Yep, it seems the court ruled that their intent was to help illegally distribute copyrighted works and sentenced each of the four to 1 year in prison and a $905k fine.
Source: http://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bay-trial-the-verdict-090417/
Quite interesting, I think.
Demos these days? SP only with one map, one side, not all units etc. etc. etc.?Or MP only, in which you can't test anything of the SP functionality?Or even beta demos, demos not based on the final build of the game, that may contain bugs or other elements not present in the final product??? (Codemasters have done that a lot of times, amongst others.)But I agree with the concept, although a time-limited full version of the game would be far, far better, as this allows a player to fully evaluate the game, the concept and the overall impression.
Unfortunately, there are way too few options to sharing/pirating and simple demos. A time-limited version would be damn sweet, which you could then upgrade to a full version, at a reduced cost compared to a store version ofc. (The industry has to see that, even if that'd reduce store sales. People aren't dumb enough to buy games online if they're overpriced.)AND; make all options available in all (or more at least) regions, not just the US. Too many distributors of games/movies/music already do this, and this only upsets and frustrates the end user. The industry has to learn how to get real international solutions out there, as the web isn't really national...
Stardock has the right idea, for sure. Added value to genuine copies of a product is definately worth something, and it makes more people want to buy the product. Also, a competitive pricing is important. If the concept got bigger and more spread, Stardock with Impulse could go a long way, and I truly hope that means the end of the traditional distribution system that most companies use these days. Unfortunately this is a huge market change, and many gaming stores have opened over the years. If digital distribution were to take over 100% of the market, they'd be out of business. But as the distribution system is organized these days, something needs to change. EA/Activision/Blizzard/THQ etc. etc. etc. shouldn't be taking all the money (or the great majority of it), which is the case today, just because they're distributing the product someone else created, especially not if it's distributed digitally, as their costs decrease drastically. (While the developers' costs are pretty much constant.)
That's probably the issue, the distributors are afraid to lose their market share, their money, their position and ultimately their very existence with the technology development. They certainly aren't doing anything to prevent their downfall though... Opression, mafia methods, law creation etc. (á la North Korea/China/Soviet Union) is definately not the solution.
Go tell that to the crews of parked boats off the coast of Somalia and they'll shoot you on site - if armed enough to fight back.
I think you'll find very few people enjoy buying a piece of software or music only to find out it it's a piece of junk, but your argument is quite frankly irrelevant. It is no matter of yours whether someone downloading a game ultimately caused them to buy it. The point is whoever owns the IP has the right to decide how and when it should be distributed. If that owner decides not to allow people to "share" it even if doing so would increase sales that's still their decision to make as it is their hard work that went into creating those simple 1s and 0s.
Not really. Using a provocative name and ridiculing companies that believe the law works differently than it does may be distasteful, but it is not illegal. So they should not be legally punished for it. As said, it's not like the founder of google is held responsible for linking to copyrighted material. And General Motors arent held responsible for supplying cars to people that COULD commit a crime in them.
Piratebay is not only filled with illegal torrentz fyi.
Now if I am full aware of the effects of copyrighted material, I make my living producing music and selling albums and people downloading is very hurtful for my economics, but this shit that the facist bully companies are pulling off. Is just wrong.
Hey, that was almost funny...
In theory, your point is very valid. But let's go to a deeper, philosophic state of the issue; why should people be denied something that doesn't cost anyone anything to supply them? (Except the sharer.) If they wouldn't have bought it, none of the outcomes would incur any loss at all. We're talking about the human race, and culture, music, games, movies etc. increases well-being, understanding, intellectual stimuli etc. etc. (Philosophic mumbo-jumbo, but still there's a certain amount of truth in it.) Should that be denied to people who wouldn't have bought it anyway just because the IP owner doesn't want them to have it? Gee, humanity hasn't come very far...
So by your logic, I can come to your house, copy your credit card, banking statements, social security, etc, and then use that to go on a massive shopping spree, but its not stealing because I copied all that stuff.
You do realize there are other crimes than stealing in the world. *sigh* Post considered null and void.
Bah, I rest my case, I've got better things to do than debate the being or non-being of piracy and distribution systems. It's very nice to see people with good arguments though, both pro- and con-. Respect
Here is the list of who will they will be in debt to:
Sony Music Entertainment (Sweden): 468 000 kronor
Universal Music: 156 000 kronor
Playground Music Scandinavia: 156 000 kronor
Bonnier Amigo Music Group: 102 000 kronor
EMI Music Sweden: 264 000 kronor
Warner Music Sweden: 54 000 kronor
Yellow Bird Films: 484 920 kronor
Warner Bros Entertainment: 592 000 konror
Columbia Pictures: 333 500 kronor
Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation: 333 500 kronor
Mars Media Beteiligungs GmbH & Co Film Productions: 333 500 kronor
Blizzard Entertainment Inc: 25 000 kronor
Activision Publishing Inc: 12 500 kronor
Wow, if youre shopping up all the money, it wont be there anymore. Hence its stealing. It's not like copying a music album which will result in the album still being there for whomever you copied it from.
It's a sad, sad day that Sweden is ahead of the US in the protection of intellectual property, although I am grateful at least SOMEONE is treating copyright infringement as it should be - not as a civil matter between the owner and the guy distributing it, but as a crime against the government that issued the copyright. It's much like being charged with contempt of court; their actions are not just saying "copyright owners have no rights," they are saying "the state has no power to give copyright owners rights, and I won't respect those rights even if they are given."
