http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=28108
OH MAN
Dang it, I cant drink (too young), I'll be sober when I go.
Maybe we could somehow pop up on a new planet that could support us?
Or maybe it will only take out Switzerland and France?
It's a 1 in 10^40 chance, which is a 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance, or roughly 10000000000000000000000000 times less likely than you being hit by a meteor.
In other words, find something else to worry about.
That's complete gibberish, the energies involved in this experiment are an insignificant fraction of an insignificant fraction of the energies involved in the big bang. The big bang set the energy budget for the entire universe, after all.
Yeah it could change the world...into strange matter. whether or not we can benefit from this we have to understand that this could destroy life for ALL of us, and i feel that we should have a say in it.
If we're lucky only France and Switzerland will be taken out.
Removal of the French will be greatly appreciated by us rednecks.
EDIT: sry for the useless post, the other one didn't come up for some reason
offcourse it wont make a black hole, u wont get a black hole by smashing 2 electrons together.
also all they did so far is bringing and looping electrons at 10.000 round p/s (a loop of 27 kilometers!)
the actual collinding of electrons will take like a month from my understanding.
all they did today was "turn it on" and bring an electron in the loop, it hasnt collided anything yet.
all they are checking for is what particles/"debre" u get when 2 electrons smash into eachother at an insane speed and if u'd get new or unknown particles, and if they could get new particles from the collision(energy becomes matter) and what they are.
the idea behind this is: remember when electrons were first discovered and how that changed the world?(electricity)
and the splitting of atoms?(nuclear technology)
Who knows what we can find and do if we go "in there" even deeper/further.
anyway.....keep the beers comin!
Black hole would be boring... I want a Doom-esque rift to Hell, from which pours an unrelenting tide of Cacodemons and Hell Knights breathing terrible balefire onto the huddled, fearful masses.
But, barring that, I'd be happy with the expansion of scientific knowledge, so that humanity might take another step away from the superstitious campfire-shadows of religion.
Stephen Hawking is NOT infallible.
"If the centre-of-mass energy of two elementary particles is indeed higher than the Planck scale ED, and their impact parameter b is lower than the Schwarzschild radius RH, a black hole must be produced. If the Planck scale is thus in the TeV range, the 14 TeV centre-of-mass energy of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) could allow it to become a black-hole factory with a production rate as high as about one per second."
http://cerncourier.com/cws/article/cern/29199
"It is important to note that the resulting mini black holes have radii that are much smaller (of the order of 10-4fm in the case of those that can be expected from the LHC) than the size of extra dimensions, and that they can therefore be considered as totally immersed in a D-dimensional space, which has, to a good approximation, a time dimension and D-1 non-compact space dimensions."
"Its lifetime is very short (of the order of 10-26s) and its temperature (typically about 100 GeV here) is much lower than it would be with the same mass in a four-dimensional space."
That's about 0.00000000000000002 centimeters (or if you'd prefer about 0.0000000000000002 millimeters) in diameter.
A transistor on a modern processor is 45nm to 65nm (actually somewhat smaller than that, but we don't need to get into that today) and this is approximately 0.0000000002 nm, or if you'd prefer one five billionth as large (or rather, as small).
"Under the International System of Units, the second is currently defined as: the duration of 9 192 631 770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the cesium 133 atom."
So 10-26 seconds is about 10.9 quadrillionths of the above referenced atomic interaction. In decimals, that's roughly 0.0000000000000000919263177.
Light, which travels at 186,282.397 miles per second (or if you'd prefer approximately 299,000 km/s), will only travel about one third of a billionth of a nanometer in this time period.
"It should be stated, in conclusion, that these black holes are not dangerous and do not threaten to swallow up our already much-abused planet. The theoretical arguments and the obvious harmlessness of any black holes that, according to these models, would have to be formed from the interaction of cosmic rays with celestial bodies, mean that we can regard them with perfect equanimity."
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Sorry to spoil the fun.
I believe that's the motto of gynecologists everywhere.
Well, i've been seriosly reasurching on the Large hadron collider, now let me tell you something about it.
