Yep, it seems the court ruled that their intent was to help illegally distribute copyrighted works and sentenced each of the four to 1 year in prison and a $905k fine.
Source: http://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bay-trial-the-verdict-090417/
Quite interesting, I think.
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Yeah no one can act cocky against the HOLY goverment, jeez who are you people. Slaves to the NWO and the ruling elite, I am amazed.
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So someone who produces a film with his own money (i.e., 'invests' in it) and takes a profit is stealing from himself?
How do you think the 'product' gets produced? A whole bunch of people get together & work for free for awhile? Without investor capital, nothing gets produced - no film, no 'artist.'
I find your take on this very odd. You don't want to take money from investors, don't - saying they don't deserve a profit when it was their money used to make a film is just bizarre.
"It appears that the court chose to not take any of the technical details into account and only judged based on intent."
From http://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bay-trial-the-verdict-090417/
Its a guy calling the police...
-Police office, how may I help you?
- Ya, a guy just stole a copy of my game!
- Yes, and where was the copy stored?
-On my hard disk!
-Is it still there?
-Yes, why?
-How did he steal you if the copy is still on your HD?
-Hemm, well, I honestly don't know?
I doubt it will really help them. the past has shown that when one site goes down, others take its place. as long as there is demand, there will be supply. and there will be demand with the media industry sticking to dying media a distribution models and people unwilling to give a compensation for the products they consume. not that all of the stuff would be worth it, but just not consuming az all is also an option.
I just hope this will appease them for a time, because I really, totally, absolutely do not want even tighter rules, more intrusive drm and more criminalising of paying customers. it already hurts me as hell morally to in fact buy anything from people who propose some outrageous ideas.
Strictly speaking, your "everyone" should be more like "many (or most) folks," and yes, that "sharing" was probably a violation of the letter of the law. The real question here is whether any of the few folks who could seriously claim to be conscientious (c) objectors are living up to their ideals. I have doubts about the Pirate Bay crowd in that regard, but then I haven't made a project of reading up on them in particular.
Getting convicted because you're a dick is actually a really common occurance...
Scott Peterson was convicted because he was a dick. Smug the whole way through the trial, looked as guilty as could be. There wasn't any actual proof he wacked his wife though, just proof that he was a dick. I'm pretty sure he did, but you're supposed to execute people when you're sure, not just whenever it looks like they did.
The following is from the last few paragraghs of the readme for mass effect, the part with the Trademark and Copyright.
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Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are met:- Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer.- Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution.- Neither the name of the Xiph.org Foundation nor the names of its contributors may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software without specific prior written permission.
THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS AND CONTRIBUTORS "AS IS" AND ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE FOUNDATION OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE
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ps: why isn't there a preview post?
Hmmm no. I did mean everyone.
When was the last time you or anyone you know wanted to borrow a book/game/movie and the person you were asking said "no I cant lend you that because that would infringe on the creators copyright".
Please give me a break it doesnt happen.
Now don't get me wrong these guys that ran The Pirate Bay were wanks. They think they rule the joint but their is no law against being a wank unfortunatly.
This trial is BS. Laws are being created on the fly and the outcome cannot be good for any of us!!!
JP, context is everything.
Xiph is an open source outfit. That bit is their requirement for using their source in your own project. You have to give credit and duplicate the requirements for replication. It has absolutely nothing to do with Mass Effect as a whole, just whatever components developed by the Xiph community that were used by them. It's extremely rare to find a game that has no third party software incorporated into it, and all of them have to be listed unless otherwise specified.
you sure they didn't make most of their money from sales of 'pirate bay' t-shirts?
who's gonna profit from the pirate bay movie?
Owns money? Fabricated or worked for? Won at the lottery, lucky guess on the latest plunge in markets?
Com'on - go ahead and tell me where it comes from.
In the particular situation of a Film - it's a different "investing" capitalization schema (Do some research on the subject, you'll soon find out the risk isn't shared by all involved.)
