If you could stand to watch thIe chosen one’s speech last night, it was quite horrifying, at least to anyone who values prosperity and small government. I don’t know what was worse, listening to Obama or watching Pelosi stand up with that loony smile every 5 seconds.
In his speech, Obama confirmed what we knew all along, that he is a socialist, and that he is a liar.
Obama promised free college to everyone, free healthcare, free energy, and all the other liberal goodness that almost made Pelosi explode. Of course with that, come higher taxes. Now he tried to brush off the higher taxes nonsense, but the fact is the people he is aiming at are small business owners, they are people who invest into things like jobs, and he want to tax them.
He went on to proclaim that government is your only hope, and while saying he doesn’t like “big government”, he is proposing the largest increase ever which will cost an unbelievable amount of money. The worst part is watching the applause while Obama plots the downfall of our economy, and our wallets.
The text of the speech: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-of-President-Barack-Obama-Address-to-Joint-Session-of-Congress/
I kept shaking my head incredulously. The fact that people were applauding so much made me ill.
The fact is that I'll actually benefit from a bunch of his proposals . . I would happily give them up if it would stop them for everyone else.
I hope mid-term elections are all about "change".
I think Obama had Pelosi's remote vibrator control in his hand....scary.
she shoulda complained bout hers not being nearly as robust as jindal's. living proof of the inherent danger of combining boehner, a couple car batteries hooked in series, a sybian and lil bobby on mardi gras
It will take another Reagan to put the pieces back together again after this fiasco, the sad part? we don't have one.
Would that qualify as being a racist or does that only apply to Obama?
you're gonna need to be a lil more clear as to which part of "that" you're referring.
I'm guessing your all rich republicans by your post
you folks had 8 yr's of letting the rich have their way and where are we
1. all our jobs are now over sea's so the rich could make a few more dollars
2.the economy is in the shitter yet you still feel your right
3. we fought a war in Iraq that was not called for , why? so haliburton could get rich!!
I don't know 5% of the people making all the choices for 100% of the people just isn't right we got lobbyist paying congressmen to vote for big buissness instead of how the people want [like they would know once elected they never ask us again]
you got Rupert Murdock controlling over75% of the news people see [ so we see republican lies instead of the truth]
I don't know that 5% makes 90% of the money[off the poor] so I think they should pay more they take more don't they?
I think free for poorer people is good after all do I deserve less medical care if sick than the rich , just because I'm poor ? should they just let me die?
you complain about the people who can't make their morgages claiming they couldn't afford it in the first place
I'm sure you relizes most of these people just wanted a loan and went to a bank and asked
now the bank say's you can or can't afford this and whether or not you get the loan so
if they gave out bad loans its because of their greedy thoughts of Ohhh we can make more money if we loan more , and of course If these people weren't losing their jobs because of your policy's maybe they could make their payments
No In my opion you republicans should shut the hell up for the next 4 yrs at least and give this man a chance after all 8 yr's of your crap got us here in the first place
and the rich well think on this could they be rich with out us poor?
could they survive if all us poor died tomorrow?....no
now think this if all the rich and powerful died tomorrow would the poor survive?
hell yes because we're use to doing without and in time [a short time I'm sure] some of the poor works would reopen the factory's and probly be happy to make less profit and would probly pay their worker a more fair wage and benifit package leading to a great economy
after all that's where this country started
a bunch of poor farmers ect... tired of the bullshit law's of england
and check history you'll see what we did to get out from under them
the same in time could be true for the rich in the country now [5% of the people]
they could easly be over thrown by the poor [95% of the people]
think about it folk's 5% that has never fought to live verses 95% who fight daily to live
hate to break it to you but you rich would be dead in hour's maybe minutes
so before you go back to buissness as usual keep in mind this man has gave the poor hope they haven't had in over 200 yr's
and a little hope goes a long way .....ask George Washington , Thomas Jefferson , or Abe Lincon
I'm not trying to start a movement[ someone has beat me to it ]or make threats
I'm just saying wake up and smell the coffee
before your wearing it !!!!!
Does it matter? Any criticism of Obama during the campaign was labeled by some as racism. Will that standard be extended to Jindal? (and no, I'm not suggesting your a racist, just demonstrating how easily that can be applied when the shoe is on the other foot)
Then that would be your first incorrect assumption.
