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Multiplayer Games:We've setup a thread for everyone to organise their multiplayer games in and also setup example times and dates for most people to meet up and start games. These are what we hope to be the main times for people to be around and want to play games together.
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If you want to report a bug please use the Bug Report feature on our website:http://distantstars.mmobase.com/?m=reportabug
Please include as much information as possible, if you have an error log feel free to post it on these forums and we'll take it from there. If you can reproduce the error please include the error log (read below to find out how to enable error logs) and include as much detail on how to reproduce the problem.
To enable logging:Windows Vista/Windows 7:C:\Documents and Settings\<Your Windows Username>\Local Settings\Application Data\Ironclad Games\Sins of a Solar Empire\SettingorWindows XP:C:\Documents and settings\<Your Windows Username>\Local Settings\Application Data\Ironclad Games\Sins of a Solar Empire\Setting
Open the user.setting file (using Notepad, Wordpad or any text editor) and scroll down to the bottom 7 lines from the bottom is the line:LogOutput FALSEChange FALSE to TRUELogOutput TRUE
and from then on any Log files will be saved to the debug folder:Windows Vista/Windows 7: C:\Documents and Settings\<Your Windows Username>\Local Settings\Application Data\Ironclad Games\Sins of a Solar Empire\Debug or Windows XP: C:\Documents and settings\<Your Windows Username>\Local Settings\Application Data\Ironclad Games\Sins of a Solar Empire\Debug
If you get these log files to us (you can just paste them in to a forum post) we can hopefully get your issues sorted.
Frequently Asked Questions
All files are compressed using 7Zip to shrink the download filesize. To extract these files you must use WinRAR or 7Zip.Any Patches should overwrite the original install directory, either by extracting over the original folder, or cut/copy & pasting over the existing file/folder structure.
1) My game keeps crashing, is there anything I can do to stop it?i) Are you running the game on maximum (highest) settings? if so, lower them to High or Medium, there is a known issue with the game using up too much memory, there is nothing we can do about this, also no matter how powerful your pc is, it is affected by this issue no matter the pc it is not above this crashing issue, it is a game problem not a hardware one, so quite simply lower your settings. If you still have an issue with crashing see point two.ii) Give us as detailed information as possible about the crash, what was happening at the time of the crash, what races, ships, abilities were involved. If you can supply a Debug Log (see above for more information about logging) and post a bug report on our website.
2) The loading screens and portrait pictures dont appear properly, whats wrong?i) This is an issue with ATI based graphics cards (rarely affects Nvidia based cards) we're looking in to the issue.
3) Why dont you support converting Distant Stars in to TXT format?i) Quite simply many things can go wrong with converting your mod to TXT, we cant help you with something you've probably broken yourself.
4) Can I mod Distant Stars for myself?i) Yes you can however please do not distribute our mod or our mod that you have edited to the public. You must ask for permission to do so, we will regrettably stop distributing our mod to all if users abuse our work.
5) Your mod is in BIN format I can't edit the files, what can I do?i) You can convert the mod to TXT format however we wont offer any support to versions of the mod that have been converted to TXT.
6) Why is Distant Stars distributed in BIN format? i) Mods load faster in BIN format and are less likely to have issues in this format.
7) I'm having trouble installing the MOD, do you have any more instructions?i) Carbon was kind enough to do some more advanced instructions out here.
8) Is there any way to make new maps for Distant Stars using GalaxyForge?i) Within the Distant Stars Extras folder there is a folder called Galaxy Forge, Copy and Paste this folder (or its contents) over your original Galaxy Forge folder (or its contents) replacing any files if it asks you to. When you start Galaxy Forge next you'll be able to use all of our planets.
Or, the DIY approach (without custom icons):
ii) The GalaxyForge supplied by the devs will still work with our Mod, however to be able to access all of our planetary bonuses, templates, planet types and stars you will need to take our GalaxyScenarioDef.galaxyScenarioDef (found in the GameInfo folder of the mod) and place it in to your GalaxyForge folder, overwriting the original GalaxyScenarioDef.galaxyScenarioDef (if you still wish to make maps for the original game keep a backup of the original file). This will allow you to use all of the Galaxy changes included in our mod.
Note: Any maps made for Distant Stars will not work with other Mods. See #8.2 for DIY instructions for map making or take the appropriate files from Entrenchment, they're cross-client compatible.
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Thanks to everyone that has supported us this far and making our mod as popular as it is!
