According to this, the typical mentality of a console gamer is to eat up whatever developers throw at them and like it?
Fact is, a massive portion of PC games supports multiple control schemes. So its not that difficult to do. It only illustrates a developer team's incompetence if they try to hide the lack of flexibility in the design of their game with transparent argumentation such as the one you stated above.



If the developer is making such a narrow-minded, set-piece game that using a different control scheme "destroys the immersion", then the developer is not making a good game, period. No, they are not obliged to make a good game. But neither can they hide that fact behind ye olde "its not a bug/poor design, its a feature" argument.
And frankly, until you haven't played a lightsaber duel (multiplayer) with a keyboard and mouse, you haven't played a lightsaber duel at all. 3 seconds to line up a shot? Must be funny to watch. Wii version sounds interesting though, but not enough to warrant buying the platform.

And last but not least - when it comes to controls, game design can go much further than just making enemies slow, dumb, taking cover a lot and thus making every battle generally feel like a set-piece, non-replayable thing (Gears of War). Take Assassin's Creed. Since that game is all about melee, the smart thing, and not only for console gamers, was to include the lock-on option. It makes duels much more realistic, it makes the game much easier to play and generally is a mark od good design. Why? Because with that single feature you practically elliminated variation between how console and PC versions play, though due to the responsiveness of a keyboard I would still prefer the PC scheme.
There. One doesn't have to make "a dozen different games". Only a single well designed one.

I don't think the point of this thread was "my toy is better than your toy, so if you don't have my toy, just go home."

I don't care whether you believe that consoles are better gaming platforms than PCs; obviously, we know what Alphonse and SanChonino's opinions are on that point.

I reiterate: I think it's lame that LucasArts chose to ignore a large installed base of devices fully capable of running their game because it couldn't be bothered to make a compatible version. If it had not made this decision, it would undoubtedly have sold many more units of the finished product. And, yes, I think it's lame in no small part because I don't own any consoles, so it's personal for me, because I have enjoyed previous LA titles, most of which were available on PCs.

These "why PC gaming is dying" and "pirating PC games is so easy a two-year-old can do it" threads just get on my damn nerves.

If companies want to stop making games for the PC market, of course, that is their right. It's also my right to bitch about it if it makes me unhappy, so I will. And if you want to call me names for expressing my opinion, I guess that's your prerogative too. But that kind of activity doesn't make me look like a dick.

Yeah, because, you know, the evil pirates would crack the game and nobody would buy a single copy! *rolleyes

And this:




Is a classic example of logical error. Namely, the assumption that just because *you* find the joystick solution agreeable and the keyboard&mouse tedious does not mean *everyone* does, and certainly does not prove my conclusion invalid. I, for example, played Tie Fighter by keyboard alone if I am not mistaken, and liked it very much. X-wing too before that.
Can't aim worth a damn with joysticks. Turns a game into a bunch of tedious crap as far as I am concerned.
Not that I will judge it so... as long as the brilliant developers don't force me to eat excrement in the name of their laziness masked as "vision". In which case they can take their vision and cram it up their rectal sphincters.

wow, has this turned into a PC vs Console war of some sort? getting confusing now.

Yea, My bad.
Maybe I shouldn't of posted the topic, its kinda turning into a flame war. Lighten the tone please, there is nothing wrong with debating but some posts are just asking the other side to start flaming...

I noticed...
Sorry mods, if you mods think its getting out of hand could you guys just lock it. Thanks

guess what, i played the demo the other day and it rules, sucks to be those that cant play it, get a console that can.

I'm also of the opinion that the excuse is bollocks. I'm really not going to lose any sleep over The Force Unleased  non-appearance, however. It's been some years since I bought a LucasArts game, (though I've had the misfortune to play Empire At War) and a very long time since LucasArts on the box was a guarantee of quality.

 There's more decent PC games out there than I've got time to play anyway.

 

I know a few people who will rent this, and thats how I will get to play it, all in all its just a big single player game, with VERY limited replay value after the 2nd go-thru.

And that's why PC gaming is dying.

 

With Fallout 3, Far Cry 2 (so much about "it's too demanding for it to run smoothly on a PC" argument) and GTA IV (hey, look at that, its using Euphoria motion engine too!) coming to PC, I'm not really shedding tears over the laters sabertastic extravaganza from Lucasarts, especially since it seems it is going to be a game of "I-pwn-yoo-arse-with-meh-lightning-boltz" which admittedly is fun - for the first ten minutes.

So on one hand you've got Far Cry 2 with its ultra-crisp graphics and detailed physics simulation to the point of having the player character subjected to a physics simulation of broken limbs if one is careless enough to, say, crash a speeding jeep through a wooden shack full of bad guys; and also GTA IV using the same lauded Euphoria engine as the Force Unleashed - and on the other end you've got Lucasarts saying they didn't make a PC version because of  those exact same things making it impossible to play the game on a PC.

Interesting.

I think it is lame, but I don't think it's laziness:"I just don't FEEL like porting it over..."<scratches behind>

It's just Cost VS Sales, they stand only to gain from the numerous console sales. With the numerous fantastic games that have been available to both PC's and consoles, I don't buy the scalability excuse-I can't play Bioshock on my PC at max settings, but it's still a beautiful blast of gaming awesomeness.

Beyond all that... As a tabletop roleplayer, what has irritated me the most about this mess is the delay of TFU sourcebook due to delays of the game, in a desire to not spoil the "plot" of the game. The books have been literally sitting in storage for months waiting for the stupid game to come out. Spoilers? C'mon... Anyone with even a modicum of common sense can avoid any information they might find to "spoil" the highly intricate plot of the game.

I barely have an interest in the game itself, which has swollen like an untreated boil, in the light of all this cross-platform, "yeah, it's coming out on the DS but it's way too awesome for your year-old computer", HYPE.

It might be a fantastic game, or it might be an amped-up Daikatana with Crysis-esque system requirements, leaving gamers shrugging WTF was that all about?