For the same reason someone shouldn't be allowed to walk into my home and take a nap on the floor when I don't allow him in. It doesn't cost me anything for someone to take a nap on my floor without my permission. But it's my floor. I own it. If I decide to share it or give it away to whomever to sleep on it then that's my choice. But if I haven't done so then no one else has the right to just help himself to it.
If this was true and the law didn't work the way publishers are using it, then the publishers would be the ones in the defendent's chairs.
But since that isn't happening..
Alright then, but what if someone was to copy your floor and set it up somewhere else and then sleep on it? Big issue it must be for you, huh? That's the same thing, not the way you mentioned it. the 1s and 0s are IP = Intellectual Property, your floor is simply Property.
Should that be denied to people who wouldn't have bought it anyway just because the IP owner doesn't want them to have it? Gee, humanity hasn't come very far..
Hey, not soooo fast.
You had plenty of opportunities to give opinions and now you'd leave the debate as soon as the going gets tough?
You still have NO case.
As for humanity not getting very far, i can only imagine some sail boats of the 17th century hunting down gold & jewels (previously owned by the Azteq or Mayan civilizations) off Spain fleets and i wouldn't be far either. Are we AT war against Pirates? Maybe. Take sides, then we'll speak.
The analogy is simple cuz it's direct and explicit - press FF on your cassette tape recorders, please - as much as the nature of these activities.
How many Mp3s preciously designed were bought and still served as putting AC/DC or Metallica (etc, btw) back in recording studios? Zero or much more than none?
That's the case, some or any distribution methods included.
These analogies are stupid and pointless. It all comes down to the fact that someone put a lot of work into the creation of something without equitable compensation for it. A game being bad, or you "only trying it" doesn't suddenly alleviate all or even a portion of the time and effort put into said product. It may not be stealing, but pirating is the perverbial spit in the face to a content's creator.
EDIT: Just to put a little more thought into this, so my thought isn't completely contrued: Creators != Publishers. There's a certain...stranglehold (stardock excluded as far as I can tell) that publishers have over content creators that's just as damaging to creations as pirating. While pirating can the spit in the face of a free creator, publishers can be the warden to the enslaved creator.
We have the means and the tools to prevent such social misfits from ever sending us all back to the Dark Ages, though.
This discussion has turned into a pointless validation of personal behaviors, the Law caught the criminals.
The punishment is clear - cope with it - for & against. Good or bad for any reasons.
Won't stop true consumers from spending how they please.
Not another one...
Ignoring that the ruling is apparently in conflict with Swedish law and seems to have been pulled out of the judges ass, they did get what was coming to them. Although some undefined portion of the copyright infringment is also what's coming to the offended parties. I don't see the Starforce founders and Sony executives getting jail time for violating laws all over the world, or upper management at EA and Ubisoft for using illegal and undisclosed protection schemes. It's a rather one sided affair when you're putting people in jail for fictitious crimes because they're doing something that's viewed as wrong while ignoring the indiscretions of the targets of their wrong doings.
If something isn't actually illegal, it's wrong to convict a person, morality is largely subjective, legality is supposed to be cut and dry. The issue of copyright infringment is irrelevant to the event, this is a problem.
Siddy, you know them Jews don't actually run the world, right? You're not supposed to be stuck on 80 year old propaganda still. Only retards believed that shit even when it was a new idea. By now it's right up there with the moon being made of cheese.
Now, here's an opinion by psychoak which i've learned to highly respect from the clear wordings shown in many earlier intelligent discussions over the past few years!
My issue is more the fact they were profiting from things that were not theirs.
I can see copyright infringement in some situations- such as product not being offered in your country, or being butchered in your country. You can't steal profits that aren't being sought. To me, it's not the product being stolen, it's the potential profit from the game. If you're not selling, I don't think companies have a particular right to complain. (This isn't a problem with Stardock I think- except for those countries that Stardock isn't allowed to sell to like Cuba)
Reselling of copyright infringed goods is piracy to me outright.
Ok, maybe it wasn't the best analogy... How about if I counterfeit money? No other money is taken to make it, and all I'm doing is copying real money, so its ok, right?
This is what concerned me the most:
Can anyone with knowledge of law say if that statement is true? Also, did the court take intent into account in their decision? As all I can find is:
If the court didn't make a statement about how intent was a factor in its decision, wouldn't that set a precedent that intent doesn't matter in these types of cases(if it doesn't then Google should be just as guilty)?
Well considering that is exactly what the Federal Reserve is doing, which is NOT a government institution but a private company....... I guess it IS ok ?
The guys deserved it - They acted incredibly cocky during the entire trail.
I used to pirate quite a lot - than I got a job. Now I only pirate to check an artist out, or if a game does not have a good demo.
There are a lot of quality music sites now, that let you listen to artists which is a great preview tool. These services are constantly getting better.
Sadly, there's still a blank area in previewing music for indie artists, excluding their best songs. I'm tired of paying $15 for an album with 1 good song on it.
While piracy isn't theft, it denies the devoloper a good source of income. If you don't think a game is worth buying, but is worth playing than you are a thief in my books. If it isn't worth your money than don't play it.
If demigod doesn't have a demo out by the end of the month I'll probably download it to test it out myself. If I like it, I'll buy it. If I don't, it gets uninstalled.
Last time I heard SHARING was not an illegal practice & everyone ( I DO MEAN EVERYONE ) has at 1 point in time or another shared a DVD/CD/CASETTE/GAME with someone.
Does that mean we are all guilty of copyright infringment?
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