Star Trek: Voyager is a good show. Almost as good as the best example of Star Trek, that is, in my opinion, Star Trek: The Next Generation.Star Treck: Voyager DVD, like other Star Treks, is a science fiction show with a heavy component based on drama. In my opinion, the science fiction elements are just the start engine and the spice used to create a developed stage to show the watcher how human behave in certain situations, like betrayal, love, prejudice, quest for power and many more. Some characters are good, but unfortunately they are only the minority. And the doctor is too hard to believe, despite I think he is the best character in the show.Overall the episode quality is good, but there are some episodes that drop the quality solidly. Unfortunately they are a good part of the show.Star Treck: Voyager series isn't the best Star Trek, but it is one that is faithful to its origin. And one that is fun to watch.
I would say DS9 was the best series if it didn't feel like sacrilige. I would say:
1.TNG
2.DS9
3.VOY
4.ENT
5.TOS
I go by simple enjoyment alone. VOY was a fun series for me after the first season or two. ENT could feel like work trying to plow through it. TOS is the only series I've never seen every episode of. It's just too hard to watch in the 21st century.
Isn't it funny that after TNG, the theme songs just got progressively lame with each new show?
So it seems that TNG is the overwhelming favorite and others are a mixed bag. Personally, my order of preference is..
1. TNG
2. DS9
3. TOS
4.VOY
I refuse to put ENT up there among the Star Trek shows though.
Voyager took some getting used to, but I started looking forward to new episodes after a while. I have to agree with the majority's view on Neilix.
I still haven't seen the last season due to Time Warner's cancelling their contract with WB just as it started and reruns didn't seem to be in any particular order. My interest in seeing the final season had also waned considerably, so I can't say that Voyager was particularly captivating.
I know I can watch the last season on the internet, but I've already set that time aside to scratch my ass.
I like TOS in the same way that I like Red Dwarf. The cheesiness is the biggest draw IMO. I get a good laugh seeing those old episodes.
I still don't understand why people hate enterprise so much.
I found the ship was way cool. It's primitve as it should be and weak.
The captain, Archer, actually gets his hands dirty and in the Xindy missions actually does a few discusting things which is something you would of never seen in Star-Trek. Like marrooning that ship after they stole their warp coils.
Who can hate that doctor, Flux was one of the best, way better than bashir in my opinion.
Everyboedy talks about 7 of nine as being hot, Try and tell me that T'pol was not hot... (personnally she's to skinny for me LOL)
I agree a few episodes are bad, but there a re a few greats ones like:
Breaking the Ice
Dealing with vulcans, we've never seen them like this
Dear Doctor
The real first footprint of the Prime Directive. This is in my top 10 episodes of all the Star-treks. I pity anybody who as not seen this one
Fusion
Vulcan mind meld. How it all started.
Dead Stop
That space station was really nasty
The Communicator
I think we would react the very same way if we foud ET in town.
Regeneration
After what Voyager did to the Borg we can honnesly say that Enterprise put the borg back as bad ass aliens
Impulse
This is just like the game killing undead. I really enjoyed this one. Vulcan rampage!
Carpenter Street
This episode in our time. I always enjoy those. Maybe not great but good.
Zero Hour and Storm Front 1 and 2
Those three episodes are all actions and really cool when you get to see what the dang Nazi would of done if not stopped. Way cool if you ask me.
The Forge and the other two episodes
Where you get to explore the interior of the vulcan mind. We actually get to see the birth of what Spock believes in now.
In a Mirror, Darkly 1 and 2
Now these two episodes are wicked. I just loved the mirror universe since the original TOS one.
Enterprise might not be the best ever series, but there have made a few memorable episodes in my opinion. Way better than voyager. I could not even pull as many good episodes from Voyager 7 year series compared to enterprise 4 years.
Wow, Solam. Black font on black paper? Or perhaps you're posting from a site that has a white background. Most of the Stardock gaming sites use a black background. I think Demigod is the oddball on that one.
perhaps the last episode, Federation was born
But it seems to appear on most list of fav of star trek, tng and ds9 and either voyager or enterprise appear in the last place
well for me it would be:
Sorry Elemental site is Beige. I had not noticed.
Umm, not sure if anyone said this, but Welcome to the 1990's .
Voyager was my favorite one and the only one I don't think I missed an episode of from start to finish.
I would put TNG second, though I would sigh when it was of those boring shows where they delve into one character's personal BS that didn't have any connection to any other of the shows. Just seemed like filler at times, but all the series had those type of episodes
DS9 had great potential and sounds like it made true on that potential eventually(one day I'll go back and finish watching it). I watched it religiously for the first couple of seasons. Unfortunately they hopped it to another network and changed the time slot in my local area at the time, so I lost track of it.
