Every day I visit tons of website, forums, and social networks for all types of topics, most of which are technology based in some sort of form. This election cycle has really brought out the best of the liberal “group think” mentality regarding Obama. On just about every social network Obama is praised as “the one” and any hint of disagreement with his policies or ideals is immediately responded with accusations of racism, or just plain insults. Anybody who wants to claim that liberals are tolerant to others, please give me a shout because I can quickly debunk that. Even here on our network of sites, there have been insults tossed at the slightest hint of either supporting McCain, or being against Obama. I’m certainly not saying conservatives don’t dish out their fair share, but the mentality of liberals has once again bordered on the insane and hateful.
It’s tough being a proud conservative, as I will say what I think regardless of what the group and mob mentality is. The real shame is so many people, especially bloggers in the tech area, are afraid to do the same. I have received so many private notes and comments in support of standing up for conservatism, it’s almost crazy. The best comparison I can make is how conservative actors in Hollywood are often ridiculed or turned down for roles because of their conservative beliefs, and the same mentality is going on right now in the blogosphere. Conservative bloggers, some of which can be considered A-list are having to remain silent about their thoughts on Obama and McCain, simply because they are afraid of retribution from their employers or just not being able to pickup work from other sites. It’s a shame, and it’s more telling about liberals than it is anything.
I am a conservative, I don’t like Obama, and I will never let anyone intimidate me because of that.
Spread the Karma around! I have taken it upon my self to spread the Karma around equally. All posters are equal. Of course some posters are more equal and they received more Karma than the less equal posters. That's how they do it, in case you didn't know. If I missed anyone, I'm sorry. Caustic venom of the liberal spitting worm got on my note pad and some names were lost.
Island Dog, I agree with you about the rockstar status of Obama. First of all I would like to say that I don't entirly like McCain, you see I am what you probably would describe as a conservitive independent. I believe we (the people) should work to get rid of the Democrats and Republicans no one political party should have the power they have. While this won't chande the outcome of the election this year we have four years to look for alternatives to this stagnation. Remember Obama and McCain= More of the same
“According to Federal Election Commission documents filed by the Obama campaign, Onyango (Obama's Auntie, in the US illegally from Kenya) has contributed $260 to Obama over a period of time. Under federal election law, only U.S. citizens or green-card holders are legally permitted to give money to campaigns. Onyango, who listed her employer as the Boston Housing Authority, gave in small increments to the Obama campaign. Her latest contribution was $5 on Sept. 19.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081101/ap_on_el_pr/obama_aunt
The issue of Obama's birth certificate was put to rest yesterday. Hawaii has officially stated that they have an original birth certificate and the Ohio and Pennsylvania lawsuits were dropped.
Or maybe old and white haired means "born during an economic period when things aren't as ruthlessly competitive as they are now, therefore was easier to climb the ladder to success." My parents grew up in a time when a person could get a well-paying job without a high school diploma. Now a person needs a bachelor's degree just to take an entry level position! My parents both retired with a pension provided by their employer. If I ever want to retire, I'm suppose to provide for my own "golden-age" (ROFLMAO) with a 401K (one of these days I might get lucky enough to find an employer that matches funds), IRA, etc.
Here's the thing. Without my disguise, I could be labeled an old, white haired coot. (I'll be 50 next month, but I dye my hair, and I'm fighting "cootism" with every fiber of my being.) I don't believe that someone who came of age before the 70's has any kind of experience that would provide them with insight into what would consistitute as a mistake before it's made! It was an extremely different world back then; the US wasn't a global empire, things weren't near as competitive, "families" weren't as transient. If we thawed out a caveman, he'd be extremely old and experienced...would that make him fit to decide what's best for our future right now?
assume that I'm open minded and a possible fence sitter.....please list the things you believe make Obama "fit to decide what's best for my future right now" I'm interested in his qulaifications, not rhetoric but actual qualifications via experience.
http://obamasresume.org/
Experienced at what? Making a fire or grunting. Those that did 'come of age' before the 70's didn't stop learning after the 70's so they also experienced the 'global empire', the 'competion' has always been there and the 'familes' attitude has changed drastically in the past two generations.
Take for example one poster here referring to his grandmother as a "racist b*tch". My generation wouldn't think of calling any woman a b*tch - even Hillary.
