Every day I visit tons of website, forums, and social networks for all types of topics, most of which are technology based in some sort of form. This election cycle has really brought out the best of the liberal “group think” mentality regarding Obama. On just about every social network Obama is praised as “the one” and any hint of disagreement with his policies or ideals is immediately responded with accusations of racism, or just plain insults. Anybody who wants to claim that liberals are tolerant to others, please give me a shout because I can quickly debunk that. Even here on our network of sites, there have been insults tossed at the slightest hint of either supporting McCain, or being against Obama. I’m certainly not saying conservatives don’t dish out their fair share, but the mentality of liberals has once again bordered on the insane and hateful.
It’s tough being a proud conservative, as I will say what I think regardless of what the group and mob mentality is. The real shame is so many people, especially bloggers in the tech area, are afraid to do the same. I have received so many private notes and comments in support of standing up for conservatism, it’s almost crazy. The best comparison I can make is how conservative actors in Hollywood are often ridiculed or turned down for roles because of their conservative beliefs, and the same mentality is going on right now in the blogosphere. Conservative bloggers, some of which can be considered A-list are having to remain silent about their thoughts on Obama and McCain, simply because they are afraid of retribution from their employers or just not being able to pickup work from other sites. It’s a shame, and it’s more telling about liberals than it is anything.
I am a conservative, I don’t like Obama, and I will never let anyone intimidate me because of that.
I was responding to someone's question about why I'm voting for Obama. And therefore, my OPINION is relevant. Contrary to your own apparent belief, not every post in this thread is solely about responding to YOU!
Regardless, I posted this because somebody's post has apparently broken this here thread. Page 22...she is a broken!
I frankly wasn't particularly interested in this issue when I first heard about it, since there was no reason to doubt that he was born in Hawaii. But the dismissive condescension of Excalpius & BigDogBigFeet sparked my curiosity.
A number of aspects of this controversy make me wonder what we don't know and why BO & his campaign are so reluctant to enlighten us:
1 -The apparent forgery of the Cerfication of Live Birth.
2 -The question of whether Indonesian citizenship required renunciation of all other citizenship (at that time). I believe BO has acknowledged having had Indonesian citizenship before returning to Hawaii.
If renunciation was required and BO's family had indeed done so on his behalf, what would have been required to re-instate his US citizenship after he returned to Hawaii? Perhaps renunciation is a one-way street - once a US citizen, always a US citizen, unless it is revoked by the US government - I don't think so, but am still looking into that. Also not sure how his status as a minor at the time would have affected all of this.
In any event, the issue of his citizenship remains a very legitimate, and unanswered, question despite the Snopes entry.
EDIT - just spotted the reply indicating Hawaii has a legitimate birth certificate on file. As I said, I never had any reason to doubt where he was born. The rest of the story is still unnecessarily murky & incredibly easy to clarify if BO's campaign wanted to. Would also be interesting to hear why a fabricated document was used to 'Fight the Smears.'
When are you going to figure out that people are very good and making mountains out of mole hills. You want to cry wolf and bewail the sky is falling then go ahead do that. As I pointed out in a number of places in this thread people generate these sort of supposed "issues" merely to try and influence others. This BC thing and Indonesia thing is a non-issue that will disappear into obscurity. Guaranteed.
Why? Completely irrelevant to the effectiveness of a President. How about putting an end to all contributions and giftings to people in office? Oh wait, the influence peddlers and lobbyists might object along with the fat cat politicians. Beware the unanimous vote in Congress (Commodities Modernization Act) for you can be sure it was a purchased vote.
Why do you think GWB sought the power and then earmarked taxpayer dollars to "religious charities"? Because he suddenly became alturistic or because he wanted to buy influence and votes with taxpayer dollars. Sleeze and greaze, graft and corruption keeps reappearing in American politics.
Just two days left... do we want the great swindler in office or a veteran that spent more time in enemy captivity than the other candidate spent in the senate?
Seems a no brainer
Bush already got his eight years of swindling Americans and the rest of thw world. You aren't stumping for a third GWB term are you vStyler?
Where did I hear that before... oh ya, from George Tenet, Dick Chaney and Don "Rummy" Rumsfeld as they began salivating over the prospects of having that war with Iraq.
So you "trust" a Chicago thug politician, eh?
Two wrongs dont make a right.. last I heard Bush isnt running this time as much as dems would like to portray that.. in fact their entire campaign is based on it.
Cheap and underhanded way to win, as well as buying votes with handouts.
This can debated back and forth but its so obvious its comical to deny it.