^Good points, I noticed these things myself. 3hrs into a match and it crashes all over the place. Even saving over an old slot will crash the game, so I suggest players of the rebellion alpha to save in new slots each time if you crash a lot.
Despite these shortcomings, as a relatively new Sins player, I just can't put down this mod....it's too amazing. The sound effects, the new visuals and planets, the soundtrack from so many great games....really great atmosphere. Keep up the good work on the mod folks, hope you can solve the crashing soon
I have no problems with in game crashing at all. Sometimes get a mini dump on start up. This is my config and setup:
Windows Vista2GB RAMIntel Core 2 Quad 6600 2.4GHzNVidia GeForce 8500GT
I run the game with all graphics set to minimum due to low PC specs currently. Game is patched to 1.04 with mod folder 1.04 containing the 1.03 DS update overwritten with the 1.04 files and associated two mini mods.
If it matters, once the game was patched to 1.04, I did run it once without the mod. Thus the game created the 1.04 mods folder rather than my creating it. I just moved the DS files into it from the 1.03 folder.
When the game mini-dumps upon loading (only happens a few times), I run it as Admin and it nearly always runs next time fine. However, trial and error here seems to be the way forward.
In game, regardless of map or map size, never have any issue re crashing. Played as all factions against all factions up to 10 opponents with nearly all settings variable - though usually it's advanced start, large fleets, pirates active (weak though they may be currently), all speeds usually on normal with research and culture sometimes faster. Only extra victory condition I tend to use is flagship. No permanent alliances/teams.
Feel so sorry for the poor weakened unity....they just have no economic bonus (Vasari - resource scrounging from destroyed ships/structures, TEC - economic powerhouse!) and late game weapons advantage is still seriously nerfed.
It's hugely enjoyable though. Hope this helps someone!
Note to self: Get faster computer
Synergy has always been their greatest asset.
And Strikecraft. Speaking of which, are there plans to increase the number of strikecraft on Titans? 4 squadrons on a ship that's easily worth 2 capitol ships seems a little small...I'd like to see that doubled, personally. Especially since DS has 4 different types anyway.
-Twi /)
True it's helpful but Vasari weapons late game render it fairly useless - long range and shield bypass
They are very useful. However there are so many ways to build fleets to combat strike craft hordes. Agree that the titans need more of them!
I find it odd that the Advent loyalists (supposedly being culture specialists) don't get the communion temple cost reduction whereas the rebels do. Also advent culture is too easily repelled even at max level. The TEC are the ones who I find pushing back my blue lines with ease most often. Would be a good idea to make the advent culture, upon overthrowing a planet, bring it under your control. Sort of a passive-aggressive take over system. Good for the rebels I think as it doesn't fit the mantra of the loyalists wanting to exterminate everything!
What do you expect by a mod made by greedy trader scum!?! It's a well known fact the entire DS team are unenlightened trader sympathizers. Between stant's free traders and Ue-carbon being the de-facto President of the TEC Loyalists, its a wonder they didn't make advent frigates cost twice as much fleet supply. Perhaps you should seek out a mod made by your brethren in the unity.
BURN THE WITCHES!
The culture is not very good in the base game. So its not very good in the mod either.
REND THE HEATHENS!!
Yeah I know It's nothing against the mod, I think it rocks! Just a suggestion of additional techs to improve the advent playing experience.
Any ETA on the mod yet?
ETA? I don't know. Perhaps, 20 of Dec, so that you only get 24 hours to enjoy before we all meet our maker.
Well atleast i can spend my final hours playing a good game with a great mod.
Do the mod in peace, just like to be kept up to date on the release.
Fucking Goa! Stop trying to steal our fans!
But he does have a point, more focus is given to the TEC and the others are adjusted around them. At least in my general practice. The reason is less because I usually play as TEC (I do play the others to keep my skills up in case I play a game where it would be more advantageous for me to be one of the other factions) but because of the official lore. The TEC is the defacto faction. This game is about the Trade Order being the only superpower. About the TO spreading it's culture, it's influence, it's will to all corners of the galaxy and maintaining for a millennium. Then enter a second (more advanced) superpower by invasion which forces the TO to become the TEC and transform this vast influential, extremely wealthy, industrial juggernaut, into a cohesive military force beating them to a standstill, and done so in a relatively short time frame all things considered. Then entering in a third (technically more advanced) superpower hell bent on revenge, but is unable to accomplish very much because the TEC has already caught up in the technological and arms race due to the Vasari invasion. The Advent's only real claims of success come from hitting areas already weakened by the Vasari. They're basically little bitches who can't win in a fair fight.
