You know the people that made the Sins of a Solar Empire may have been on to something. How far can we actually advance in technology.
As everyone knows we have not learned nearly as much of the briain as we have our own solar system. I mean technology can only go so far right?
If we were to know everything that there was in the brain that would be like the story of Adam and Eve in the garden of eden. It was said and written there; that as Eve sinned to have eaten upon the fruit that had all knowledge of good and evil prompted by the serpeant and Adam to have eaten the fruit as well. They had gained all knowledge. And if that were true that would explain why they didn't use technology such as ours or create such things becuase they wouldn't have the problems as we do today.
What do you think?
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On a more serious note though, I could be wrong (my bibles are in the other room and I'm tired), but I don't think it says Adam and Eve learned EVERYTHING. Just what we today consider 'sentience.'
What happened with Adam and Eve is that in taking this fruit they took upon themselves the right to decide what is right and wrong. In essence they told God to shove off and that they could figure out the best way to live themselves and did not need Him who created them to tell them the best way of living. Basically like telling your mechanic you know more than him though he went to school and learned how and you dont know what a wrench does.
As to how far we can go. I think we need some serious help and guidelines.
This does not mean told every little detail but rather a set of guidelines that keeps us from killing ourselves but still have the joy of exploring our universe.
and I thought I had cracked out post
my bible said that adam and eve gained knowledge and wisdom, something that prior to eating from that tree belonged only to god, which is what made him so angry. They didn't gain all of it, but the ability to possess it in the 1st place.
Also, I blame Lilith
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Yep. But 500 years ago mankind knew Sun rotated around the flat Earth, 150 years ago we knew no machine heavier than the air could fly, and 15 years ago maybe 5 your neigbours would read what you wrote.
Just keep giving science enough money and it will provide more and more knowledge. With enough time we'll know almost everything about everything. However mankind will never know everything. Our universe doesn't work that way.
BR, Iztok
I know therefore i am (or will be!).
God made man in his own image. -- generic religious quote.
They will walk amongst the stars like gods. -- Mimbari ambassador talking about Terrans in the show Babylon 5.
Considering the human body (and therefor God) is a deeply flawed, jack of all trades, master of none biomechanical device that eventually breaks of its own accord unless near constantly tended too over its short working life. I have more faith in Babylon 5.
Wanna get slapped by several million tons of hurtling rock and the resulting mess from it hitting our homeworld? Didn't think so. GTF out of the gravity well then. The colonisation of space, deep space and other worlds is the only sure fire way to make sure our species doesn't become extinct. We may fight it, but survival is built in to us from the ground up (God was a blood thirsty survivalist to boot), therefor it will happen. Perhaps not in my life time, but it will happen.
ohh thats funny
the bible says that god is perfect, we are not. God is holy, and we are not. i wont get into "blood thirsty" because no matter what i say u guys will still say that he is bloodthirsty.
The bible also says that Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowldge of good and evil. which is basicly saying that they are God, which got us into this mess in the first place.ie:our ability to know what is right and wrong. but we dont know everything, which is why we need god to tell us what is right and wrong.
ahh, probably offended people right there, oh well idc
God is perfect. Man is not. Man is perfecting ways to repair the body, replace worn joints, musscles and organs. Both mechanical and organic in nature.
God knows all that there is to comprehend. Man is learning, sometimes slowly sometimes quickly.
God said let there be light and stars were born. Man is working on perfecting nuclear fussion, which is how stars work.
God created man. Man is working on genetic engineering to create new forms of life.
We can't build a pocket universe in six days... YET.
If you are religious and believe in the existence of one or more Gods... God (The Gods) created Man (i.e. Human, Terran, whatever you want to call us) in his own image. With everything those words, in that order, implies. We will become Gods in our own right one day.
To suggest otherwise is to ignore the works of your God(s) and I believe that's a sin?
It also says there is a big layer of water above the atmosphere.
And that the reason we speak different langauges is because some people decided to build tall building. Tall meaning as tall as one can get with 'mud bricks,' since they will collapse under their own weight fairly quickly; a new york city skyscraper would be taller. Oops! I guess god failed on that suppression attempt!
Science has proven that the water content in the atmosphere was much greater many years ago than today, especially when the earth was still in its formative years.
He change the languages because they were voilating his command to spread out over the earth, not settle in one massed area. The building of towers was for their own glory as one united people.
I don't care how great the 'water content of the atmosphere' was. There was no layer of water above it. It is physically impossible. Not to mention just plain silly. There is no layer of water there now. This means it would have had to fall at some point. Now, when anything falls from orbit (the only sensible place for water to be if it is above the atmosphere and not falling) it creates MASSIVE friction with the atmosphere as it comes down. So be the time it hit the ground, it would have been superheated and quite litterally would scald life out of existance.
So what about the langauges that were not created then? For example, the one you are reading right now. They came about the same way every other language came about. Through a slow evolutionary process in which speech changes to the people's needs. Look at English; no one just flat out switched from 'old English' to modern English. And it continues to change to this day. 'Irregular' words which do not conform to the general rule are mostly leftovers from previous variations of English. Languages now very rarely arrise, since there is nowhere on Earth (that I know of) in which a language does not exist and so no new are needed. Rather they come from blending and mixing other languages. This is why American English differs from English is various ways. Language itself originates from a need to communicate. The only real difference from the grunts, squeaks, chirps, barks, ect made by other animals and human speech is the level of sophistication. Most other animals convey primarily information about physical objects (such as a predator 15 meters away or a food source nearby). The biggest difference is that we are capable of abstract thought and so have come up with sounds (words) to represent these additional thoughts. There is nothing magical about language, it is merely how we convey what we are thinking in aproximate terms. If some god was to really confuse language, he would have done it in such a way that we would not be able to communicate ever again.