Greedy investors will stop at nothing to maximize their profits... and if they do, salaries are LOWERED to create it artificially or maintained low enough to distribute that much or sadly, more but never less.
Banks loan everyone, you, me money for interests. That's the privilege of the poor which hands over living conditions to the rich.
Governments tax all to provide social & common systems such as education & health care & roads & what else. Why should these taxes go into the deep pockets of corporate giants (call it a coincidence) like GM or free-market driven CEOs? They knew the risks, they wanted the challenge. Wrong decisions enforced them into failures and bankruptcy?
Weren't they too sharing their profits with investors, decades ago? That's theft. Organized by economic principles that puts industrialized countries an entire millenia ahead of third world & under-developped countries.
Own money? Say again.
Now if you don't get the above, nothing else will ever be bizarre enough to rationalize such realities to you.
It's called taking a risk & winning. These guys took a risk & lost.
You're one deranged dude, Zyxp.
I'm guessing this post wont be intelligent discussion. Perhaps it's just a language barrier. Are you arguing that investing with the expectation of a return on your investment is theft?
The industrialized world isn't a thousand years ahead of the third world because they stole everything. It's completely impossible to justify such a rationale. The US alone consumes more than than all of them put together produce. We power our own growth, it's not stolen from other countries. The comparatively rapid advance of capitalist societies is simple cause and effect. When you allow wealth to be obtained and put to use, you expand the scope of projects. If no one has a billion dollars, you can't do anything that needs a billion dollars. Investment puts the money where the idea is.
No one, besides the government, is forcing people to borrow money. I think the major publishers have a bad habit of being fucking retards, but they're not stealing from developers unless they actually break a contract. We all get the shaft when they force an unfinished product to market, but stupidity both on the parts of the developers for agreeing to the terms and the publishers for rushing a project do not equate to theft. If you agree to a 10% cut of the profits in return for the capital to fund a project, they aren't stealing from you. If you agree to pay interest in return for a loan, they aren't stealing from you. Even loan sharks that cut fingers off when you don't pay them back are still owed what you agreed to pay them in return for the money.
What about libraries? Their very purpose is to share books.
No, all i'm saying is that there must be a limit to profits when some of the privileged consume 20% of the world's total electrical energy output when they represent 5% of global populations. Oil? Food? Treated water?
Capitalism helping. Investors' supplemental gain integrated.
Do you work in a company? Would you want a raise in your salary? IF that money was somehow distributed fairly.
Yep, i'm soooooooo deranged - Daiwa.
So much in fact, i'm ashamed of Humanity for not putting the fist on UN conference tables and yell; ENOUGH deaths already.
These documents were bought, twice and over and in cases by public libraries.
A public library is government funded by your tax dollar.
Rather than trying to look at it from a moral standpoint, maybe you should look at it from a causal one. If people do not have to pay for digital things, then digital things have no worth. If digital things have no worth, no one will be able to make any profit off of them. If no one can make profit off of digital things, there will be no businesses making them.
Now I'm sure in the dream world of piracy, people envision that everyone will just keep making movies, games, and music for free because that somehow shows more integrity. But in reality, it can not work that way. Game developers can only spend their time devleoping games because they are paid for it. If they weren't, they'd all have to have day jobs making non-digital things, which would result in much lower productivity, and much fewer and lower quality games. The same thing is true with movies and music.
To me, it's not really a question of right or wrong. It's a question of whether I want a movie, music, and game industry to exist. I certainly do, and I feel fine with paying for what they create. And before you say that you always buy the things you like after you pirate them, sorry, but I don't belive you. I know about fifty people who claim to do that, and it's almost never actually true. Did you really pay for all the Microsoft software on your machine? Or are you allowed to use it for free all the time because it's "crap"? How many times have you played all the games you think are "crap"? Quite a few times? You've even beat some of them? Interesting.
Mixed bag here...
On the one hand, we obviously know what they intended to do with it.
The thing of the matter, though, is that they did not actually do anything. They provided a space for the sharing of files which, in Sweden, is not against the law. Their intent has absolutely nothing to do with it.
