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Just to prove you wrong, I'm going to go out a build some sort of Earth destroying device. I'm thinking black hole generator. I don't care if I have to defy the laws of physics! I will prove you wrong! I will irreparably damage the planet!
The eruption of Krakatoa also put lots of sulfur in the atmosphere and this has a cooling effect that counteracts the effects of C02
People HAVE some up with solutions, but you cannot tax solar power and wind power so people arent interested.
I didn't call you ignorant. Sulfuric acid consists od less then 4% of the atmosphere but it still has siginificant effects and that is what makes the planet so shiny. The reason i mentioned Venus is to point out that it is HOTTER then mercury. I didn't suggest that people live there.
YOU ARE MISSING MY POINT. GLOBAL WARMING IS IRRELEVANT, WE NEED TO GIVE UP ON OIL ANYWAY, ITS RUNNING OUT, RESERVES HAVBE BEEN GROSSLY OVERESTIMATED AND OIL IS CAUSING MANY PROBLEMS
Speaking of apocalypses, have you guys seen the trailer for 2012? It has mass floods, meteor strikes, alien attacks, etc
And this apocalyps is happening 3 years from now, not 20!
think entrenchment will be out before the end of the world?
bet someone nukes the uk just as im downloading the beta
think about this, what if there was an apocalypse. and you survived. only one though. now what? that would suck;
think about it
also, did you notice his poor grammar in the video? i mean, ok on a forum, but a video? please
That's where I got the idea. But I want to make something that actually makes black holes. Every time I hear about how the LHC will kill us all, I have to laugh. I mean, the "science" behind that is so absurd that it's like saying that when I sneeze all of the world's toothbrushes will come to life and kill their cruel human overlords... shoot! I just sneezed! Quickly, lock your bathroom door! Before they can get out! Run for your lives, the toothbrushes want revenge for being put in our mouths! Ahh! they've breached the defences! Save yourselves! Noooo!!
Hopefully that will get things back to funny....
i agree, i mean im all for the survival of the human race casue well......im human....but honestly we're the biggest pests on this planet. The saddest part of us all being killed would be the fact that their would be no one here to appreciate the beauty it actually holds, no one to think about it or question anything. The world and the universe would go on and not miss us for a second but their would be know one to appreciate the universe like humans can, at least not on this planet
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IQofSpam, check this link out:
http://www.takepart.com/2008/04/07/top-10-global-warming-myths-debunked/
It actually addresses many of the points brought up in the links you posted.
EDIT:
And here's an interesting one I found about Global Cooling
http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2008/11/10/global-cooling-myth-gets-fried/
Well, there are certainly both sides to the issue. I personally think that based on objective information (water = stability in temp, more CO2 = more plants and less CO2, etc.) that the earth's temperature merely cycles every so often, and that global warming is not caused by humans. The 'denialosphere' seems to have the better argument.
But yeah, the information is out there if you just look for it.
EDIT: What I meant earlier is that all the global warming proponents seem to have is the temperature data supposedly recorded over the last 200 years, which also supposedly shows a temperature increase. I place more trust in physics than in people, so for me the global cooling argument has far more weight.
EDIT 2: Just noticed that previous post about Venus being hotter than Mercury, as proof of the severe effects of CO2 on the climate. I would like to suggest that Venus may be hotter than Mercury, not because of the CO2, but because Mercury has no atmosphere and is thus unable to retain any heat. Earth, which only has ~15% CO2 in the atmosphere, would very likely be as hot as Venus if it were placed the same distance from the sun.
As for the whole apocalypse idea, I personally would be more worried about someone creating a giant magnet and moving Earth closer to the sun (or the sun closer to Earth). Or we could invent a machine to destroy the nitrogen bonds in the atmosphere so that the sun's gamma radiation can roast us all like the Hulk. We could put a geosyncronized mirror into orbit and create a miniature Antarctica in the middle of New York. We could eat all of the fish in the ocean so that the world's sushi lovers start World War III. We could destroy all of the CO2 in the atmosphere so that all of the plants die and the environmentalists decide to throw Bambi in front of a bus. We could invent a way to turn uranium into the next illegal drug craze, then drop a few Junkies on Hiroshima. We could invent the Yor. We could weaponize the Babel Fish. We could hit Tom Cruise in the face and then be assaulted by aliens. I'm just saying, there's a lot more we could do than overheat the earth.
lol, I don"t believe it. so not only in life to peopel brag about how their car is fasterst, house is biggest, computer is best, bank account is fullest, yadda yadda. now, in death we'd have braggig about how one died. hey man, look it me, I died in the f***ing apocalypse, I'm the man!
frankly though, I find the prospect of eternal life quite disturbing anyway, so that would be the least of worries.
That was my post, but it was not my conclusion. Soviet and NASA scientists discovered that fact that C02 DOES cause greenhouse effects by studying Venus.
The are protests in Africa because of the environmenttal damage cause by oil. Oil drilling caused a devastating mud volcano in Java. This caused millions worth of damage and 30000 people were displaced. Oil spill have caused enormous amounts of damage in the Nigerian delta. There is heavy pollution in Labanon due to oil. People's water supply have become undrinkable in northern Soith America.In one African country, women are stripping nude in protest because of the environmental damage caused by the oil companies.
