Well, it looks like Demigod turned out to be a so-so game.
Bad launch... Broken multiplayer, broken bots in singleplayer, no campaing, bad reviews, etc. etc.
I can think of SO MANY THINGS I would add into the gameplay right now. For some reason I think Stardock is just lazy. Having all these issues and bad AI, I just question myself: what are you guys doing in there? Personaly I would be happy to spend my whole day working to improve demigod. And I would do it completely for free! There are 8 working hours each day, yet nothing much seems to happen. The patches seem pretty basic without anything new. Gameplay misses a lot of features. When was the last time something MAJOR was added into the game since Beta 3? Right...
I fear (belive me, I realy do) that Demigod will be thrown back and forgotten.
Most of the Demigod players have played DotA (at least a half did, like me) and I think they just like Demigod, because it brings something fresh to the table, because they got a bit bored of DotA. But now as everyone has played a bit, saw what the game offers, I think many of the DotA players will go back. Too many features are missing (FFS why isn't there an option to always show your hp/mana in numbers? It helps SO much when you don't have enough mana to cast a spell).
As you've seen, Demigod progresses VERY slowly, and we can expect an extra map in about half a year...
Some bugs and bad things have remained since the Beta.
So, is this the end of Demigod?
How long will it take Stardock to at least fix all the bugs? A month?
P.S. And NO! I'm not a DotA fanatic. Unlike fanboys, I prefer to stand on both sides. I would be realy happy to play both Demigod and Dota, or even just Demigod, but...
Well I think it will have its work cut out to really be successful, but if Stardock can get things fixed (I think they can) then the game has a good shot. Wont be a huge mainstream title but it can build up and maybe demigod 2 can be a hit a few years down the road
Yes the launch does seem to have gone....poorly...but alot of unexpected things happened so its not really a surprise.
As for dota.....well I hope most of them do leave lol. dota players are the reason i never played dota, I never really never really played it till this year and public games are not remotely noob friendly.
If sratdock doesn't fix this game and put some extra content it will surely die.
Hay, welcome to a programming and developing job. I appreciate the late nights though, if that is true, hopefully everyone else does as well.
I have a lot of sympathy for you guys during this game launch.
I'm sure you're well aware the people complaining like this are either kids or very uneducated people, while they have a right to complain about the current state any complaints should have long been doused by the effort you guys have shown this week to try and resolve the mistakes.
I wish you a lot of luck with fixing the issues and in sales of what seems like a great game to me.
its pretty much already fixed connection wise, balance next, then extra content
easily doable based on stardocks and gas record (dont rly know who's doing the updates...)
no i think he would be saying that.. and i think is compltely justified..if they had really put in the hours.. they would be here fixing there'ye game.. that they've spent months/years in the making.. IT ALREADY Got smashed in reviews.. and the only light was the idea that they were addressing the mp issues.. its day 4.. and were worse off than the rest.. the fixed it?? they fixed it for 5 hours.. total.. then it TOtally melteddown.. and is unplayable.. everyother game company would be on 24/7 alert until the bugs were totally smoothed out.... stardock realsed a phony everythings a ok post.. then everything bombsghelled... its however much later since servers went down yesterday and still nothing??how is that not laziness!! they already got SMASHEd how do you not DO SOmething when your ENTIRE NETWORK GOES DOWN!
the friggin players were on 24/7 spending money and time finding 3rd party ways to play the game while the servers were down.. troublshooting connections problems with hamachi and so on.. and the Developers were sleeping soundly ... and probably still are.. your gonna give thes people credit.. tell me why the players are making your mp system work better than they are.. throgh 3rd party software??? wtf are we paying you 4?
The history of video games proves otherwise. This game might not die, but it'll most likely never be very successful and will never have a large pool of players.
The first week, event he first day, is the most important period of time in a game's life, particularly if it's an online game. Miss it, and the game will at best have mild success, and at worst will be deserted in a matter of weeks.
Iirc, there are a number of hugely successful games that had utterly horrible server problems during the first week. Just off the top of my head I can cite WoW and Halo 3. Blizzard simply wasn't prepared for the massive influx of people upon WoW's release and their servers went down. Similarly, the sudden burst of activity upon Halo 3's release crashed Xbox LIVE. Today, these games could be safely defined as some of the most popular games in their respective generas.