You can't punish someone for the thoughts they have when they haven't actually broken the law. That's like throwing someone in jail for saying "I could kill him!" and you all know how often people say/think things like that.
This is going over the boundary of law. I don't care about the pirating, this is about interpretation of law that sets a potentially dangerous precedent.
What is next, people being picked up off the streets for writing stupid crap in blogs? We know that happens a lot. What after that? Where does it stop? Cops show up at doors arresting people who the government thinks are thinking bad thoughts??
This is dangerous, I don't like it. Not one bit.
But you're just paranoid! Government would never do something like that... Well, they wouldn't do something like that again... Ok, maybe they wont do it eventually...
The US has the largest net surplus of food production, the US has the largest charity output, the US has the largest technology sector. The US using it's own resources is bad?
Electrical output in the US is purely from local sources with the exception of some idiot Californians that decided it was a bright idea to move the plants to Mexico so they'd pollute less. We mine our own coal, have our own wind, solar and hydro power sources, and consume vastly less than is available to be used. It's negligible. To not use it would simply put us down with the third world countries, nothing is being taken from them. At least with oil most of our supply is coming from other countries and priced by competitive bidding, but electrical generation is all home grown. Quite a bit of technology has been exported out to make the rest of the world better off too. If you're socialist to the core, then ok, with oil you've probably got a point. We produce a hell of a lot less than we use, but we are doing this funky thing in return. We're paying for it.
The rest of the world gains nothing if I stop showering, eat gruel every day, and live in a shack with no lights or air conditioning. As I'm highly unlikely to give a shit about my continued existence eating gruel in a shack with no computer and sweating my ass off, I'll probably just fuck it and do nothing, so much for what I'd produce over a life time. I'll ignore any global warming remarks.
Valid points!
You're not the first person callin' my bluff on the "Paranoid" mindset, i doubt you'll be the last either. I guess it all sums up on how we perceive miscellaneous balancing factors of local economies and what if anything is advantageous by trade affairs worldwide.
Take the EU or the US/Mexico/Canada "common markets" where some exchange barriers were delt with in order to maximize commerce, industry & fair practices... sure, we all lost some National or protectionism prides but productivity levels could at least compete with emerging countries such as China & Brazil, etc.
GNP numbers aside, i always figured Earth as a coordinated set of resources that goes where it should matter the most; wheat, rice and so on.
It still boggles me though that standard of livings are sooooo far apart in some "places"... between African famines & Hamburgers happy citizens or caviar luxury & barrels of wine in Royal castles.
I grew up in a comfy stable society where i enjoyed great education and work perspectives, all i got in return is a "sense" of contribution though. Ambitions or not, you got to admit that survival instincts does bad things to those who envy such potential(s).
Energy is one thing, abusing *it* another; Nuclear reactors produce waste though and some of THAT plutonium the US had to purchase (while Russia had to dig for it) -- what's the latest figures on their cumulative deficits? 10+ trillions or somethin' and counting? Maybe someday, they'll have (as in technologically advanced US) to refund it.
Someone has to take the lead however artificial it may seem to others.
Gee, i suddenly realize how far off-topic we went.
Oh, yes - now i remember - Pirates, online and P2P tricks of the bandwidths... at least none of those are working for any governments, right?
Except that PIRACY IS THEFT! But, you know, tell yourself otherwise if it makes you feel better. How come your 'logic' only applies to stuff on the internet and not a store? I mean, what's the difference between pirating an album/game and ripping it off from a store? Wait, I know! The former you won't get caught, the latter you will!
Not really. Pirates don't take anyone's possesions -- all the copies of the game that were legally put up for sale are still there when the pirates get finished. They're violating copyright, which is different (that's why there are a different set of laws for theft versus copyright infringement.) I don't think what they do is right, morally speaking, but just mindlessly equating it to theft isn't helpful either. I think it's more like jumping the fence at a concert. You didn't steal anyone's ticket, but you're also not authorized to be there and are clearly doing something immoral by not paying and not gaining admittance the legal way.
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