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There is nothing magical about language, it is merely how we convey what we are thinking in aproximate terms.
That all depends on your definition of magic. The right words spoken at the right time can change the world. For instance if I say the word 'Cheeseburger' it might bring up old buried memories of you having dinner as a child or you might have flashes of McDonald's. You might have an eww moment because you can't stand the taste of beef or it might trigger a vegetarian outburst. Or it could make your stomach growl. Causing someone an experience just by speaking a single word is close enough to being magic for me.
For a water layer above the earth, first, who said it had to be a solid layer?? what if the ice was spread over a couple of hundered miles difference of orbiting distance from geosyncronious orbit? This would dispell the effects of solar radiation and would still be considered water. The falling of misc ice pieces would also account for the heightened water content in the atmospere.
This would also acount for some of the craters in the moon, probabilly one of ur next points...
Second, where do u think the water for the flood came from?? The fountians of the deep opened and it rained for fourty days and nights. And life preety much died, except on the ark and various places in the sea.
For language, yes language changes over time but when God changed the language he did it not only to give the glory to him, but to stop our progression as a people. NIV, Genesis 11:66 The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. So there is a limit on our technology progression.
Qualifers: this is going on the bible as gods inspired word and that every word in it is true. Of course certian posters do not believe this...
Ps: next to last post on this topic, sometimes u just cant convince people
The Book of Genesis
1:In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2:And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3:And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4: And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5: And God called the light Day, and the darkess he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. 6: And God said let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.(That is for the evolutionist who had know clue what he was talking about!) 7: And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8: And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. 9: And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land Earth; and it was so.
If you'd like to know more about the first 7 days of our earth then you can check the Book of Genesis in the Holy Bible.
Um, how did this go from being about technology to being a Creationist debate?
from the third, sixth, eighth, and ninth posts
(btw this does not count as my last post)
Why should I read a book of poetry when I want to know about history?
Because some people see a bible quote / reference and immediately decide it's time to start thumping the stupid thing.
To answer that question if you actually read; the people before me were; as you may say confused or really wanted to bust on religion like the evolutionist guy up top a bit but, yea this is supposed to be a technology debate but, as you can see if there is just a little bit of religion in there people really come down hard on it and to answer another question why there was bible verses was to answer or stop other people from making the same question over and over agian. Maybe our generation is becoming more and more dumbed down. You tell me. But understand this its always a good time to talk about religion because maybe it could answer some of your own questions.
Actually, people keep getting smarter thanks to the fact that most of us live in "1st world countries", made possible by application of science. Religion is useful for answering philosophical questions and help people deal with their mortality, but one really shouldn't take the creation stories seriously. Who really believes the earth is only few thousands of years old? (I know some do, i also know of the "Flat Earth society" )
To set matters straight, if I may, those creations stories, if you take out the time frame issue, are completely scientificly accurate. There is even a point when speaking of animals the word "kinds" is in loosely translated from a Hebrew that points to a base animal not a specific animal, in other words God created a family set not a species set. This allows for evolution to exist.
Alos the only point in the bible where the it can be twisted to say the Earth is flat is in the book of Psalms which is a book of poetry and song. In the book of Isaiah, a much more serious book, it uses a Hebrew word that means circle or sphere.
As to technology I feel God meant for us to explore the universe but that we need guidance so that we dont kill ourselves (Nuclear Holocast, global warming, and anything else no thought of yet). The whole garden of eden issue was not whether or not we could have knowledge but whether or not we had the right to choose for ourselves without the help of God what do with the knowledge we would discover.
They are called CLOUDS. Water DOES actually exist in the atmosphere, you know.
"1:In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2:And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3:And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4: And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5: And God called the light Day, and the darkess he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. 6: And God said let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.(That is for the evolutionist who had know clue what he was talking about!) 7: And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8: And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. 9: And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land Earth; and it was so."
And thus you come to yet another problem with this book. Not every version says the same thing. Here is what the one sitting in from of me says:
"1:In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2:Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. 3:And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4: God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5: God callede the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening and there was morning - the first day. 6: And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." 7: And so God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8: God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning - the second day. 9: And God said, " Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so. 10: God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw that is was good."
As you can see, there are 2 different instances which you have combined together. It would seem you must either A: concede one of bibles is incorrect or B: concede that you incorrectly typed up your version, and so it does say there is water above the sky.
My point of this post and my previous, however, is that no book is completely infallible. Using a single reference for a research paper will greatly diminish the possible scope and depth your paper could have; the same goes for life. I have no problem with religion of any sort as long as they do not try to undermine the foundations of the society in which we live. These basic foundations are what make modern life what it is. They are why I am able to sit here on my computer and type over the internet. Things such as the freedom of speech, life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, freedom of religion, and our ability to use scientific reasoning to discover answers about the universe.
And now that we have gone on long enough, I suggest we both get back on topic instead of derailing this thread into a philosophical debate (that's what Newsvise is for after all).
Problem with that! If you say that we must get on topic then you'd have to start that yourself not continue the conversation that we're doing right now. Also theres a point C. Do not consist that two saying can't come out to the same meaning. But I do say that there are some bibles out there called bibles but are not. There are some religions or as some may say cults as well that add or take things out of context of the bible. Such as I'm sorry if I offend people Mormons and or Catholics. Some Catholics believe that good works saves you and you could goto heaven or paying your toll or even telling the priest to ask for your forgiveness of your own sins but, if you read carefully at the versus in the bible in the new testament you'll see not all of what they say are correct or so that I'm notblasting at the catholics the belief for mormons on only around like 40,000 poeple are able to goto heaven which sonds like something from Revelation where there were a select few pure and virgin and such you probably need to look into the bible more or if you think its wrong look at another one and see the similarities.
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