed with Sedna from the beginning to do at least that effectively.
• Nowadays I don't bother even getting the single heals because I run out of mana too fast casting them and they are too slow in casting to effectively save someone "from the brink of death". I still think there is a valid strategy in teaming up with Rook for example. But you would need a teammate who plays along and possibly voice com to pull it off. It doesn't work with randoms.
• Pounce and Silence are possibly great once u get there. I find it very difficult to use them though in a fight. You have to learn the animations of the skills of the other demigods by hard, you have to get the timing right (the other demigods have fast skills too) and you have to do that on top of constantly moving out of harms way yourself and issuing commands to your rather dumb minions, who tend to fall asleep every three seconds. Especially those Yetis annoy me. The minions could use quite a bigger aggro range. This is all quite micro intensive.

That is most of my gripes with Sedna right now. In a couple of long games I managed to get her to 20 or near there and the combination of aoe-healing buff, tier IV minions, Yetis and some of the other minion buffs was very powerful. At the moment that is what I go for mostly.

I think I will try Oak next and see if he better fits my playstyle. Shame for Sedna though, I really liked that character. If that doesn't work out, I will revert to Rook and admit that I am too old to play micro intensive games

Yes, actually this list is kinda useless and without point at the moment.

The game is overall very well balanced. Only way to do such a list would be to create some statistics on a very large data set (from pantheon for example), but going straight at it like that with a couple of personal views (and probably without spectating expert-level games) is totally unrelevant.

OP's tiers are laughable. Sedna bottom tier? Hilarious. Pounce is superb - it and silence instantly make any focus fire a complete pain train, heal is game changing, healing wind massively boosts sustainability and has very powerful priest effects and inner grace gives yet more sustainability and keeps her quick enough for any situation.

All those abilities are extroadinary and she isn't even item dependant. Gold-deprived? Huh? Sedna simply does not need much to function despite pounce finishing kills all the time. All she needs is to stack the cheap armor items, get some mana regen and a few mana potions and she's a machine all the way to endgame, pumping out pounces, healing, silences and those fantastic priest auras. From level one her sustainability is top notch and the first rank of pounce starts at 400.

Sedna is a beast in the right hands. And, no, I do not main her. I play on a team with her.