Um ok great, so a highly skilled player knows how to counter mass carriers, good for you. What about the other 99.9% of average players who do not read these forums or just play the game casually?  The balamce is for ALL players not the better players..... Why do people always take balance changes so personal, likes its an attack on them.

How i'll be on carrier killing team if there's a spot left ^^.  7pm EST is like 01:00 At night  GMT-1 right?

Grtz,
[_]-Flipkik

Are you just flipping spamming threads? 

what the heck?  

Btw you know your entire argument is a logical fallacy? I CAN DO IT, that means everyone else is WRONG! Its under Ad hominem argument. Ad hominem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Attacking EVERYONE, by calling them out, is an attack on the person. argumentum ad personam and always results in invalid syllogistic logic. 

Next tme go read a logic handbook. Good try though. 

Your logic is pretty [censored] up. 

Go read these lists of logical fallacies. I bet if you took the LSATs now you would epic fail. 

List of fallacies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Are you in perpetual attack mode or something?

BACK ON TOPIC PEOPLE.  STOP FLAMING.  SHUT UP OR SIGN UP.

might as well call it the light frig vs carrier game.  I can show the opposite quite readily if you're up for an lrm vs carriers game.

carrier spam doesn't work, we know, but whether carriers are overpowered is a different story.  Consider the roles that carriers can play well, then compare that to what each other frigate type can do and see if carriers don't come out ahead.

p.s.: calling out a bunch of less experienced players is kind of a dick move.

The point is carriers aren't broken.  Just because some of you don't know how to counter does not mean there isn't one.  It does ruin gameplay to nerf carriers because as things stand it takes a balanced fleet to win instead of previous incarnations where people spammed 1 unit exclusively, be they LRFs or whatever.  As things stand you cant do that against a halfway decent player.  It takes a mixed fleet instead of spam.

[_]-Greyfox

is this tonight if it is ill join the carrier killing team

Howdidudothat:

1. You did not commit a logical fallacy, nor an ad hominem attack.  An an hominem attack is an "attack against the man."  In other words, if I say "carriers are OP" and you say "what do you know - you're just a newb!" then you commited an ad hominem attack (you attacked me personally by calling me a "newb" rather than addressing my point).  You did not do this with your challenge.  You are saying that carriers are not OP, and you are declaring that you are here to prove it against all comers with an actual demonstration.  No logical fallacy there, and you are putting your balls on the chopping block to try to prove your point.

2. Your challange is a legitimate and respectable way to try to prove your point.

3. I think your challenge would be more meaningful if you played against other pros from your [DT] clique, not against "all comers."  The simple fact is, a pro can beat a non-pro with his hands tied behind his back.  Beating the crap out of non-pro carrier spammers will be a piece of cake for you.  Pick some pros from your clique who are equally matched with you in skills, and run your test with them.

4.  I know you did not like my "lame-o-test," but I was not screaming that carriers are OP, nor was I screaming for a nerf to them.  In fact, I have been on record several times (various posts) as stating that I actually fear a nerf to carriers far more than just leaving them alone, because the history of nerfs is overnerfs.  Also, nerfing tends to happen to simply just shut up "sqeaky wheels who need grease," rather than because the nerf is actually warranted.  Thus games are screwed up in the process.  Even if you did not like my tests or its results, go ahead and give me a few kudos anyway.  In many respects I was simply trying to do what you are doing now - an actual real test instead of blabbing on about theory - and I put some of my credibility on the line to do it.

5.  Please make sure to post your test results here.  Also, don't forget to 1) record the games, even though the recordings will probably be screwed up, and 2) TAKE SCREENSHOTS (this goes for your teammates as well, and opponents too).  I don't even think anyone would object if you paused the game for a few seconds every now and then just to rotate or zoom in and get a good screenshot of some action - they would know its for a good cause.

6.  GOOD LUCK!

While true, I am not sure it would happen; it's hard to find 6 of us on at once.  Besides, some person would just start the whole arguement about how we agreed before hand that one side would win.

Sorry if that came across negatively.  I just saw so many people quoting it that I had to call a spade a spade and say that the way you countered the carriers was not the best.

I completely agree, and I think it would be great if someone would host that is capable with hosting without alloy, thereby insuring the replay works.

Can either the "nerf" or the "leave it the way it is" states be modded?  If so, why aren't we doing that instead of changing gameplay?  Pro players get what they want and new players aren't overwhelmed. Sounds reasonable to me. Though of course, "If" i was a dev? I think i'd go for the nerf. I want the new people to feel that the game is accessible. As for the pro players, i'm not leaving you out in the cold if we have "toggles" or "mods" to do what you want.

Just my two cents, and im in the middle somewhere, im not new, but im not a pro by a long shot,

-Teal

BTW, id rather not be on a team with a bunch of computers or randomes, so if anyone else wants to come along for the ride it should be interesting.