Perhaps if the me-me-me generation would have a bit more respect for their fellow man and woman all of us could get along better.
I hear you... I am a proud Conservative in a ridiculously liberal university. I don't trust Obama to make intelligent decisions as his decision making has obviously been flawed in the past. (Wife who disrespects America, Pastor who hates America, and very good friend who wishes he had used more bombs in previous years.) Next thing you know, Osama Bin Laden, Hugo Chavez and company will be on Obama's staff. (Kidding, of course.)
I really don't think Obama is ready to run this country. I don't understand what everyone sees in him. Anyone want to clarify why they are voting for Obama?
Awesome good news.
Now I'm left wondering if, having had to relinquish his US citizenship to be allowed, legally, to go to school in Indonesia, a requirement at the time that he was there, does the US State Department now have a record of his repatriation.
me too.....
From his resume.....damn......I ccan't believe he's still a Senatore with a 2% success rate......
I don't think people vote for him because he's good at what he does.....my opinion
Near the top of my list of concerns is that Obama has not had a life most Americans can relate too. We grew up in home town America going to public school, riding the bus, eating at Bob's Diner and going to football games on Friday night and the Drive-In on Saturday night tyhen attending Church on Sunday. Obama has nothing in common with us....his white grandparents raised him in Indonesia and he's always had the golden spoon lifestyle. I don't believe that to be a disqualifier but there's no way he can represent me....he has no conception of where I am or where I come from. He's never served except in ways that lead to a political lifestyle. He's been groomed for this from day one from the looks of things.
Certain documents are not allowed to be photocopied for the reasons I stated before. If you look at the BOTTOM of the image I sent the link on, it makes it clear that it is the legal document required to prove what you are questioning.
The snopes link makes a good point regarding this happening EVERY election and never succeeding. It's just yet another magician's trick meant to keep us looking at anything BUT the issues in this election.
The couple thousand in questionable donations that the poster was referring to is CHUMP CHANGE. I assume you aren't questioning ALL of Obama's donations with that $600 million figure. That would be absurd.
THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE covers this kind of Cold War fear and conspiracy. I highly recommend it.
No, my point wasn't that I agree with his reasons for changing his mind on this - which I do.
My comments were geared to the CONSERVATIVES in this debate, as I found it hypocritical of them to bash Obama for changing his mind on this, but not on McCain for changing his position on everything he used to believe it - merely for the duration of this campaign. If you're going to semantically call Obama a "liar" for changing his position on this, then you must, in fairness and good conscience, call McCain a "liar" all of his newly found positions over this campaign.
Besides, the nomination for Vice President of the United States shouldn't be a joke.
And I'm certain that Barak is not laughing at any of the stuff that's left the mouth of his choice for VP lately.
However, his VP choice Biden did laugh heartily in a TV interviewer when asked for his opinion of Obama's statement, made on the radio that he, Obama, believed that the wealth, presently in the hands of American citizens, should be "redistributed".
Biden's reaction alone, clearly unable or unwilling to address or clarify questionable statements made by his running mate, makes me even more nervous about the comment Barak made that would suggest that American’s live too well and that our standard of living is too high for the rest of the world to tolerate. It would appear that, somehow, Barak Obama thinks that Americans need to be accepted by the rest of the world community and that, to do so, we must lower our standard of living.
""We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK. That's not leadership. That's not going to happen."-- Barack Obama
Yes, it is good to have a healthy relationship with the rest of the world, however lowering your standards to meet the low standards of others is definitely not leadership. It's more like cowardice rooted in low self-esteem or succumbing to guilt for being successful in the world, though I notice no guilt being displayed by the outrageous extravagance displayed in what would appear to be out of control spending throught the oil producing countries like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Dubai. When your friends have lower standards than you do, you shouldn't lower yourself to meet them at their level but rather, as a true leader, you should raise theirs up. Barak needs to learn this. This is true leadership in the direction that most Americans, who still believe in capitalism, think we need to go. The change that we might expect from someone who says that we live too well might not be the Change that we really want.
Absolutely! Bullshit is bullshit no matter where it comes from!