So taking the official lore and translating it into development on a mod where the goal is to enhance, not replace core game designs, the faction that is worked on first is the TEC. It is the most influential faction. It is the faction that get's to pump out cheap ships fast, it is the faction that deserves to be the standard that the others are compared to. After all, every planet that is 'conquered' has humans on it, not Vasari, not Advent. The Trade Order/Trader Emergency Coalition is everywhere. Their influence reaches all places and has been there for over 1000 years. culture spread on their part, culture resistance on their part should happen with relative ease due to it having already been there for so long. Technologically, they should start off as the weakest, but they should make up that shortcoming fairly rapidly. They are the economic power. All things economy belong to them.
From there, I look at the Vasari. I look to see that their technology is better then the TEC early on, but equal mid to late, after all, they get beaten to a standstill. They only way a technologically superior force winds up in a stalemate is if their opponent matches them. Now the Vasari being on the run and being invaders, deserve to start with stronger ships, but no real way to mass produce, and no production without considerable cost in the first place because they just do not have the industry in place like the TEC has. Their only real advantages in a fight is their ability to move their fleet quickly, and is their phase missile tech which the TEC has yet to duplicate or effectively counter outside of building ships with thicker, stronger hulls so they can absorb more damage from this weapon. Everything else is either on par or sub par compared to the TEC. Culture to them is of no consequence since their only use for cultures outside of their own is slave labor.
Now to the (justifiably so) little bitches, also known as the morally sick and twisted Advent. I place them on generally equal terms with the Vasari in the beginning, but it all falls apart for them the longer a game progresses. Early on more technologically advanced then the TEC, but mid game on par, and late game somewhat inferior. Early on stronger ships, but mid to late game inferior in a heads up fight. No real economical or industrial advancements due to them focusing more on revenge, rather then their own survival after the fact. Unlike the Vasari, they don't have this great weapon to take advantage of. Their greatest strength comes from the Unity. Their ability to act and react as one. A single ship will die a quick death, many ships with varied talents all working as one ship is a great ship. In their own culture and near their own kind, they are dominant. As invaders as a regular military force, they cannot win, they must be opportunists and wait for weaknesses to take advantage of. They need to wait for the Vasari to come in and wear down the TEC, then they can come in and collectively hit both hard, but wait too long and let the others regain their strength and they've missed that opportunity and deserve to lose. Basically according to what I interpret the lore, they are superior on defense because they're on their own turf, they have home field advantage, but for all of their supposed advancements, their offense is weak and needs help. Like the Vasari, they have no real economy or industry otherwise the TEC would have noticed them. Culture wise, they are like the borg, they absorb those they can use and destroy the rest. They do no deserve easy culture spread because they don't care to spread their culture, they have no need to. Culture resistance on the other hand should be through the roof. Vasari shouldn't be able to overthrow anything, and the only reason why TEC should even have a chance is because most of the people on the planet used to be TEC, but it should still be difficult.
That's the way I develop the factions. Like the official lore says, in the end, all three factions end up locked in a stalemate, which means, military power wise, they end up being equal and playing defense. Enter Entrenchment where they improve those defenses, enter Diplomacy where they realize nothing is happening and they try to work things out, enter Rebellion where sub factions realize that the talking is doing nothing and decide to give fighting a second chance.
Go ahead, they'll be reborn at the home world anyways.
I know, I usually try to avoid that kind of thing, but it was late, and it was especially hard to resist having already done some of the things he was suggesting you guys do.
That said, back in the day you guys were the masters of pluging and advertising on a large scale. But you can have your cool matching forum icons and control of the galactic economy, the unity will win this forum wars by simply advertising in people's head. You can't beat that no matter how catchy your slogans are!
Oddly enough i don't want to play Rebellion without this mod. I don't know why but the game just feels so empty without it.
Damn you guys are good.
I am not playing this game until this mod is ready.
Agreed. I still play, but once the mod is ready I'll not be doing the original anymore. To me, DS IS Sins the way it should have been.
I know their evil - that's why I like them!! Remind me somewhat of the awesome Borg.
