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There is an interesting article in the N Y Times today about a stone tablet found amid the Dead Sea Scrolls. Apparently it suggests that the notion of a suffering messiah who would rise in three days was a common belief in the century prior to the Christian Jesus.
The article suggests:
If such a messianic description really is there, it will contribute to a developing re-evaluation of both popular and scholarly views of Jesus, since it suggests that the story of his death and resurrection was not unique but part of a recognized Jewish tradition at the time.
Hmmm. The death and resurrection myth prior to Jesus' birth? It would seem this adds to the notion advance some decades ago by a Jewish scholar suggesting this whole Jesus script was a scheme to get Jesus recognized as the Messiah, that Jesus was aware of the things that needd to happen before they happened in order to meet the criteria.
And later:
Mr. Knohl said that it was less important whether Simon was the messiah of the stone than the fact that it strongly suggested that a savior who died and rose after three days was an established concept at the time of Jesus. He notes that in the Gospels, Jesus makes numerous predictions of his suffering and New Testament scholars say such predictions must have been written in by later followers because there was no such idea present in his day.
But there was, he said, and “Gabriel’s Revelation” shows it.
“His mission is that he has to be put to death by the Romans to suffer so his blood will be the sign for redemption to come,” Mr. Knohl said. “This is the sign of the son of Joseph. This is the conscious view of Jesus himself. This gives the Last Supper an absolutely different meaning. To shed blood is not for the sins of people but to bring redemption to Israel.”
Strange.
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Actually, within the Jewish faith tradition, it does. Jews are Jews; Christians are Christions. They are two separate religions. If a Jew converts to Christianity he becomes an apostate. He is not a Jewish Christian which is a contradiction in terms. , from a Jewish point of view. Now, if he should renounce his Christianity and come back to Judaism, he is welcomed home.
Be well.
Jews do not hold this to be so. The message in the bible is a message of transformation through relationship with God. We are not born in sin, but we are born, essentially, with our eyes closed. Our life's processes are directed through following God's commandments, that is, His plan for Holy living, and as a result, we open our eyes, join God, and enter a relationship that has always been what it is, imminant and complete.
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You are doing a fantastic job in replying.
You are a very patient woman.
No, not a sinful nature, but rather, a sinful inclination.
David was speaking about his own immediate history, not Adam and Eve.
We must be very careful with quotes like this. Uncleanliness has nothing to do with inherited sin. It has everything to do with ritual purity. This is a common and even present concern among observant Jews. An observant Jew cannot eat in any but a kosher restaurant because even in a vegetarien restaurant there is the possibility of a worker who had touched pork or some other unclesn thing, coming into contact with a clean thing, thus rendering it unclean. So, the point is that clean, that is, ritually pure, cannot come from unclean.
See ya.
Thanks, Tova, but who knew?
Frankly, I think its the mix of points of view and, in the main, patient and decent interaction, that makes threads like this both interesting and useful. The originating article seems to get lost along the way.
Most interesting Lula. This take is somewhat different from my understanding of he meaning of "Original sin."
Based on this understanding, how would a baby be condemned to hell or purgatory, which is where an unbaptised child is (I thought) said to go at death?
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As an aside, it seems to me that there are some of us "religiously oriented" folk who need such a forum as JU provides. We seem to move our discussion group from one thread to another, but seem typically to come back to some common themes. My feeling is thast we are coming a bit closer together, though we have a ways to go.
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