I can't speak for you or anyone else, but I was doing well until the Democrats gained control of Congress in 2006.
So do you feel better now that 5% just put your children and grand children in debt in the last few days? IMO people will be looking back at the Bush years as the good old days before long.
Oh what unit were you in? How did your tour go in Iraq? Or are you one of those that use the word "we" while sitting back home and letting others do the job? (My thanks to you for your service if you fall under one or more of the first two questions I asked). I love this short term memory concerning Iraq. Let me refresh you. Iraq could have avoided the war by complying with the UN resolutions set forth (and didn't have the courage to enforce). Saddam thought the US was bluffing and weak, like Europe (if only he could have held out until this weak administration). I guess Saddam is blameless for his actions in your opinion? Don't worry enemies of the us are sleeping much easier these days.
Were is the argument the US attacked Iraq for the oil? That rant was pretty popular with the left in 2003.
You seem to have the lefts talking points down pat. Post it back up in three years verbatim and we'll have a look at them then (I'll be here). I could go down your list, but what would be the purpose? I'm not going to change your mind, nor do I care to. Sit back and see what your folks in government now do for you. Good luck with that.
I'll do it just for the fun of it.
qualifying a statement with "by some" expands its scope to the point of absurdity because if even one person did, in fact, characterize any criticism of obama as racism your claim cannot be refuted.
effective for framing ridiculous charges? sure works for yours.
seriously erodes your credibility? that too.
in any event, it's not accurate by any reasonable standard
if it were true, i'd hope so. either way, you've done your part to trivialize racism.
mighty white of you.
more like demonstrating a lack of objectivity and your willingness to sacrifice rationality in the cause of partisan poliics
Acually I servered from 79-82 , a week after 9/11 I call the reciuter and tried to offer my services , but since I was a single parent it wasn't worth the cost/trouble to them a few years later or a few yr's ago depends on how you look at it after she was grown I offered my service again , but I was to old I'm 47 yr's old so say what you want I have served and will serve if needed as far as why we went , say what you want , but the truth is because Saddam tried to kill Bushes Daddy and his buddy's haliburton could make lot's of money
if you want to give reasons we should of gone try because he was gasing his people or maybe the thousands he shot and buried in mass graves
the money spent in last few weeks let's see
ones alot will help the poor which in turn could lead to them spending more money which would help pay the bill
let's spend more how bout on wind , water and solar energy ......why ?
because starting now would put our kids and grand kid's ahead in the long run
and how bout the rich or I'll narrow it down to the super rich
they got so damn rich off this country and it's people so yes I feel they ought to pay more.......lot's more!!! hell how much do you need these multi-billionaires have enough money for their grand kids , grandkids will be rich
where will they be if the rest of us can't afford a house ,food ect........
you know I guess I see the rich like king's and there was 2 kinda king's
those who felt they were royal to beservered by the people
and then the good ones who felt there royalty was provied by the people , so there job was to be sure the peole had freedom and all the things they needed....in other words they shared the wealth !!
well as it is now we only have the illusion of freedom and bushes home land security laws have made sure of that!!!!
but you'll believe what you want
And the people just took the banks word for it without using a calculator first. Sounds like your average Obama voter.
Wow, I was about to make comments on foot69 post but I realized this person is nothing but a nut case who thinks that 95% or the American population is poor. A guy who thinks if all rich people died that the poor would survive but the rich would not survive without the poor. And these are the people who voted for Obama. God help us.
I am solidly middle clas but would like to be among the rich someday. I plan on doing it by hard work. I don't want hand-outs now and I don't want to be forced to give them later.
I am a father. I want to give my kids a better country than I have. I want them to have a better everything.
The policies of this administration 1) make it harder to teach my kids that they control their destiny; and 2) set a good baseline for improvement. It's a mixed blessing.
the main thing I'm saying is the most well to do have profited the most from this country so they should pay the most when it's in trouble especialy when it's the laws they wanted passed to help make them rich , that have caused the trouble in the first place
Regan busted the unions and crushed Russia 1 great thing [Russia ] 1 bad [the unions]
then if paying less and and making more wasn't enough for them they decieded to ship all the factory jobs over sea's
my little town [30,000 people] had a gm plant 3 hyster plants and a G.E. plant
all gone the minute they could move to mexico and china , now we warehouse and serve fast food way to go Regan
speaking of China didn't we just borrow trillions from them the same money you people are complaining about?
well if we didn't send them all our jobs they wouldn't have the money we would and we wouldn't be borrowing it
come on guy's it's common sence , so what it cost more to pay the american worker
at least the money would stay in country
you truly think we as a people control our own destiny?