From a lore perspective, they're also the most plausible faction IMO. TEC is a "USA gone galactic" faction much like sooo many others in SciFi. Vasari are your standard "evil" strong strange aliens. Whereas the Advent are acting much like a further evolved humanity. It is a reasonable possibility that we may well evolve into a psionic species over future millennia. What we definitely won't do is stay the same as humans with our current ideals and hierarchies etc.
Though, indeed, to be better in line with the current lore, I agree with a lot Stant said. When the Advent attack, they further steam-roll the embroiled TEC. It's when they encounter the Vasari that they fail to advance further - their shields no longer being effective.
But TEC are no angels! Note that despite existing planets with "rebel" factions on them are supposed to be human, the TEC still conquers them to bring them into their order! What happened to the nice policing of the trade order territories? Surely if they ran a peaceful economy with all shiny bells and whistles, there would be no pirates to start with...
I wonder if it would be possible to design a map in conjunction with a specific set of modded alterations that created the following scenario.
A vast collection of planets, nearly all TEC, very little if any military. Cue Vasari jumping in an invasion right at the start which steam-rolls the outer TEC worlds easily but plays to leave them as basic barren outposts. They could loose each successive world after a set time frame creating a real sense of urgency to advance. TEC react with upping the military arms, thus creating the stalemate. Then the Advent faction is discovered in the outer regions of the map. Only a few planets to start with but great shielding tech and rapid culture advance to convert the heathens More TEC worlds are raped but the Vasari, so bent of running away, advance into Advent territory. Voila, three way stalemate, all the while the outer worlds the Vasari did hold are going dark. Then factor in unrest at the stalemate and splitting of the empires, rebelling worlds etc. Kind of like how the Roman factions split into East/West rebels in RTW:BI.
Makes for an every changing game with highly variable tactics in a few distinct phases. Certainly challenging! But quite a complex set of in-game events. Especially since Sins at present doesn't posses a mechanic for them that I'm aware of.
Ah we can dream re Sins 2
All hail the unity!
Meh, just give a 100000 credits to the pirates and let them burn the witches for you....
Nice Pic Bison.
When I have more time, we need to talk about your insane pirates. Best damn game played in a year...Helps being on vacation too....
Stant123 you are forgetting something very important, which in my opinion is THE very reason why the TEC was able to fight both the Vasari and the Advent into a standstill: Numberical and economical superiority.
They have more people and more material, which means they can have more soldiers and ships.
But if they outnumber the enemies and still "only" can hold their own agains them, that must mean they have some disadvantage against them which prevents them from just grinding the enemy slowly into submission in a long war of attrition. And that disadvantage in my opinion is their inferiour technology and shipdesign.
If TEC technology really was on par with the Vasari and superiour to the Advent as you suggest, there is just no way the two other factions could possibly hold out, unless they both form an allienace against the TEC, which they didn't do... they still fight each other just as much as they fight the TEC.
Well, to be fair, technically the TEC fight eachother as much as the others as well.
And It's not necesarily that they have inferior technology. They just haven't needed to fight a war in who knows how long. The vasari are a dictatorship/slaver empire, and the Advent have spent the last 1000 years thinking of nothing but revenge, while the TEC are only what, like 25 years old? It's a matter of experience. Before the War, the TEC really only had Sovas as Capitol Ships, do deal with Pirates, and Cobalts as a main fleet. They had no need for anything else as far as a warship is concerned. Even he Kodiaks were re-purposed from asteroid clearers.
That was all Carbon, I swear.
Technically it's all post industrial revolution countries gone galactic.
I prefer to see them as WW2 Nazis. To them, they're just doing what they've always done. They don't consider themselves evil, and while there may be some among them that view what they are doing as questionable or even objectionable, in large part, this is just the way they do things. Basically, if you study Europe between WW1 and WW2, and Hitler's rise to power, what's really going on and why he is able to do what he does is because Germany is just screwed six ways to Sunday, shitty economy, shitty morale, debt out their ass, maps being redrawn giving them less territory... All Hitler had to do was prove he could get their land back, improve their economy, get the country out of debt, and unite the people. No simple task, but he did pretty much just that. For a short time, he really was the best thing for his country. He just got greedy and then went crazy with power. The Vasari where the masters of their domain. That is until some bigger bad ass came along and kicked them out. For all we know it's a coalition force of the beaten down and abused with some help from an outside force, like the allies in WW2, that not only kick them out, but are hunting them down. To everyone else they're greedy, murderous, evil, whatever... It really just depends on your own personal morals on how you see them. Most would agree, slavery is bad, so that's a negative on them, but then again, most people could agree that if a military force attacks you and kicks you out of your home and is hunting you down, and you're just refugees looking for a place to hide out, then you can be pitied and deserve help. Depends on the person to decide which is the more influential aspect. The fact that they take slaves, or the fact that they're beaten and being hunted. Amongst other things of course, I just don't want to get into every little detail and break them down. I don't have that kind of time these days. Basically, how different would your view of the Vasari be if they entered the Trade Order territories asking for a place to stay or begging for help rather then entering with guns blazing taking worlds (and slaves) for themselves?
