Every day I visit tons of website, forums, and social networks for all types of topics, most of which are technology based in some sort of form. This election cycle has really brought out the best of the liberal “group think” mentality regarding Obama. On just about every social network Obama is praised as “the one” and any hint of disagreement with his policies or ideals is immediately responded with accusations of racism, or just plain insults. Anybody who wants to claim that liberals are tolerant to others, please give me a shout because I can quickly debunk that. Even here on our network of sites, there have been insults tossed at the slightest hint of either supporting McCain, or being against Obama. I’m certainly not saying conservatives don’t dish out their fair share, but the mentality of liberals has once again bordered on the insane and hateful.
It’s tough being a proud conservative, as I will say what I think regardless of what the group and mob mentality is. The real shame is so many people, especially bloggers in the tech area, are afraid to do the same. I have received so many private notes and comments in support of standing up for conservatism, it’s almost crazy. The best comparison I can make is how conservative actors in Hollywood are often ridiculed or turned down for roles because of their conservative beliefs, and the same mentality is going on right now in the blogosphere. Conservative bloggers, some of which can be considered A-list are having to remain silent about their thoughts on Obama and McCain, simply because they are afraid of retribution from their employers or just not being able to pickup work from other sites. It’s a shame, and it’s more telling about liberals than it is anything.
I am a conservative, I don’t like Obama, and I will never let anyone intimidate me because of that.
I also want those things too BDBF.. but I'll choose character and honesty over any of them..
Maybe I'm just old school, I believe in doing the right thing.
The other answer is...the other side isn't sleezy.
To someone not predisposed by ideology to see things the other way, you might want to just consider that the rest of us, the ones who told you Bush and Cheney were lying corporatism sleezebags (and have been proven right, in spades) are telling you now that this man, Obama, isn't lying to you.
I know you won't consider that possibility, because all of this defensiveness is about having been proved wrong the past 8 years. And instead of taking out you betrayal on the men who betrayed your trust so blatantly and shamelessly, you're going to descend into ideological denial.
I, on the other hand, was right about Bush/Cheney. And while I am voting for Obama, I have no illusions that he will be able to deliver on all of his promises in the current political climate. It is POLITICS, after all, a soul wrenching exercise in compromise.
But I do honestly believe that Obama WANTS to help the country and that he will spend 20 hours a day, 7 days a week, for the next four to eight years trying to make it better.
And for that, he'll get gray hair, an estranged wife and children in the media spotlight, a decade of death threats, the most magnificent prison in the nation, and an ungrateful electorate when those voting for him for the first time come to realize that you can't always get what you want...unless you compromise with the other side - those you've been told to hate by this horrendously devisive electoral process based on closet bigotry, ignorance, and fear.
So, I really HOPE Obama has what it takes. But I KNOW McCain doesn't anymore.
Either way, I don't wish that job on anyone.
Why aren't you voting btw? Your address says Togo, but if you're an American citizen you should just vote by mail/absentia. You seem to feel strongly enough about the issues, but you mentioned earlier you can't or couldn't vote?
Sincerely, I'm asking, what's the scoop, oh master skinner?
No one is cooking up anything. If people choose to ignore the associations and the character of the man.. for the promise of a hand out... then they can live with that decision. Its all documented.. there is no fear mongering when what is being said is apparent.
Statements of fact.. nothing more, nothing less.
I'm British and I feel strongly about it because I do live here, My children are all growing up into it. I want safety, dignity, hard days work for a a hard days pay.
The things my grandfather and father passed along to me that I fear are quickly becoming a myth, to be replaced with apathy, entitlement and liberalism.
You're just a die hard conservative apparently vStyler. If those are your inclinations then suit yourself.