In the first place, chanse of it creating a black whole are 0.000000000000001. The value are not absolutly exact, but noone will give you absolutly exact value on thi- it is estimation. Now, in case it does create a black hole, the black hole evaporates. Even if chanse for the evaporation theory to be wrong is 50% (and the chanse is really much lower) the chanse of black hole damaging eath has to be at least!!! devided by 2, so it is now 0.00000000000000000000000000001 (28 zeroes). Now after that you have unastematably lowchanse of the black hole to move slower than 20-8m/s (escape velosity from earth gravily field). The speed of the colliding particle rays is very crose to speed of light, wich is 300000000 meters per second. What is the chanse o them slowing down that much? Let me tell you, that in the history, wich operated much slower collisions, nothing lik this ever hapened. If the speed of black hole is over that, it will fly away from earth and do no damage. The last issue is that noone knows if such microscopic black whole will be able to suck anything in at all. So, if you add up all of the zeroes, thay will not fit on your monitor screen. Now, even in the worse scenario, suking up our planet for the black whole will take anything from a thousand to few trillion years, after the sun explodes, when we will not really care about it!
and by the way, in case that formation of blackwhole on suck low energies is possible, there are few thousand blackholes formed in our atmosfere every day from collision of particles with high energy cosmic rays. We are still alive. Will having 1001 instead of 1000 a day change something?
@ Maxsim_Goratiev - So you're telling me there's a chance.
(Lloyd Christmas)
You're forgetting Stephen Hawking! He said that black holes evaporate inversely proportional to their mass.
Such a puny black hole will simply evaporate, or get PWNed by Stephen Hawking.
If not, Louis Black will do a special on black holes, and declare them the root of all evil!
The worst that could happen, is that they end up creating Barneyzilla, who sings an extremely loud and off key rendition of 'you love me, I love you'....
Actually what they are looking for, is the God Particle.
the chances of a black hole are highly unlikely
for those who have played Half-Life
The possibility of a “resonance cascade” scenario is highly unlikely
Ok thanks. The possibilty is still there though...Us humans only know so much, and there is something called human error. So as long as the chance is there, however small it is, its still a chance...and the world could end when they test it.
@DalzK
Clearly, you, like much of the rest of the populace, are unaware of how physics work.
Black holes do not function as they are depicted in popular culture-the only time they're marginally close to this is when you're inside the event horizon. They obey the same laws of physics as everything else (although the no hair theorem is a source of confusion), and a black hole on this small scale would have insufficient mass to pull anything in before it evaporated. Notice the reference to how far light would travel in that timeframe, and then remember that nothing travels that fast. Not even the force of gravity, however strong, can break that limit (in general-special cases exist, but they're not relevant for our discussion), and in this case, the force of gravity is not that strong.
As far as the possibility of some event, whether or not it is related to the micro black holes, or dragons, or Barney, or whatever, is concerned-quantum mechanics does have a bit to say about the LHC, and that's where the vast majority, if not all, of this uncertainty comes from. According to quantum mechanics, anything can happen.
But I don't see anyone worried about the dragons.
And, for the record, we are still alive.
http://www.cracked.com/article_16583_5-scientific-experiments-most-likely-end-world.html
Best article on the subject. In my opinon anyways.
If a threatening black hole is created, won't Chuck Norris simply roundhouse-kick it into non-existence?
http://lhccam.com/
Pretty cool link here to a live webcam of the LHC, pretty cool to see it in action.
Sole Soul they didnt even collide the particles yet...it was just a full beam test thats all.
I guess it is you who doesntk now how physics works...infcat you said it yourself...anything can happein in quantum mechanics, and so there is a chance there will be a large stable black hole that will kill us all gg gb no re
@ DalzK
if human error is so likely, then how do we know it will even make a black hole?
@ Sole Soul
Quantum Mechanics doesn't even work for everything, only for insanely small things! Heck, we don't even know for sure if it works at all! (obviously gravity + stuff works, but I mean the rest of it)
rofl at the webcam
(Every time I hit the edit button it just refreshes the page....)
So, is this black hole smaller than the atoms it would attempt to engulf?
Yes, theoretically. All matter has a gravity-field, adding its field to all other fields. Any region of space where the gravity field overpowers light will technically be a black hole. If such a region exists inside an atom, then yes, but if such a thing can happen is up to Michio Kaku!
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