That depends on your view of what happens. In the base game most planets do not have defenders on them. In DS they do. You say conquer, I say colonize. Regardless, there are several ways one can look at the situation:
One way is that these are individual planets that are just too inconsequential for the Trade Order to have worried about them so they never bothered to do anything with them. Likely they were cooperative, maybe even were good customers all things considered, such a small population, maybe not even a united planet yet, like Earth, meant there was never any need to even bother with them. Post invasion, every person and resource is a step closer to victory.
It could have been a relatively new colony pre invasion. There are two ways this one plays out. They're desperate for resources and are willing to be rejoined with some political or corporate entity, or they're bitter that they were forgotten and have figured out how to sustain themselves and want to be their own political or corporate entity. Your interpretation of the colonization of this planet and what exactly happens may not be similar to mine. My faction is a corporation, when I 'colonize' I deal less with the political, and more with the bringing them into the realm of interstellar trade. DS Lore-wise, I really do both. Pre lore where I go over my background, I do nothing with the planets other then run their economies. In the lore, I overthrew a governing body to get what I wanted out of the system and am in some quasi ruling, but not really, state.
They're a group of undesirables. The Advent were kicked out and exiled because of what they were doing before they were called the Advent. Australia is a good example of where in our society, we sent people that couldn't behave according to a set of standards to another place to get rid of them, only we did it so much that they built up their own nation. Now that's not entirely what happened, so if you're an Aussie, don't crawl up my ass. It's generally accepted that Australia was a prison colony for a long time, and that's what I'm working with. I've been told that's how Japan got it's start too. Chinese undesirables were shipped off and eventually there were so many that, maybe with some help, or maybe not, they created their own nation.
They're refugees from first attacked systems. Too weak to fight back, their people are scattered and they're just there waiting out the war. Enter the TEC and maybe some would rather be left alone, whereas others want some payback.
They're split offs from other nations or corporations. The USA was a part of the British Empire until it 'broke away'. Several dozen nations were a part of the USSR until they 'broke away'. I had a list of companies that were once divisions of much larger ones but now their on their own in my head, but by the time I got here, I forgot what I was going to put down... Point being early on, the US was easy pickings and made some good allies to ensure it's survival. These planets, post invasion, probably don't have that luxury.
Pretty much what I'm getting at is it all depends on what you believe is happening is how you describe it. The TEC could be invaders, or they could be colonizers. The other two factions are pretty much only invaders.
That's easy, the Vasari invaded.
The two aren't exclusive with each other. There are literally dozens of social and economic factors that would lead to piracy in an otherwise peaceful environment. Let's go back to the mid 1990's. The average cost of a CD was around $25. Most record labels based in California and New York pushed prices up that high for CDs that had on average 10 songs, where one, maybe two if them, the consumer actually wanted. The internet was tapped to pass around digital versions of these CDs, or more appropriately, the one or two 'good' songs from the CD, from one person to their friends so they didn't have to pay a bullshit price for an unsatisfactory product. Then they passed copies along to their friends, who passed them along to their friends, who passed them along to their friends, even some going as far as requesting on internet forums if anyone had a copy of a song they were looking for and wouldn't mind sending it to them. Now all reasonable people can agree, this is piracy. No money was given to the rights holders of this music each time a copy was made. The 90's weren't exactly full of turmoil, there weren't massive wars being fought on all fronts, and the economy was having it's usual ups and downs, but generally remained strong.
Economic instability, political collapse, social injustice, rampant neglect, war... These are things that definitely don't help to prevent piracy, but the underlying issue really has nothing to do with any of that. It's more so due to people believing a product is overpriced, or believing that they are owed because they were either screwed over/ripped off by some company, or just feel entitled to some free stuff. Piracy on the scale that Sins deals with in game (meaning post invasion) is more along the lines of piracy in the Caribbean and Mediterranean Seas for example. They're basically a group that doesn't play by the established rules. Some are state sponsored rebels, others are not. Pre invasion pirates were probably more like bandits raiding trading caravans. Whatever their reason to take what the caravan had is their own reason, but it might not have anything to do with the powers that be.