I think the only difference between Demigod and the other games is that Stardock only got paid for about 10% of the used copies .
you make a big error if you compair the launche of demigod with the launch of WoW
first of all: Blizzard.
the anme speaks for himselfs. Starcraft Diablo Warcraft, ofc you put much trust in this company.
second thing: wow had not a problem with the netcode the match making and players disconnecting port forwording and so ON
the servers where just to weak to handle all the players. THAT is a big difference.
yeah for wow servers were down at launch alot and it was a PAY TO PLAY, imagine how much QQ that is lol
oh we pay month for this and we can't even play
and theres always the people that calculate the money blizzard gets in each month and compare it to the downtime and such lol
atleast they gave us free days because of the downtime
I get a grin when reading posts like this because all I can see is some nerd, raging on their screen because Stardock "took" their $39.99.
Seriously, remove the tree from your behind and wait a week at least. They ARE working very hard to fix the issues. They WANT their game to succeed. They DON'T WANT you to sit around and give non-constructive BS.
Everyone knows how unhappy a lot of people are with the connectivity in DG, there's no need to keep beating them while they're down because they ARE dedicated to DG and will do everything they can to make it succeed. Give it a rest dude. Go play something else until you see an update.
You do realize that about 90% of the problem with Demigod's mp was that they had about 10x as many players as they expected... The netcode was largely fixed by the end of the beta. No, it wasn't perfect, but it was largely fixed. Most of the issues came from massively overloaded servers.
What kind of updates have they done to improve mp? They changed the server and they reduced the amount of server calls. The only thing they added to the actual game was the Connection Dialog. Oh look, mp works 90% better now. I guess 90% of the problems were, in fact, with the servers. And they're still working on it to improve it, so yeah.
Someone posted that I don't know shit about games and how they are made etc. etc.
The thing is that I DO. I know enough programming languages to understand how things work.
And believe me, making balance tweaks is by far the EASIEST job a programmer could have.
Don't know about bug fixes though. Depends on what kind of bugs we are experiencing. As someone posted before there shouldn't have been any in the first place.
And PLEASE stop feeding me and others with "later"s. "It will get better, blah, blah". The fact is that it costs 40$ today, not tommorow.
And for this:
Can I use this chance to ask you to make Alt+Tab NOT crash Demigod please? Thank you!
On another note:
Stop comparing WoW please. I don't even like that game to begin with. Too mindless. And it has a shield behind it (Blizzard).
As for the 10%, I don't know how much games cost to make, but I suppose 600,000$ is enough for a first week of release to pay off everything, no ?
And I completely agree with Werewindlefr. That's how I began thinking about making a thread like this. Maybe Stardock will make things quicker ? Or maybe they'll hire me and I'll work for free (and yes, I will), who knows ^^ ?
Edit: I read someone posted about constructive critisism.
I REALY hate beeing rude right now, but shut up. Right now the devs don't need constructive critisims as much as they need to fix all the bugs, which all can be found in the "Demigod Ideas" and "Demigod Technical Support" threads, with logs and everything.
And for some more constructive critisism, read my last lines before the edit.
WRONG! ZONK!
The problem was that Pirat Copys of the game still checked for updates on the stardock server. So you could blame it on the pirats or on stardock because they failed.
a TON of people are having problems RIGHT NOW with connection to each other with droping out of games with AI in the multyplayer and SO ON.
It does not matter if it works 100000% better than the first day if it still is totally BROKEN.
So yeah what? So yeah shut it up they are patching and you have no right to bitch about a game that does not work only because you payed for it? yeah right....
Sadly, the guy above is right
[url=http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=784747&page=53]Even Steam isn't perfect[/url]
lolwut?
Too add to this, GTAIV and Little Big Planet both on PS3, Company of Heroes, Call of Duty 4, Battlefield 2, Most every other MMO in History, and a ton of other games I didnt have personal experience with but read about on Launch Day.. its a reason NOT to buy any multiplayer focused game on Launch Day.. its a given things will happen.
played since first stage of beta (my fave build) gotta admit since stage3 i think they got caught up with balance and skill trees, put online on hold and thought holy cow we release now we're not done yet..
So many games have had bad release's for P.c lately (E:TW for another example) I.E release day patches,failing to install,crash beacuse of memory leaks etc. so far the game still feels like it's beta and i hope they focus on getting it to final b4 they start $elling DLC but this is stardock not EA (LMAO ZehDon)
-can't seem to delete myself so can a mod pls?
sorry for trolling and copy/pasted apology, it's just quicker
This is an absurd statement. So will you have me believe that you can't trust ANY reviews because they are wrong because companies want to get the reviews out fast because of a deadline? Umm... So if they gave Demigod a 10/10 across the board would you be saying the same thing? That the reviews are super good because they just wanted to throw something out on paper. They installed the game and it did not work. They reviewed it based on that concept. they MAY re-review it in a month or two but it will never change that the reviews sucked on opening day - period.
