I've read a few of her articles.  She doesn't seem to be very smart, though occasionally right (in the Venn diagram sense).

I caught the context.  You're still attacking the person "She doesn't seem to be very smart" but not the arguments she presents. 

Just don't think your logical fallacies are getting you anywhere.  Even if you justified her not being smart you still wouldn't have said anything against what she wrote about vaccinations.  And really, I'm not asking you to do anything, I'm just letting you know that you didn't score any points with an ad hominem fallacy.

Can we all agree that someone's argument can still be valid whether they are smart or not?

 Anyway.. lovely people...please....let's not get my fine, serious blog too far off track.

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Federal government gives University of California $500K grant to promote Gardisal

Facing up to vaccines created with aborted fetal cells

by Michael Cook

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  Thu Aug 22, 2013 09:54 EST
  
   

Leonard  Hayflick examines WI-38 cells which were derived from an aborted Swedish girl.

August 22, 2013 (MercatorNet)
- After decades of ignoring the issue, Nature, the world’s leading
science journal, has finally acknowledged that creating life-saving vaccines
from tissue from aborted foetuses is a deeply controversial ethical issue.

In 1964, an American researcher obtained
cells from a Swedish foetus aborted because her mother already had enough
children. He coaxed them into multiplying into a cell line which he called
WI-38. Since they were normal and healthy, they were ideal for creating
vaccines. Two years later, scientists in the UK obtained cells from a 14-week
male fetus aborted for "psychiatric reasons" from a 27-year-old
British woman. This cell line is called MRC-5.

It is undeniable that the vaccines made
from WI-38 and MRC-5 cells have saved millions of lives. Scientists have made
vaccines against rubella, rabies, adenovirus, polio, measles, chickenpox and
shingles, as well as smallpox, chicken pox and hepatitis A.

But protests by opponents of abortion have
been largely ignored by the scientific community. If you Google “vaccines” and
“abortion”, only Catholic groups, right-to-life organisations and sites warning
about the dangers of vaccinations mention the topic. The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
barely alludes to it even though it has abundant information on vaccines. A
website called Vaccine Ethics at the
University of Pennsylvania Center for Bioethics fails to mention it.

The reason is clear: vaccines save lives
and the abortions happened a long time ago. Get over it. Who cares? “At the
time [the fetus] was obtained there was no issue in using discarded material.
Retrospective ethics is easy but presumptuous,” says Stanley Plotkin, the
American scientist who developed the rubella vaccine. “I am fond of saying that
rubella vaccine has prevented thousands more abortions than have ever been
prevented by Catholic religionists.”

But now even Nature – which supports
abortion rights and reproductive technology – has expressed its misgivings.
“More than 50 years after the WI-38 cell line was derived from a fetus, science
and society [have] still to get to grips with the ethical issues of using human
tissue in research,” its editorial declared in June.

What has changed?

If you could single out a reason, it would
be the intensely moving 2010 best-seller, The Immortal
Life of Henrietta Lacks, by Rebecca Skloot. This book has
nothing to do with abortion, but it highlights the deep respect, almost
sacredness, that the body of a human person must command, even something as
insignificant as discarded tissue.

Henrietta Lacks was an African-American
woman who was 31 when she died of cervical cancer in 1951. Cells from her
tumour became the first human cells cultured continuously for use in research.
HeLa cells have helped to make possible some of the most important medical
advances of the past 60 years, including modern vaccines, cancer treatments,
and IVF techniques. They are the most widely used human cell lines in
existence. More than 300 scientific papers are published every month using HeLa
cells.

There is no question about their usefulness
– but were they obtained ethically? Is it ethical to continue using them?

The Immortal Life of Henrietta
Lacks raises disturbing questions which transcend “usefulness”.
Henrietta Lacks was poor and black. Her children, it seems, are even poorer. A
doctor at Johns Hopkins removed her cells without asking her. He cultivated the
cells without informing her. He distributed the cells without asking permission
of her family. Companies became rich by using her cells without paying
royalties. Her family only learned that their mother’s cells had been scattered
around the world in 1973. Their complaints were ignored for many years – after
all, they were only poor, uneducated black folks.

No one cared about the woman called
Henrietta Lacks who was overdosed with radium, who died leaving five children
behind, one of them an epileptic housed in a filthy, chaotic institution called
The Hospital for the Negro Insane. Some people even thought that HeLa cells
originated with a woman named Helen Lane. Her daughter wrote in a diary, “When
that day came, and my mother died, she was Robbed of her cells and John Hopkins
Hospital learned of those cells and kept it to themselfs, and gave them to who
they wanted and even changed the name to HeLa cell and kept it from us for 20+
years. They say Donated. No No No Robbed Self.”

It was only earlier this year that the US
National Institutes of Health (NIH) negotiated an agreement with the family.
All researchers who use or generate full genomic data from HeLa cells must now
include in their publications an acknowledgement and expression of gratitude to
the Lacks family.

Incredibly, despite all the publicity,
scientists continued to ignore the concerns of the Lacks family. Just a few
months ago, German researchers published the first sequence of the full HeLa
genome. This compromised not only Henrietta Lacks’s genetic privacy but also
her family’s. (The researchers have removed the sequence from public view.)

The story of HeLa cells, in short, is
twofold: a story of towering scientific achievement and a story of exploitation
by ambitious and callous scientists.

Less famous, but even more important, says Nature,
have been WI-38 cells. HeLa cells multiply prolifically, but they are
cancerous. WI-38 cells are healthy and normal and have been used to develop
vaccines against rubella, rabies, adenovirus, polio, measles, chickenpox and
shingles. Their origin is even more controversial than the dark story of
Henrietta Lacks.