I'll agree to a point we do as far as some things go , like where we'll borrow money , or where we shop , and if your famly has some money maybe where you go to school
but the truth is the world is controled by a hand full of very rich and powerfull people who don't give a shit about you , me or your kid's [sorry to say]
they only care about power and money , it been that way a long time
I once heard if you want to know why something is happening your un-clear about follow the money
well follow the money in Iraq
or tell me why we quit chasing Osama Bin Laden
a special force team was on the news a while back saying they could see Osama back in the tora bora day's and could of had him in a few minutes but were called off and told to stand down
Humm.......sounds odd to me
Or how bout Regan bush and Clinton and the cocaine and gun's deal back in Iran contra times ?
search the videos on the link I'm not sure which video , but it's there
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=oliver+north+Iran+contra+hearings&aq=f
I know you tube but since there recording of actual testimony you might want to watch till you find the part where Regan lie's about Gun's for Hostages and then Goes back later and say's we did but he didn't know
and Oliver north saying we Flew C130's full of Cocaine into Arkasas were at times Bill Clinton then Govener and C.I.A director George Bush Sr. would meet us then we'd off load the coke and load the plane with gun's and send them back
then watch the movie the "great white hope" and pay attention to the part about who supplied the coke to the first crack dealer and who taught him how to make it [C.I.A.]
then watch farther when they try and find the agent and surprize he's dead...gun shot to the back of the head...........Oh yeah and it was called suicide........right!!!
So that's 3 corupt Presidents peddling shit to our kids and lying
and Olvire North must of Known way more because even after saying those things he was given a better job instead of retiered
also follow the money there
lying ...let's see Clinton said"I smoked but I didn't inhale"
so either he's stupid [everybody inhales if they take it or they just say no and don't take it] or a lier
I'll bet lier
Bush jr said he never did
even though there's testimony from school mates plus police records
simply a lier [no suprize there]
Obama said he did and he inhaled
at least he's honest on that subject something the last 2 [that we know off] never were
look I'm just saying follow the money and then the fact's
don't believe these people none of them poiticions all lie including Obama I'm sure
just do your self a favor and look into some of this and you'll find more
then you decide
and as far as the rich paying more to fix this country I love
they have more so they should ..hell every body should but to do that we have to get everybody a job
you know if Ben Frankin , Thomas Jefferson and George Washington where to see this country now and how the laws are twisted and abused to serve those they now do , and how our freedoms have been crippled they would be turning in their Graves
Foot69 ill give you the benifit of the doubt and think your just sick of politics.
MY fear is that this country is going to socailism so fast people dont realize it. The problem is the media and for the most part the general public cant seem to look at the big picture. If you put all the peices together.... you will see we are now in the very fast lane with no cars ahead of us. Is there someone out ? I am sure there is ...but here is the problem:
Saying and doing will not get them elected. For years now the public has been "groomed" for this kind of gov we are getting now. Look no further than the joke of a school system we have. I mean there is no losing? WTF.... isnt 95% of life about losing?This is just one example.
Now for the part I dont like. The rich should not PAY MORE because they have more. They already DO pay more than a person making say...20K a year. Your penalizing being sussefull....I made a joke the other day at another fourm but Cali leagiling pot, and someone said that they could become rich if they opened their own shop and sold it. I fired back and said no you wont because at the rate that the politicans are going.... it wont pay and you wont become rich.
Also, the sensless spending the gov is on too.... I mean.... if the gov for ONCE would spend wisely... I make give a little on the whole tax thing. The problem is, they are not. I am concidered "middle class/low middle class"but damn it I can live withen my means. I dont take on debt, nor should I have to pay for morons that have.
On top of that, the gov ran health care...boy o boy. I am sorry but I have my own medical at work. I dont want the gov garbage. I pay 30 something a week for premium FAMILY covrage... now if they take that away from me and place the gov garbage on me... how much more in taxes will this take from me? Im betting more than 30 bucks.
