The momentum for Windows 7 continues to build, and it seems so far that Microsoft is doing a good job at redeeming the Windows name after Vista. Windows 7 is fast, seemingly very stable, application compatibility seems good, and the reaction from the tech community and media is far more favorable than it has been in the past couple of years.
So the technical side of Windows 7 is going pretty well, and we haven’t seen much out of marketing yet, but there have been many discussions online about how much Windows 7 will actually cost consumers. Some have suggested it should be free, which is quite ridiculous, and others speculate it will be similar to what Windows Vista was.
One of my biggest displeasures with Windows Vista wasn’t so much on the technical side, as it was with the actual price and the lack of license bundles. With some Vista licenses averaging out around $200, it just wasn’t economically feasible to outfit my entire house with copies of Vista, which I would have liked to have done. I have roughly 5 PC’s in my house, so give or a take a bit, it could have easily cost over $1000 to get my home setup with Vista.
Now I certainly don’t expect Windows 7 to be free, but I’m now wondering how Microsoft will set the pricing for new and upgrade purchases. I really hope it reasonably priced, because going too high will have a real negative impact in my opinion. I would like to see a simple upgrade from either Vista or XP for $99, with a 3-license family pack for $150. I think that would be very competitive, and get even more people to upgrade.
What do you think?
and again pal!
Many levels of tricking [ahhh AKA --> stealing..] the system... WTF? that's like saying there are many levels of murder [well.. man 1, man 2, but that's not the point]
Stealing is stealing pal, warez is a no-no and it's pretty dumb to make it publically known, that you are/might be/considering/actually---> doing it.
Sure, I agree, thing's are WAY over-priced, but it doesn't give you/me/the neighbour/the neighbour's dog/ anyone, the auto-right to thieve it because you/we can't afford it
Seriously, where in the world can you honestly say 'I STOLE THIS LEGALLY'?
^Indeed.
An upgrade version isn't tricking the system, it's there for a purpose. You still pay for it either way, whether it's an upgrade or full version. It's just another option.
I understand it too Karen, and I've downloaded a sh!tlload of warez in my day... hey, I'm honest about it.. but I've grown up, and out of that, and c'mon, who hasn't downloaded a crack for something.... , but after many a virus, and guilty conscience.. and 15 or so years on... despite being not so well off.. I find it more rewarding to pay for something when I've got the money.... then --> I OWN it.. legit, and that's the way I want it.
I have also raised a son on my own... but that doesn't give me the A-O-K to steal the next OS.
A properly organised XP start menu is twenty times faster and easier to use than a Vista start menu:-
No clicking and scrolling to get where you want. Just one click and a mouse move.
And if you are in the wrong place, simple, just move your mouse - no click, click, scroll, click, click, scroll...
i am a student at my university, and we have discount prizing for students, especially on MS products. To give you an idea, MS visual studio pro 2008 costs around 1036 dollars canadian. For us, we only have to pay 106 dollars canadian. So windos 7 will be peanunts to me anyways, probably less than 50 dollars for me.
I haven't.... have seen/read about too many issues/potential issues to even consider it.
Besides, I have piss-poor bad luck doing everything legit, so I'd be bound to be caught doing something non-legit and have it cost me thrice the price and more.
Not only that, my mother taught me not to steal by frog-marching back to Woolworths for stealing a plastic toy chicken when I was a 4 y/o.... even at that tender age it was too embarrassing, not to mention too scary, to ever contemplate doing it again.
Sadly it's a sign of the times, that the current trend towards leniency within the judicial system filters down though society and far too many kids today are not being disciplined in a way that would help them think twice about doing wrong. It's like the family I know of who advocated stealing and the like by encouraging shoplifting and taking their kids on night-time raids of Lifeline and St Vinnies charity bins. When confonted about what they were teaching their children, all we got was: "They're just kids, what can the law do to them?" So, not only were these parents teaching their kids wrong, they were wrongly teaching them that they are immune to the law and there are no consequences to worry about.
It might be considered un-Australian to dob anyone in, but people like this make me sick because the kids suffer and honest society ulimately ends up paying more, so yeah, I and a few others went to the cops... hopefully the 5 years jail they got for the corruption minors under the age of 12 will teach them in future to teach their children well.
ROFL.. Is good to see I am not the only one with this memory that still lingers like it was yesterday.. Tho mine was a hot wheel.
I, for example, can quite easily say "I copied this legally", depending on the circumstances.
Id pay 50 euros. But luckly thanks to my work I get all windowses free with unlimited install. But I probably still stick with XP for half year after Win7 is released. I like my windows simple and clean.