Hey, just because we don't necessarily agree on which man or woman might make the next best president doesn't mean we all don't have common ground. I respect everyone here, regardless of position, for putting their neck out enough to state their positions and engage in this discussion/debate.
I think it is clear that we all LOVE this country. And I think we all know we could NEVER have this kind of discussion in China, Iran, etc.
And, of course, we all love parfaits.
Obama was raised in Indonesia only from the age of 6 to 10. Then he went to school in Hawaii, Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, etc. 4 years, as a child, out of 47. And, unless you attended high school football games when you were in elementary school, your comparison is utterly incorrect. He did all the things you talk about, as an American student and citizen in the same public schools and classes all of us did. Football games, the works.
He has attended Catholic Church EVERY SUNDAY for twenty years (since he was Baptized in 1988), which is more than most American Christians can say. And just as long as George W. Bush has been a clean and sober Methodist.
Before that, he was non-denominational as his parents and grandparents were non-practicing Christians and his biological father (who he met only once for a month before his death) had long before turned from Islam to atheism.
His mother and stepfather raised him for those four years in Indonesia. His "white grandparents" raised him in the United States after that.
Actually, this is utterly absurd. It is well documented how hard he and his family worked to see Obama make it to college and through his graduation from Columbia and Harvard Law.
If you can't be bothered to learn the truth about both candidates, then you are letting you vote serve as a simple ideological tool, rather than its intended purpose. If you identify more with McCain and will thus vote for him, so be it, but to denigrate Obama's life of struggle with utter fallacies is disingenuous and unnecessary.
Again, I'll use wikipedia just because the summaries are peer-vetted and contain complete citations to the material presented within. And therefore it is easy for all to see if I have misquoted or misread anything.
Barack and his family
His maternal grandparents
I'm sorry you're correct.....we had a common lifestyle......I attended a $1,000/month private school in my formative years as well.........what public high school did he graduate from?
I'm not seeing it.......even in your links the Wikipedia stuff or anywhere else
edit: since we're on the wiki...here you go....public school my ass http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punahou_School
Because it's time for a leader of intelligence and integrity who is a good family man and clearly knows how to raise his family right.
He is a self-made man of vision who was not born with a silver spoon in his mouth and has worked harder for the American Dream that I had to.
Because this country has been saddled with utterly mediocre, milquetoast candidates from BOTH parties for far too long (thank you Iowa! ahem).
He's the real deal - a leader and a true statesman.
Because it's time to put decades of ignorance born of irrational fear behind us - especially those who are still fighting the Vietnam War in their minds or are still afraid of blacks, immigrants, commies/socialists, and people who are gay.
The younger generation (in heart and mind, not age) isn't afraid of any of these things. Nor should they be.
It's "sea change" time.
Where did I say public school?!
Either way, why does not attending a public high school eliminate him from public service?! They had a football team, local restaurants, etc. etc. just like any other school mentioned in your previous (and nostalgic for the, um, 1950's) post.
Regardless, since you can't vote for "private boarding school" McCain now either, I guess that leaves you voting for who, Ralph Nader?!
Did you vote for Bush? Anyone who's going to give Obama crap for his Copper Spoon, had better have given Bush crap for his Platinum Spoon? Otherwise, they'd be a hypocrit on this issue.
I agree wholeheartedly. And I really don't think Iowa should be filtering our candidates for the rest of the nation. Pehaps regional primaries would help make elections a lot shorter and more "balanced". In the case of three or four parties, that sort of opportunity to make a huge difference in hanving more than two people on the ballot come November too.
Exactly. There are a huge number of middle-men in between the caregivers and the patients now. Get rid of them and you'll find the doctors make MORE money, don't have to make such unconscionable sacrifices (the leg or the right procedure), and the patients get better care. And yes, it costs us all less, because the profiteers are gone.
You know, the way health care insurance used to cover us in the 50's and 60's and the same way it now works in every other civilized nation in the world BUT ours...ahem.
No spin, no hype. I've lived overseas and have seen these health care systems first hand. We have the world's greatest caregivers being marked up 1000% so that HMOs and insurance companies can show stock dividends at the cost of everyday human lives.
Not long to go now, will it be the candidate that has suffered and fought for his county his whole life or... The candidate... who... hasn't...at all..in anyway... what - so - ever?
Choose wisely !
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