I work hard for what I have. No one has a right to have MY money that i worked so hard for. I dont mind giving a helping hand here and there... but the way its goning its " well you have more than me so I am going to take 50% of what you have and give to me, even if i didnt earn it" which is BS. Work ...make a life for yourself. what is mine is MINE...not yours
Typical denier blinded by Obamas holy light, it's OK for the left to do it not the right. One just had to turn on the TV during the campaign to see it all in it's glory.
Can't say the same for you, sorry.
Blah, blah, blah Translation: Do as we say not as we did or we'll cry about it When have you be Objective in any of your posts? I'll be one of the first to say the Republicans screwed the pooch. You and your fellow Obama true believers see no fault on the left what so ever.
pssst, dude you hypocrisy smells, take a shower.
foot69 it appears (from your written words) you have little grasp of basic economics. Let me ask you this. Do you buy gas, groceries, hell anything for the highest price you can find?
I'll bet the answer is No. But you expect business to pay that high salary to those GM and GE workers in your town, while paying the highest corporate tax in the free world? Do you really wonder why companies move overseas? Do you think it's on a whim or for better weather or something? It's to lower their taxes and labor costs, then sell the product, not in the country it's made -people there can't afford it, back in the US to folks living better than the rest of the world all while bitching they don't earn enough.
90% of businesses in the US are small businesses and hire the greatest portion of workers in the nation. These businesses fall under your presidents definition of "rich". They are too small or service orientated to move away, so they have to do one of the following when your president raises their taxes:
1. Raise the price of their product or service - This might make them less competitive with similar businesses that can absorb costs.
2. Let some workers go- This is exactly what is happening. Cheaper to pay one person overtime than two people a regular wage.
3. Cut corners on materials and services - A possible short term gain, but a huge risk and recipe for failure.
4. Go out of business. Then that's one less of the 5% that pay 60% of the taxes.
So who is really going to pay for the "rich's" tax increase, you and me that's who. In higher prices or lost jobs. Of course if your perception of "rich" is the Paris Hilton types (I have no love for these folks myself) think of how many people they employ in the course of their day to day lives. Many more than you or I will employ in our entire life time. These type of rich folks will likely keep money in the US, but have no issues flying abroad for months or longer and hiring locals there to do their nails, drive their cars, clean their pools, etc.. It's still jobs taken from US workers.
Obama's description of "rich" makes no determination between the person working hard for the money or someone that has come into money. The later's money is working for them and can do it just as easily from a foreign bank as on in the US. As for the working "rich" you see McDonald's, for example, as a huge company when in reality each store is owned and operated by a business man/woman. They are the ones taking the risk and paying the taxes and employees. They are the ones that will be hurt first with new corporate taxes (then you and I).
I'll bet your GM and GE plant got big tax breaks from the city/state to open plants there in your town. If they didn't they would have moved on to somewhere that would. It is all about money, and your expecting businesses to folk it over. Think your doctor charges a lot now? Wait until he is giving Obama and others with their hand out 60%+ of what he makes. Then check out your bill. Get out of your bubble in which you believe nothing imposed on others will affect you. FDR tried it and it didn't work.
I continue to find all of this so interesting. Politics as usual. Why anyone would want to be President is beyond me. Thank god there are those that hold the ideals of the US before themselves. They honestly believe that they can make a difference. It is so easy to be critical. Especially if that person is from a different political party. People become so defensive. Most whom have a different political viewpoint tune out the message. They make up their minds that whatever is said is a poor attempt to correct a problem that impacts all of us. So if you go back and read some of the criticisms its easy to see how difficult it will be to have a positive impact on any type of change. The only way we can come out of this situation will be to put political differences aside and work together to solve the problem. To think that anyone is in a position today with the correct answers is foolish. People that are so critical and mean spirited need to take a good look at themselves. Answer the question, what is it about people with different beliefs make me so angry and critical? Obama is an American. He is putting what he believes will be part of a solution to begin to fix all of the major issues facing Americans today. There is no history to look back to. There are no benchmarks to measure success. Our reality is something has to be done. Those that claim that the governoment is too involved. Those that call it socialism, I ask, what is the solution? If you have one, why are you not presenting it? I believe that it would be most welcome to those that are tying to make a positive change. Why can't we work together for the common good. To have an open mind, to learn and listen to act in a way that will be positive for all instead of cutting someone down is a way out of this mess. But then if you don't have someone to cut down,you would have to take a look at yourself. Why not try it?
presumably yours was on at some point after 9/9/08 when obama claimed electing mccain would be like putting lipstick on a pig. he was widely criticized for that by mccain's campaign, no? i don't recall anyone responding to that criticism as being racially motivated or anything else other than desperate and deliberate distortion.
sorta like your allegation in reply #8.