Umm... seriously, I don't give a shit what you do, download all the warez you want dude, but don't judge me because I've gotten over that stage, okidoki? also, I didn't mean to sound all judgemental on you..sorry 'bout that.. just some folks it takes a while for them to save up for something, while other's are getting TEH CRACK
i tihnk software piracy is more of an moral issue than a legal issue. at least that is how people alywas presents it to be. The honest truth is, everyone turns a blind eye towards it. The law is being ineffective in dealing with it, sooo the only resorts society can use to mitigate the problem is telling people that it is wrong morally. But people will do it on a continue basis if they can get away wiith it.
LOL ...park out side Sony HQ and start selling Pirated Music of theirs on CD out of the back of a van, and see how Legal it is. Whether you "choose" to feel it is immoral or not, is moot to them.
Copyright infringement is theft, whether you choose to believe it or not. People get paid to make materials, be it Digital media, or hard copy, when you choose to take that which you have not paid for .. you take the very $$ they use to feed their families. less sales = less $$.
While you may percieve the Big corporations as faceless entities, the reality is when you steal from them, it's not the Big wigs that get hit the hardest, it's the average joe working in the mail room who got laid off as sales declined * too bad he has 3 kids to feed huh?*. Or the customers who have to Pay increasing prices to pay for all the antipiracy crap they imbed in to stuff like music. Not to mention not being able to listen to your music on your PC because it has a burner attached etc..
No one is really sticking it to the "man" when they pirate, they are really just sticking it to the rest of us.
Sorry If I deviated from the threads topic. But i cant understand peoples thinking of "if I rationalize it out, it's not wrong to do" that and trying to split hairs to justify ones actions.
You will find in a community such as this where our hobby and livelihoods are based around copyrights and the protection there of, little tolerance for Piracy/copyright infringement justification.
Quite easily saying it is one thing... being true/correct is another...
The same can be said for a serial killer. If the law [police] are ineffective then 'they can get away with it'.
No matter what spin is put on that, though....'most' would likely agree it's just 'not on' to be a serial killer.
Ah...the good old ELEVENTH COMMANDMENT....."Thou shalt not get found out'.....
Re the actual thread topic tho.....so far I kinda like win 7 ....it even behaves in VMware [runs faster than the host -XP].
I most likely will [steal] Frogboy's machine so I can run it with 'headroom'...and 200 USD would be fair .....I paid 180 AUD [OEM] for my XP Pro...
You rock Jafo, TEH man
$30-50 for poor nations
$250 for developed countries and small companies.
$600 for bigger corporations(even in poor nations)....
That is quite ridiculous. Why should a corporation, which provides jobs, be forced to pay a substantial increase?
Let me also just make a note that piracy is not tolerated at all. If you want to advocate stealing software, and yes it is stealing, I suggest not being so open about it here.
Amen
I think I paid $30-35 for MSDOS 3.0 when it came out.......seems like a good price for software that doesn't need consant patching to run
You missed the point. Depending on the circumstances, I could be entirely correct. But what I argued wasn't the right or wrong of piracy, but the issues of the statement that "I STOLE THIS LEGALLY", wheter in a sarcastic sense or not.
Since this isn't the thread for it, I'm not going to take the time to pick your arguments apart. After all, I have yet to make any argument for or against piracy whatsoever. I am, however, opposed to nonsensical arguments, wheter they are made on my part of the fence or the oppositions.
For example, in Sweden, it is not illegal to download or own copyrighted software. It is, however, illegal to share it. It is the act of sharing itself that is illegal. The morality of the action is up to philosophers, in turn.
Bullshit mate, warez/wares is warez no matter WHAT Country you're stealing it from.
...... what next? you going into a Stardock topic, and asking them for the crack for one of their products
What Island Dog was saying was...to put it in plain English exempt from mis-interpretation....
Stardock [the owner of this site and associated software] has a Zero Tolerance for Warez Use. The determination of what may or may not constitute 'warez use' is solely the responsibility of the site owners and their agents, so, the decision whether copyright infringement or warez use is to be declared 'theft' and acted upon is theirs alone as much as it pertains to Wincustomize.com site users and/or any other of Stardock's sites.
Philosophical discussion of warez is fine. Promotion of warez-use isn't....
Bravo/ to all the folks who felt that it was wrong. I don't want my name on a thread where theft is advocated, and theft it is. Period. Can the sophistry.
W7: Mumblefutz and Fuzzy make good, in fact very good points about W7. I get the feeling that all Vista was in fact was a trial/iron the bugs out version of 7. And we paid for it even if it was on the machine you purchased...it's included in the price.
If it could be proven that this is true, then I think I'd go with "You're entitleed to it free", since we bought it and participated in the improvement of it (all the problems posted anywhere are harvested...along with crashes, erc. that are sent to MS).
IMHO
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