I would certainly like to see that myself. Would be a very entertaining map to play on, but like we all know, maybe for Sins 2. (I just hope it doesn't require Steam so I can enjoy it.)
I didn't forget it, that was the main advantage I gave to the TEC and focused on it. All things economical belong to them, they are the industrial juggernaut, it is the faction that can pump out cheap ships fast. These are things I did clearly state. Oh and they fight the Vasari to a standstill, the Advent are largely just a nuisance that is strong enough and opportunistic enough to need to be dealt with. Technically, it's the Advent that are fighting the TEC to a standstill when they retaliate.
Yes and no. But I did say this too. The TO's reach and influence is everywhere. The other two factions are just invaders by comparison. While support to beat back and be victorious over invaders can draw lots of people to your military, the will to not fight can be just as strong. Not everyone can get behind a war, even if every reason says they should be supportive of it, aside from the whole killing thing, but that is usually enough to turn people off of it and even speak out against it and actively deny people or resources to those that are fighting the war.
At first yes, which is why planets fell with little to no resistance.
On par but less mobile and I did give the Vasari the advantage of having phase missiles which the TEC has been unable to copy or effectively defend against. Tech wise, they are on par on every way except these two things. These two should be enough that the Vasari can still win, but they can't. Why? Because the TEC is still waaaaay too massive. Also do remember that this is just an invasion force by the Vasari, it is NOT their main force. That still remains to be seen. What tech to they bring with them, how massive is this main force? We do not know yet.
As for the Advent, their tech by late game is inferior. By all accounts it is superior while they're planning and plotting their revenge in the lore, but the TEC catches up before the Advent even reappear thanks to the Vasari, and all things considered, if the only way you're getting your revenge is because you're hitting places already completely worn down and ground away by war from the other two, your tech isn't that good. Basically, had they come in and fought the Trade Order rather then the TEC, they win easy victories, lots of them, take over vast portions of the industrial might, and potentially steamroll the entire TO, brainwashing everyone along the way. Clearly, they win and they win HUGE. Complete and total victory. But timing is everything. They weren't ready to fight yet before the Vasari invaded, they've lost their technological advantage, and the only reason why they're here now is because they decided to take advantage of the weak worlds and that is the key point from the official lore. If they were still technologically superior or even on par, they wouldn't have to take advantage of the weak worlds, they could go after the more developed, better equipped worlds and flip them to their side and use the industry to their advantage. But they don't... Because they can't.
Their claim to fame is synergy bonuses and shielding tech. Vasari look at shields as something that they have an easy way around, and the TEC just throw more guns at it and grind it away. Their ships pop easily. They have no standout weapon, hell even their superweapon is pretty much worthless compared to the other two in my opinion. That doesn't mean it doesn't have it's uses though. Everything from the core game screams "I can't win in a heads up fight (unless I'm on defense)." Inferior economy, they lose their trade ports if they want to mine more... Their tech is just awful.
Absolutely!
The TO's economical tech is by far superior and this does translate in the game. Their political/social tech is inconsequential. Their military tech is vastly inferior. But only in the beginning. Like I said, the TEC being only a quarter century, younger actually by the time they match the Vasari tech, did all of this in a very very short time. Given the rapid advancement in that time, double or triple it and once again, if the other two aren't prepared to keep up, the TEC becomes the dominate military force and wipes the other two out. Imagine the TEC swarm armed with phase weapons and jump anywhere without using phase lanes tech adapted from the Vasari, and shielding that nullifies all energy based weapons adapted from the Advent and hulls that absorbs all other types of weapons due to their own advancements... They're pretty scary.
To my recollection they only had Dunovs and Marzas pre invasion. Dunovs being part of the massive trading fleet and Marzas being part of the mining fleet. These being the only ship designs still in service from that massive fleet, not that they were the only capital designs. The Kol was the first Warship from the TEC and it stands to reason the Sova was developed at the same time but fielded second.
Ahhh great. Now with the 1.41 update the alpha version you've released doesnt work anymore. Anyone else have this problem? Guess its time to try this E4X mod of GoaFan's finally.
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