BTW this topic should be closed. The point of it was to help people counter the rook and not talk about What O.P means and if rook is O.P or not.

We know hes stronger (even O.P if that can make some happy)

I think what I've come to is that Rook has a low threshold of achievement compared to other Demigods. 

I don't mean that a good Rook player will not completely destroy a bad one (Wagnard vs. me shows the spread very clearly) but that a bad Rook player, as long as he sticks to boulderslamming, will perform close to the level of a good Oak, UB, or QoT, or at least far better than a bad player with another DG.   

As people have pointed out, however, it does take some skill to counter a Rook, even a bad one.  You have to have some micro to dodge the boulder or the hammerslam, but you don't have to have alot to execute them.  Apply that to Rook players who do have micro and skill and they basically demolish, even when their opponents are strong. 

So how do we make the skill threshold higher for Rook or lower for countering him?

I think Rook is like a guy with a stun gun and a nube tube. Stun takes some skill, but nube tube doesn't. u stun than kill. Rook to me is the noob guy. The guy thats extremely deadly even if your a nub against others unless their pros or semi pros who have can react quick enough.

I think he is overpowered because he is not only extremely effective against other demigods (1 hit kill if the enemy is not at full health, often no need to stun them first) but he is extremely good in killing reinforcements as the AoE damage of the hammer is just owning the normal creeps und at least priests.

And saying others should simply run away from his hammer is sensless, because as you are running away all the time you are unable to do anything to help your team.

Although I take your point about most demigods having "An easy option" (TB is very stun/snare heavy, and can deal massive AoE and spike damage; what's not to like about that?), the difference with TB, Regulus and the rest is that they don't hit quite as hard in such a short space of time and aren't naturally as durable as Rook; playing as Rook is a lot more forgiving than playing as some of the other demigods because your mistakes aren't punished as harshly. That's the real issue here. If the Boulder/Hammer combo was a lot harder to pull off, or a failure to pull it off carried heavy punishment, then it wouldn't be so much of a problem.

I have no problem with Rook being able to One (two really) shot other players; what I take issue with is it being so easy to pull off and so hard to avoid, without there being any negative consequences to failure.

Wagnard usually I play as Reg but sometimes Rook to see if he's still rigged which he is. Ill tell u why, he has like 7.5k health at level 20 without items while every other dg has like half that at 20 without items. This allows him to win in every slap fight because he does more damage has an area of effect and more health. So u have to use spells but most spells beside hammer slam only do like 1000-1500 damage which means u have to use that spell on him like 6 times before u die or he tele's back for health. his ability to keep u at a far is extremely deadly. The only ones that can actually fight him are Qot and Reg because their ranged. If u try using minis on rook he can use his aoe slap on them, boulder roll, and hammer slam. Boulder roll and hammer slam will prob kill or do alot of damage to most, and than u can slap the rest. So how do u propose I kill Rook with a melee demigod when he will always win, especially if he gets a hammer slam on u. Hammer slam is almost impossible to dodge because in 2d even if u go through Rook's legs he still hits u. When your melee u just cant get away quick enough.

I agree with soccer too.

BUT most of those spell your talking about have 0 chance of faillure. (when hammer will be debugged, it will be avoidable)

You can avoid snipe or the old TB fireball. SO I think its normal that the hammer do more damage if he hit. (maybe not 2000+dmg tho)

And for rook hp at 7k maybe too much but He deserve more hp than the other from the look of it. Hes a tank you know.

Also dont let rook level to 20 is a good trick too.

But dont worry beta3 will nerf him a bit. Im not worried at all about it.

They is only 1 time I see a Rook lvl 20 a the end of a game in 2d and that because I was in dark side rank 10 while Rook is on light side rank 5. I didnt notice his 7k hp but I only know I kill the Rook 10+ while he kill me 1-2 times.

i want Rook to have a little less health because when I try to kill him he can easily tele out before that happens, even if he's at half health or less because i can't do 3000 damage that quickly.

lol, what can we do to stop him.

Anyway I can prove hammer is fked because in a game today I took full damage and I was slowed at the same time. The slow effect should only be applied to those that avoid the damage radius. Not that we need proof

all aoe spells should be ground targeted

I wonder if gpg/stardock is following this thread...

When someone can teleout like you said its because they have chosen the right moment to do so. give me 100k hp and if I wait too long, you can forget my tele out.

Btw I can teleout with every demigod and im sure most other player that keep an eye on their HP can do so.

In beta 2D almost every demigods have more HP. so its not a problm imo.