Is it a reviewers responsibilty to call a video game company and say "umm, I was going to give you a 6/10 but if you can promise that it will be really awesome in a month then I will give you a 7." Every company would say "OMG yes we are adding flying cows and super thingamajigs and a button that does X." If a reviewer reviewed based on promises from a developer it would cause a huge stink and said reviewer wouldn't last in the industry very long.
made me LOL and ROFL at the same time rly rly hard
I can think of SO MANY THINGS I would add into the gameplay right now. For some reason I think Stardock is just lazy. Having all these issues and bad AI, I just question myself: what are you guys doing in there? Personaly I would be happy to spend my whole day working to improve demigod. And I would do it completely for free! There are 8 working hours each day, 8 working hours per day, games been out 4 days 2 of which are weekend days so realistically thats 16 work hours, but lets for now go with 32, lets see 32 hours, enough time to probably track down 1 bug in the code, make a fix for it, then track down and fix the 2 other bugs you jsut mad ewith that fix
yet nothing much seems to happen. The patches seem pretty basic without anything new Major patches?, its 2 days from release, some countries don't even have the game yet . Gameplay misses a lot of features. When was the last time something MAJOR was added into the game since Beta 3 According to game development Beta is when you fix the existing content not create new content, why create more bugs when you havent found all the old ones Most of the Demigod players have played DotA (at least a half did, like me) and I think they just like Demigod, because it brings something fresh to the table, because they got a bit bored of DotA. But now as everyone has played a bit, saw what the game offers, I think many of the DotA players will go back. Too many features are missing (FFS why isn't there an option to always show your hp/mana in numbers? It helps SO much when you don't have enough mana to cast a spell) This is a minor feature, once again the games been out 2 day, Rome and neither Dota was made in a day, it was missing many of these features when it was first released, demigod has many things dota doesn't even have. As you've seen, Demigod progresses VERY slowly, and we can expect an extra map in about half a year As opposed to Dota's 1 map in 10 years?...Some bugs and bad things have remained since the Beta. So, is this the end of Demigod?How long will it take Stardock to at least fix all the bugs? A month? P.S. And NO! I'm not a DotA fanatic. Unlike fanboys, I prefer to stand on both sides. I would be realy happy to play both Demigod and Dota, or even just Demigod, but...
Responses in red, this is simple fear mongering, sure there are a couple of bugs, however no game is perfect on release, time and time again we hear complaints like this when a game is released, no game can be tested to its full extent until release, beta only finds about 50% of the bugs, alpha find the most but those are never even seen.
That would be about 6 Senior programmers for a year games typically take 3, so thats 2 senior programmers, or 6 average programmers.
Despite the bad launch, most if not all gamers are aware of why.
Despite the so-so reviews any gamer who's spent at least a couple days on the internet can realize that reviewers at ign, gamespot (Kane&Lynch don't forget), 1up (the leaders in hypocritical reviewing), and any other site can give no more or less of an accurate appraisal than any one of us.
No campaign/singleplayer? Was there announced there would be one? Have you played a tournament?
Let me tell you a story. I'm a Too Human fan, and as we all are aware (or most of us) it had an interesting launch and development cycle. Like Demigod the reviews following release (and pre-launch reviews) were mediocre at best at the community thought the game would die.
Ironically, and despite all the bad press and community opinion sales and interest for the game are still building (although not drastically, but steadily).
Now, look at Demigod whose development history was a lot cleaner, launch was premature but not Stardock's or GPG's fault, and aside from most issues the game delivered 110% on all promises made in development.
If Too Human is still living-on, Demigod will certainly continue to live-on.
No it's not going to die quickly. But I do think long term sucess will rely quite a bit on how quickly they improve content and gameplay, not just connection issues.
Theres ltos of things lacking like replays working right, replay saying, organized pantheon teams, and just more content like more skills and improved items, or possibly item upgrading like someone suggested.
Omg I totaly rofled at this:
Are you serious? Track down one bug in 32 hours? Do you live in a cave man? I guess a team of "you"s would've developed Demigod for 100 years before the release we got.
To take Dota as an example, in 32 hours you can implement 5 heroes (actualy, you can't... I can, and that's me ALONE, as in, not in a team).
Also you said:
beta only finds about 50% of the bugs,
Ummm... NO ??????????????
Well, I mean yeah, betas may find only 50% of bugs, but I gave my NO for a different reason.
I sayd NO because most of the bugs we have today WERE FOUND DURING THE BETA *makes a very unhapy face*.
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