Oil causes huge amounts of environmental damage wether climate change is real or not. Oil is running out faster then most think. The oil that is left is no longer profitible as it is too difficult to access.
Dudes, apocalypse isn't global warming. Or nuclear war.
It.
Is.
Idlebot.
Period.
If you want a good device to destroy the planet look no further than your Avatar. (which is still awesome!)
Samurye.
Kyogre's Death Star, I would guess.
Yeah, that's me. I could do that, but it seems like it would be pretty hard to build one of those... An just putting a laser on the moon seems like cheating.
Good... goood!
EDIT: Actually watching the video it's complete BS.
What does the existance of the universe matter to us, if we are not there? For all intents and purposes, the universe begins and ends with your perception of the same. I agree that it'd be more relevant to speak of global extinction than an actual end of the world, but it's just splitting hairs.
Why argue a point which's very point is pointless for the context of the argument?
Edit: Also, is the issue of Global Warming relevant? Must we have a looming death-threat hanging over our heads and widespread paranoia over an age of global warming, desertfication, firestorms & special holocaust, just to realize that our resources are finite and that we have to care for our now-global habitat?
And in case it eluded someone, that was a rhetorical question. If you were thinking of an actual answer or rebuttal, you have a serious case of the dumb. Good day, go away.
Well, first of all, the statement "I trust more in physics than in people" seems oddly to ignore that you are receiving your knowledge of physics from, y'know, people. Interestingly enough, this particular interpretation of physics comes almost exclusively, not from something like the jornals of meteorology or climatology, whome I would give a great deal of leeway to, but from people who, if they are trained scientists, are geologists, working for the petrochemical industry.
If I am a scientist, however personally honest, receiving my money from an industry that makes billions of dollars from a practice, you should nonetheless give me a fair hearing when I state that, to the best of our knowledge, that practice is safe. 98% of the scientists not receiving money from that industy say "No - it's not.", then you may want to consider the possibility my viewpoint is biased. If I'm still shouting off about it, and the subject is verifiable outside my field of expertise, then you should definitely consider the possibility that my viewpoint has moved from viased to flat out dishonest.
But unless you happen to be a trained climatologist, then your knowledge of physics, as it is applied to the worldwide climate, is no more advanced than mine is. We're both smart people, but we have to rely on the opinions of people that are trained in the way physics interacts with the world wide climate. Those people are called climatologists.
Climatologist have journals. Their journals show, quite clearly, that the theory of man made global climate change is accepted by such a large majority that the dissent is a matter of statistical irrlevance.
Then we get to rationalization #2: The cyclical nature of the climate shows the earth is cooling - ie - "The cyclical nature of the warming cooling cycle shows we're entering a cooling cycle, therefore global warming in wrong!".
Well, yes, there are issues with the Earths orbit and axial tilt that show we should be entering a cooling cycle. Yet the objective measurements show quite definitively that we are not.
Which means, to me, that we are not only not in a cooling cycle, but that the amount of warming we have induced is overwhelming not only the natural compensation mechanisms, it's overwhelming them despite the active effects of long term mechanisms that would tend to give them extra weight and power.
Yet, for some people, this seems to be interpreted in the same light as "Sure, the thermometer shows the temperature on my floor of the apartment building is 140 degrees and rising, and there may be some smoke. But we know, for a *fact* it is in fact winter outside, which *proves* that the building *can't* be on fire. So, I'm unplugging the fire alarm and going back to bed."
Jonnan
That was exactly my point, you simply made it clearer. I totally agree.
I totally agree with you there.
Hah, good one.
I'd a fire alarm yesterday and can tell you that extinguishing a fire at night by -10° C is not very fun, though it makes you appreciate the heat of the fire in a wierd way...
It is true that I'm not a climatologist and that my knowledge of physics comes from other people. However, those guys with Ph.D.'s also got their knowledge from other people. Also, I have seen numerous sites which state that there are over 18,000 climatologists who say global warming is a fraud. Also, I know that the government spends billions of dollars funding huge numbers of the climatologists who say global warming is a problem. After all, we have to save the planet right? So I believe that it is very possible that many scientists merely say they believe global warming is a problem, just to keep their funding.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/30/business/worldbusiness/30energy.html
Current spending, according to this article, is at about $3 billion per year, with a proposed increase of $4.2 billion. Sure it isn't much compared to what we spend on some other things, but it's still a lot of money.
Also, notice that the article says that most of the scientists say that even the $4.2 billion extra per year is only "a small fraction" of what is needed. Sure sounds like they're after the money to me.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that everyone is involved in some big conspiracy. However, the aforementioned 18,000 are just the ones who are openly against the issue of global warming. There are certainly going to be scientists who don't necessarily believe it's a problem, but aren't willing to openly oppose it, and then others who are on the gravy train. I'm just saying that there are probably just as many scientists on both sides, contrary to what some climatology journal statistics show. Besides, the media hasn't reported from an objective viewpoint for a long time - they're out to make money too, and that includes those journals. They're going to be worried that their pro-global-warming audience will stop buying their magazine.
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