TOS, Kinda humoruos to watch at times now, but still the classic that started it all
Only ever watched a few shows of Enterprise, was entertaining enough I might have kept watching, but the same crappy network BS in my local area got in the way. UPN lost their local affiliate and the Fox station took over UPN's primetime line up. Bad thing was they started it after their own Primetime and news, meaning 11PM or later. I'm old enough though that Scott Bakula will always remind me of Quantum Leap . Was hard to reassociate him with ST.
@Solam:
Flox was a great character. I also liked most of the Enterprise crew and even Archer. I think what was hardest for me was watching "old tech" look so brand spanking new and shiny. It just seems weird to think that everything we saw on ENT was looong before Kirk and Spock. I know it's a matter of our limited filming tech and the fact that it changes so rapidly. But ENT just didn't have the Star Trek "feel." The middle 3 series created such a huge, awesome world so well that it was jarring to be removed from it.
However, the episodes with Shran were some of the best Trek ever!
BTW, it wasn't just the tech that bothered me: their uniforms, hair styles, etc. even looked much cooler than TOS, which makes it so implausible as a lead in to that series.
OMG, there's a bit of a personal trivia about such decision by some mysterious distributor(s) here in Montreal too!
During summer '00, CFCF12 had cancelled the 7th season scheduling since (as they claimed) the contract was much more costly.
Bill Merrill (God rest his soul, he died a few months later), then Vive-President of Programming, received a few eMails from me in September and i suspect some more from other fans & viewers. We used to watch it on Saturday evenings at 19:00 for six long years and all of a sudden, we'd have to miss the whole conclusion? No way, i reasoned;
Copy of my initial protest letter on the 2nd of September...
******
This letter is from Laval (Yes... on the north side of MTL, air brains.)
Having watched for over six years, this incredibly popular Paramount's scifi series with attention... it was extremely disappointing to see (after this evening's "LIVE FAST AND PROSPER" rerun) that your station has decided not to carry the last episodes of their final season. If this is your definition of customers relation, you'd be surprise to learn that one of your most faithfull viewer is seriously considering to no longer view channel 12 in Montreal. I don't care who was crazy enough to take that decision... but here's a few toughts for smart(?) executives out there;
"How about loosing your licence of transmission from the CRTC?" "How about keeping my favorite show on until the real ending?" "How about a quick drop in any future audience ratings?" "How about Stargate SG-1 more than once a week at 4 o'clock in the middle of the night?" "How about public excuses for having us hooked for so long?" "How about Cosmos 1999, daily?" "How about playing National league baseball in January, outside, under -40C conditions?" "How about Montreal is a North-American city?" "How about the english community is now feeling excluded from the rest of the world?" "How about reruns of Babylon-5 beginning in the third week of July 3417?" "How about replacing Science-Fiction with an hour long dog food publicity?" "How about showing us the, extremely well earned, proper respect?"
I don't have Rogers-Videotron-Cogeco 60-Ohms cables hanging outside my appartment building, RCA-Starchoice-RadioShack satellite dishes shivering in windy winter weather or even a decent fully stereophonic 45" wide television set in the basement near the fireplace... but i know one thing though; i am very sad tonight by your insulting behavior. CFCF12... right? You are in Montreal, but are you on planet Earth?
"How about you can't handle public relations unless STAR-TREK Voyager airs until it is over and done by the producers?"
*******
and his response on the 15th;
-- Pig skin, NOW you owe me!
And Bang, Kzinti "DeathStar like" weapon destroyed.
Shran was one of the best Characters in Enterprise. That actor also played weyoun in DS9 I just loved it when he got killed regularly and always came back smiling LOL
Oh yes! Weyoun was awesome! My wife even liked DS9 and especially him, and she's really not a Trekkie.
I personally liked Voyager as well, though I could understand why some people would think it's crap. I mean some of the characters like Neelix got a bit annoying at times, and 7 of 9's character was extremely overused, I mean even I could only take so many episodes of her trying to regain her humanity. I liked Janeway however, she was a well rounded character, I also liked she was a scientist before becoming captain, and she acted as such. I really enjoyed the chemistry of the crew, I think it all came together quite nicely. They do weaken the borg considerably, however, voyager never actually takes on a borg vessel and wins single-handedly like some people seem to think. That is, until End-Game, where they annihilate a major borg installation, and drive the final steak through the heart of the borg. I only had two major problems with Voyager, their over reliance on time-travel stories, I mean I think there's 6 or 7 episodes where time gets messed with and the finale. I mean the battles were nicely done when they were fighting the borg, but it didn't really bring me a sense of closure for the series, I would have liked to see the homecoming and what the crew does on their arrival. Speaking honestly, Voyager probably is the weaker of the series but of course that's like saying Arnold Schwartznegger is the weaker of the austrian bodybuilders, doesnt mean he still cant rip me in half vertically.