Just like tax cuts for 95% over and over.. its a HUGE lie and a pity that people in hard times are falling for it.
Pitiful and Petty is how I sum up the Obama camp.
One other thing.. I hope Bill burton comes back on with Megyn to get the shaft again.. he thinks he's slick until put up against a professional hard nosed pit bull reporter like her.
I look forward to at least one more spanking of Burton on Fox.
Wasn't a 'mountain' until BO made it one by publishing a fake birth certificate. I'll repeat - I had no reason to doubt his citizenship. And it has become typical of you to simply take snide, meaningless potshots (556, 557).
And, having been trained in the Chicago School, BO will continue the grand tradition (snide potshots appearing to be the order of the day).
Admin FYI:
Someone's post on the previous page was breaking the pages with a quote mark, so i had to edit out the quotes on some of the posts to try and fix it. If you post looks like it was edited, then that was the reason.
My message is simple Daiwa it isn't a real issue or a real problem. But, you're just going to keep blowing the same old smoke you always do. You like to argue and fight and put up a great big act with how you are somehow being personally slighted to avoid the reality of the situation. In a few more weeks this so called BC issue will fade into obscurity.
Right I believe anything ID. The biggest criminals in office have been the current administration. Oh right I keep forgetting this is poor helpless ID the lone wittle Conservative on the big bad Liberal internet. No wonder you're so scared the big bad liberal wolves are gonna get ya ID.
Does that mean you... do.. trust him bdbf?
Just saw "W." Maybe you should too. 90% of the time with him?! 100% wrong.
He DIDN'T "publish a fake birth certificate". In fact his REAL one was released by his campaign on factcheck.org apparently, but that wasn't good enough for the conspiracy theory nuts because Obama provided it...sigh.
Now, everyone and their mother agrees the matter is put to rest...SO LET IT GO.
What do you want to know who I'm going to vote for?
Daiwa never let's anything go. Facts do not matter and reality just does not matter with Daiwa.
Bingo!
I believe Obama actually intends to make a difference. I hope he can succeed. The system is so damn corrupt now, on BOTH sides, that I think a man with this kind of mandate may be the only chance we have to reverse this.
And yeah, it's just a hope. Giving anyone absolute power is one of the greatest of gambles.
But, in my opinion, McCain showed in this campaign he will do ANYTHING to get his one last gasp at that power, and I believe that means he will do ANYTHING to keep it.
The only thing that gives me any respect for McCain at all is that I see him struggling with the sleeze. Not very effectively, but you can see it in his voice and in his eyes when he tries to turn negative. I find it very sad to see a man who was beaten down by torture after years now beaten down again by political sleeze-mongering and compromise.
No, doesn't matter to me, just blows my mind that someone who seems intelligent could get the wool pulled by such obvious misrepresentation and ethical weakness...thats all.
At least he does fight it.. rather than embrace it like the other side.
If Bill Burton isn't the most obvious example of political sleeze-mongering I don't know what is.
So every politician from Chicago is a "thug"?! Does that mean every politician from San Francisco is "gay"? Or every politician from Florida is "Jewish"? Or every politician from the midwest is a "rube"?
Can you prove that Obama has any "thugish" tendencies or is this just another unsubstantiated smear from whomever?
I do find it interesting that these smears all tend to come back to white fear of black stereotypes. This is one is the old thug=criminal=black from forty years ago. Though, if I remember correctly, the Chicago "thugs" were all white, so maybe not so much.
I think that BO is a credible candidate for the presidency. I've indicated in numerous posts that for me I wanted to vote for candidates who will do something to improve employment, the economy, access to healthcare and accountability in government.
MCPhalin falls short in all those areas. BO is much stronger in those areas.
As far as trust goes in government I believe in accountability and checks and balances as the three branchs of government were originally intended.
Are you aware that our Constitution requires that all Legislation originate in the House of Representatives? Are you also aware that lobbiests, private lawyers and industry insiders write proposed legislation that a Congressman then puts their name on in what is in my opinion a unconstitutional distortion of Legislative powers?
haha.. no silly, just the obviously thugish ones, u know the ones that hang around with domestic terrorists, radical racist preachers, PLO spokespeople, Mortgage felons, buys partisan organizations, represses campaign reporters etc...
It's MASSIVELY transparent to me.. don't sell out to it for a hand out.
Tres Thuggish indeed.
Oh I hear you alright vStyler. BO is popular be afraid. BO is leading in the polls cook up some more smears. I'm surprised the monsters haven't coined the term Al Qaeda of Obama yet. Fear mongering is the last dull weapon of the losing cause.
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