Looking on the bright side. From this point on, sci-fi movies where the earth is about to be destroyed as well as most other movies set in the future, will now have actors from other minorities and ethnic groups playing The President. Heck, we might even see an Asian President or an Inuit President. How 'bout a Moari Commander in Chief or a Tibetan Leader of the Free World.
The make believe possiblities are endless.
look folk's our country is broken , economy , schools , infra-structure , banking and investing
can we all agree on that ?
ok now since we've taken and taken and not invested in any repair or up grades here we are
you reinvest in a buissness to keep it up to date and viable right
we all love our country from the very rich to the poor , because for the rich let's say because it laws and freedoms allowed them to get rich
the poor because it has gave them the freedoms to make a better living than most of the world [our poor are still better of than say poor in Nigeria]
plus we have the freedom to vote in or out the politicions we feel are screwing us
can we all agree on that?
ok now just like I feel about military services , which is all should serve either right after high school if not going to collage , or right after collage , this should be do because of duty to this country we love , BECAUSE it gives us these freedoms
well the same with paying for this mess or to fix the country , we love our country and want it to stay viable right ?
then we as a people need to fix it and we shouldn't have to be forced but since most don't want to give we have to be......right?
now the rich have profited the most and will be hurt the least by giving to this cause
I'm not saying the poorer shouldn't help but if say you needed help would you go to the poorest famliy member you have or the richest ? who would it hurt the least to help you ?
now every time some thing get's [law] passed lately or when there's bad new about the economy the stock market tumbles and they have asked for help
simplest definition of stock market is it's gambling
you buy a stock betting it will go up , but it could go down...right?
and if it goes down you lose your ass...right?
we'll now they want help [bank's are on stock market] becaused they gambled and lost
well let's be fair
if say I go to vegas and lose my house , car and all my money ...do you bale me out ??
after all a gamble is a gamble
well no you wouldn't and baling out the bank's and their investors was wrong to [Bush did this] and only serves to make and different set of rules for the rich than the poor have and they see this
now what would of been the out come if say the TARP money was given to the people who owed the bank's with the stipulation they pay their loans
well instead of helping JUST the rich bankers it would of helped the loans havers and the bank's because they would of got their money just after the people the way it went the bank's got paid now and will get paid again when they either sell the homes again or the home owner now finds a way to pay [I relize TARP is meant to be paid back but do you think they will since they ,well 3 of them any way took 80 million in bonuses just a month before asking for this help come on they should of been fired
you know if Joe's siding company is gonna fail because Joe needs a new truck , Joe don't take the money or profit he has and go to Mexico on vaction does he ?
no he buy's the truck and tell's the wife and kids sorry
well these 3 bank's did just that they took all this money then held their hand out a month later , and you can't say they didn't know , they got rooms full of accountants keeping trac of this shit
so yes I say the rich cause this no one is worth those kinda bonues , the only way anyone would be worth that kinda money is if they are pulling Gold bars out of their ASS
and the poor do look at this and see the owner profit millions and they get shit , yet without them to do the work the owner would profit nothing , so if you wander why people don't work as hard now day's or don't give a shit about their job or quality that's why
I don't know all I'm saying is we all live here and we all want our country to live on
and we all love our freedoms
so we all should pitch in to help fix it and yes if you have more you should pitch in more so after it's fixed you can go back to making more again
if we don't get our shit together and do this , this country will colapse and then the rich will be poor and the poor will be destitude and some country will come in and mow us down
I don't know If I hit the lottery tomorrow for 200 million I'd pay my taxes then I'd convert it all to gold and put a safe in my basement , because the dollar could fail at any time and why put it in a bank ? so the bank could invest it and make money .....or worst so the bank could fail and I lose it
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