I however, don't agree that this Ayers association is anything unsavory, ominus or dangerous inspite of all the RNC attempts to convince Americans that they should believe it to be. It is 100% a contrived issue because his assocation with Ayers was harmless. Ayers was a college professor at the time, he had long since served his time in prison and had long ended his prior domestic violence acts. Yet because Ayers hosted a fund raising coffee at his house for BO people want to distort the implications to generate fear about OB. I think the unethical conduct in this matter is the conduct of those who seek to deny the truth and exploit a harmless situation for their own gain.
BO has plenty of character and plenty of leadership.
Well, what I see is a consistent pattern of being associated with characters that I wouldnt bring home to mom. If people can't see that theres just more to 'it' than what the Obama camp lets on.. then.. I question their judgement.
I like the old "winners never cheat and cheaters never win".. so lets see how it all goes down...
Not over till the slightly heavier than normal lady sings.
anyway.. time for Football!!!!!!!!!
Because you are doubtful you want others to be doubtful also. You seem to enjoy a degree of fear mongering.
no different than telling people to fear the bush legacy.. now is it?
by that rationelle, any attack or questioning of either side by the other is fear mongering I guess.
BO isn't President yet. You keep creating bogey men. Phantom issues and the like. The problems GWB et all, brought about were real problems that we all here lived through and they will continue to cause us problems for years. What, the Iraq War isn't a real enough problem for you? I haven't posted endless nonsense about McCain. You've posted alot of nonsense about BO.
Um, we're not. We're fearing what Bush has done TODAY and for the past 8 years. We're VOTING to try and undue the damage. Bush's legacy is already set in the stone of infamy.
..and fearmongering online..
Whats good for the goose
All you have to do is ask any 20 year old to discover that it's Bush's policies that have made it harder to pursue the American Dream. And they are the reason that old corrupt guard is being swept away in this sea change.
I don't consider baseline health care for every citizen an uneccessary entitlement. I see it as humane and long overdue.
I saw the apathy you mention...until Obama motivated the apathetic young in this election. Whether he's your man or not, I assume you will join me in saying that this energized movement is anything but apathetic and is good for the country long term.
And as I've said before, "liberal" is just a conservative fear-phrase for "progressive". And the nature of human society is ultimately always on a slow path to change and progress.
The idylic times you refer to regarding your father and grandfather were times where women were treated like cattle, where a rich man could kill any poor man and pay a fine, where black men were killed as "less that human", where millions died of diseases we've long since cured, and families had to have lots of children because the odds were that many of them wouldn't live to see adulthood. Etc. etc. So, today's accepted values were yesterday's "liberal" values.
And it is natural to be hesitant about change. We get comfortable in our own skins and change challenges us on who we are. Quite scary for people who've come to accept certain aphorisms as "truth" rather than just "opinion". So, as I've said earlier, there is a natural balance between the forces of progress and nostalgia.
I'm talking primarily of Social progress, of course, as ironically, if Bush had been a true conservative, he would have shut down those reckless Wall Street gamblers a long time ago and would have never deregulated, would he?
But as for me, I'm not afraid of change. Not yet anyway.
The Iraq War. The greatest financial disaster since the Great Depression. $6 Trillion in new national debt during just 8 years of GWB more than all the debt of all the prior presidents.
But why be concerned? Just keep voting for the status quo.
If anything, I've attempted to bring about a sense of Justice and/or Revenge for the crimes of the past 8 years. I don't see as how I have been spreading "fear". Except to say that I don't believe McCain will "change" anything and that he has shown, with the way he's run this campaign (as opposed to 2000), that he really will be four more years of Bush. And, 74%+ of the American people do NOT want to see us stay on the same path, regardless of who wins the White House. So I think Obama is LESS likely to be Bush redux and McCain is MORE likely.
But that's hardly analogous to all the not very subtle race-baiting lies of "terrorist", "Muslim", etc. That's fear-mongering at its very worst. And the results are obvious, as I don't hear people shouting "kill Palin/McCain" at Obama's events at all - let alone on a daily basis.
- Joking
haha...OK, this is 101.. there wouldnt be these claims.. had he NOT associated with these people...goodness.. you act like its the reps. doing something wrong by bringing up the associations.. dont associate in the first place.. eh?