DS9 as stated before had absolutely horrible 3 seasons. Pre-Jem'Hadar, it was alot of petty drama and Major Keira was a cold and confrontational. I mean I could understand that to a point, but they seemed to drag that out alot more than they should have. The only thing I just could not stand is the Prophets vs Pah-Wraiths storyline, that drove me absolutely mad. Especially when they killed off Jadzia Dax, and then bringing back a dax character again with a much more annoying and much less attractive version, felt like them spitting on the character. Overall though, when stupid Sisko wasn't going on about the prophets (I mean everytime they had a pah-wraith episode I was rooting for them, anything to shut up Sisko about the prophets)it was a good show.
TNG had a rocky start in seasons 1 and 2, especially with 2 bringing in a different doctor whom nobody really liked, but after that TNG was probably the best trek of the franchise. I'm a bit too young to have seen the original series, but everytime I watch reruns of TOS I can't help but laugh at some of that stuff they show.
Enterprise I despised with a passion, in order for me to like a show I have to like the crew, and T'pal (sp?) pretty much killed that for me single handedly. She had Kiera's cold pre-season 4 demeanor, but a more snobby look to her face and a completely unlikeable character. I never got past season 1, so perhaps later it got better. I gave it 16 episodes and then quit.
Star Trek has always felt like a show about moving forward anyway, at least to me, throwing us backward to a pre-1701-era (where somehow there is still an Enterprise), just felt like a dumb move to me. I don't have any higher hopes for the upcoming movie either. I mean honestly, if they dont want to make the TNG era shows or movies, just let the franchise rest for a bit, instead they drawing it out on a medieval Rack, until I'm sure it looks like a slinky now.
There are 15 HMS Enterpris(z)e ships, quite a few rather well known. It is a very common ship name because of what the word means, it's often been the first of a class, or an exploration vessel. The first HMS Enterprize was actually a French vessel of the name L'Enterprise captured by the Brits. At the time of the show's launch, an HMS Enterprise was an Echo class survey ship.
The Brits got the name from the Frenchies, the Yanks got the name from the Brits, so if anything, it's French.
Just struck me as weird they decided to sorta undercut the original 1701 that started the franchise. I mean if theres a Enterprise prior to the 1701, than the whole naming system is thrown off for the other shows, the original ship should have been 1701-A, and so on. Sorta nit-pick but it bothered me.
Interesting factoid about the name though, thanks for that
And Jonathan Archer has a bunch of framed drawings in his quarters that prove it, too.
I recant! If it's in that show I must be wrong.
The registry for Archer's Enterprise was NX-01. So when Consitution-class starships like the USS Enterprise entered service, the registry NCC-1701 would have been available.
Also technically, the Starfleet we know from TOS and after wasn't there yet in ENT. It shouldn't have been named NX-01 at all, just Enterprise and something arbitrary.
MarvinKosh: Raider1988 has a point though. The registration number always stayed the same for ships of the same name. The different incarnations with other classes are depicted by the letter.
Anyway, ENT doesn't exist, so it's all moot
Okay, how do you explain Capt. Sulu, Styles & Tuvok two different Excelsior (NX & NCC-2000), then?
Time_shift or purposely renumbered?
Those weren't different ships. The Excelsior had the registration number NX-2000, because of its experimental transwarp drive. Experimental ships always have NX. Once the transwarp project failed, the Excelsior became NCC-2000, with the conversion to normal warp drive, in 2287. Captain Sulu took command over the Excelsior in 2290.
Although there is some discrepancy on the registration number of the USS Defiant. Initially it had NX-74205. After it got destroyed, another Defiant class ship was renamed to USS Defiant, though some sources say it got NCC-74205 others say it stayed NX-74205. I don't have my DS9 DVD collection (or a rip) available right now, so I can't check myself.
// ah, after the destruction, they just reused the old scenes with the Defiant, so you would mostly still see NX-74205, even though NCC-74205 would be more fitting.
The DS9 episode last night on space was pretty kickass.
nothing like a squad of Klingon BOP rading a planet and noble warriors sacrificing themselves
You all seem ton forget that NCC 1701 is a FEDERATION STARSHIP registry and the NX-01 is a starfleet ship the federation did not exist yet. Registry entries are bound to change once the federation is born.
As for the DS9 glitch in registry I read somewhere that the producer made a mistake and once it was done it was done.
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