I suppose its Bushes fault too that he pal'd around with low life's while gaining political power in Chicago?
George Bush and our military has kept YOU safe for 8 years, lest we forget.
When the dems come in, cut our defense budget and we are attacked because of our perceived weak leadership, you bunch are going to feel like a right bunch of idiots.
I'd feel ashamed to say some of the things said in just this thread. I'm almost ashamed to read them.
Funny, I don't see any charges against them if they are "criminals".
I'm going to assume you are trying to be sarcastic, because believe me, I'm not afraid of anyone let alone whiny liberals.
"Difference" and change are not exactly good things. Ask Cubans about that.
And Obama hasn't? Obama has shut down journalists that ask him or Biden tough questions. He tried to enlist state police and prosecutors in shutting down his opponents. Yeah, change.
It's been shown many times the certificate on Factcheck.org was the same as the one the Dailykooks had. All Obama has to do is release the orignal certificate. If he has nothing to hide, then what is the problem? It's amazing that someone who wants to be President doesn't want a lot of his background known. What's even worse is that his supporters don't even care.
Aside from Chicago associations, lets look at who else 0bama supports:
About 50 parishioners were locked into the Assemblies of God church before it was set ablaze. They were mostly women and children. Those who tried to flee were hacked to death by machete-wielding members of a mob numbering 2,000.
The 2008 New Year Day atrocity in the Kenyan village Eldoret, about 185 miles northwest of Nairobi, had all the markings of the Rwanda genocide of a decade earlier.
By mid-February 2008, more than 1,500 Kenyans were killed. Many were slain by machete-armed attackers. More than 500,000 were displaced by the religious strife. Villages lay in ruin. Many of the atrocities were perpetrated by Muslims against Christians.
Terrible stuff.....but....
Initially, Mr. Odinga was not the favored opposition candidate to stand in the 2007 election against President Mwai Kibaki, who was seeking his second term. However, he received a tremendous boost when Sen. Barack Obama arrived in Kenya in August 2006 to campaign on his behalf. Mr. Obama denies that supporting Mr. Odinga was the intention of his trip, but his actions and local media reports tell otherwise.
Mr. Odinga and Mr. Obama were nearly inseparable throughout Mr. Obama's six-day stay. The two traveled together throughout Kenya and Mr. Obama spoke on behalf of Mr. Odinga at numerous rallies. In contrast, Mr. Obama had only criticism for Kibaki. He lashed out against the Kenyan government shortly after meeting with the president on Aug. 25. "The [Kenyan] people have to suffer over corruption perpetrated by government officials," Mr. Obama announced.
"Kenyans are now yearning for change," he declared. The intent of Mr. Obama's remarks and actions was transparent to Kenyans - he was firmly behind Mr. Odinga.
Better be careful ID, I hear calling someone out for what they actually are and did... is fearmongering ??
I only tend to see all these OB faults on this web site for some reason. I wonder if it's mostly in your own heads. I'm sure even after OB is elected and the conservatives lose some more seats in Congress you'll still be sticking to your smears ID.
But you Chicken Littles can keep up your endless the sky is falling drum beat all you want. Only your choir of sheep who want protection from the big bad liberal internet wolves will be listening anyway.
Lol... smears.... indeed the age of journalism is dead.. its now just flat denial.. as if these things never happened.
It's truly fantastic.
I think you forgot..alleged?
Your probably seeing them here cos were making them up.. pay no attention, act as if it didn't happen, smoke and mirrors.
Par for the course.
You should read some other sites, because they are all out there. It's not smears, it's fact. Please refute Obama's association with Odinga.
It's funny when an Obama supporter accuses conservatives of "sky is falling" tactics when that's all they have done in this thread.
Oh I'm sorry there vStyler you're a journalist now... with a highly reguarded reputation for reporting.
Besides in two more days OB is going to be elected. What are you phantom producers going to do then?
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