In 1962 a Swedish woman who was four months
pregnant had a legal abortion because she did not want another child. The lungs
of the foetus were removed and sent to Philadelphia. At the Wistar Institute
for Anatomy and Biology they were minced up, processed and cultured by Leonard
Hayflick. He had been culturing cells from aborted foetuses for years, even
though abortion was technically illegal in Pennsylvania at the time, except for
medical emergencies.

After he successfully multiplied the WI-38
cells, Hayflick created more than 800 batches and distributed them freely
around the world to drug companies and researchers. He eventually quarrelled
with Wistar authorities because he thought that his contribution was being
ignored. Without permission, he took all the remaining batches to California
and his new job at Stanford. This led to years of bitter legal battles over who
owned the cells. No one worried about where they had come from.

The abortion connection is beyond dispute,
although, as Nature points out, “until now, that story has failed to
reach the broad audience it deserves.” As in the Henrietta Lacks case, no
informed consent was given by the Swedish mother. Her identity is known but she
refuses to talk about the case. The doctors involved are all dead. A Swedish
medical historian told Nature that in Sweden, “research material like
tissues from aborted fetuses were available and used for research without
consent or the knowledge of patients for a long time”, both before and after
consent rules were tightened later in the 1960s.

The drug companies and institutions which
have used WI-38 deny that there are serious ethical concerns either with the
use of cells from aborted foetuses or with the lack of consent.

The institution which has examined this
issue most closely is the Vatican. In 2005 it released a meticulously
researched study of the ethical issues involved in using vaccines
which had been developed with tissue from aborted foetuses. Even though it
contended that parents could have their children vaccinated with a clear
conscience, it did not dismiss the question as irrelevant or absurd. On the
contrary, it concluded that “there is a grave responsibility to use alternative
vaccines and to make a conscientious objection with regard to those which have
moral problems.”

And it said that the existing situation was
completely unjust. “Parents… are forced to choose to act against their
conscience or otherwise, to put the health of their children and of the
population as a whole at risk. This is an unjust alternative choice, which must
be eliminated as soon as possible.”

What is the way forward?

I am writing from suburban Sydney which
long ago lost its connection to the Aboriginal tribes who once lived here. Yet
at every civic ceremony we acknowledge the memory of the Cammeraygal and
Wallumedegal peoples. It is a form of reparation for the dispossession, disease
and death which carried them away, leaving neither names nor descendants.

Doesn’t the story of Henrietta Lacks
suggest that drug companies should do something similar with their vaccine
products? From now on, the NIH says, scientists who use HeLa cells must include
“an acknowledgment and expression of gratitude to the Lacks family for their
contributions”.

Why shouldn’t drug companies and
researchers who use the WI-38 (or the MRC-5 cells) do the same? “This vaccine
was developed with the cells of a Swedish child who was aborted in 1964. We are
grateful for her contribution and grieve at her absence.”

Reprinted with permission from
Mercatornet.com under a creative commons license.

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That would merit further study on your part.  You could start with polio.

When it comes to immunization i do not like the general arrogant dismissive attitude of the medical profession against  the risks of immunization. It just gives me the feeling they think the general population are too stupid to handle the truth.

But i also dislike the situation even more regarding those who fear immunization because of ignorant beliefs..... Ironically i do think that to some degree arrogant medical professionals feed this fear.

AP

Texas
megachurch linked to 21 measles cases

Associated
Press    

DALLAS
(August 27, 2013) - A Texas megachurch linked to at least 21 measles cases has
been trying to contain the outbreak by hosting vaccination clinics, officials
said.

The outbreak
started when a person who contracted measles overseas visited Eagle Mountain
International Church in Newark, located about 20 miles north of Fort Worth,
Texas. Officials with area health departments said those affected by the
outbreak range in age from 4-months to 44-years-old. All of the school-age
children with measles were homeschooled, and majority of those who were
infected had not been vaccinated.



"If it finds a pocket of people who are unimmunized, and the majority of
our cases are unimmunized so far, then if you are around a person with measles,
you will get sick," Russell Jones, chief epidemiologist for Tarrant County
Public Health, said Monday.



In a recent sermon posted online, senior pastor Terri Pearsons encouraged those
who haven't been vaccinated to do so, adding that the Old Testament is
"full of precautionary measures."



"I would encourage you to do that. There's absolutely nothing wrong with
doing that. Go do it. Go do it. Go do it. And go in faith," said Pearsons,
whose father is televangelist Kenneth Copeland.  But she added, if
"you've got this covered in your household by faith and it crosses your
heart of faith then don't go do it.



"The main thing is stay in faith no matter what you do."



In Tarrant County, where the church is located, 11 of the 16 people with
measles were not vaccinated while the others may have had at least one measles
vaccination. In nearby Denton County, none of their five cases had been
vaccinated.



Texas Department of State Health Services spokeswoman Christine Mann said so
far across the state there have been 27 cases of the measles this year, with
five of those cases having no links to current outbreak. She said it is unclear
whether a case recently diagnosed in Harris County, where Houston is located,
is tied to the outbreak. There were no cases in the state last year and six the
year before.



Measles is spread by coughing, sneezing and close personal contact with
infected people; symptoms include a fever, cough, and a rash on the face. The
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends that children get two
doses of the combined vaccine for measles, mumps and rubella, called the MMR.
The first does should be when they are 12 to 15 months old and the second when
they are 4 to 6 years old.



Vaccination opt-out rates nationwide have been creeping up since the mid-2000s,
spurred in part by the belief the battery of vaccinations routinely given to
infants could lead to autism despite scientific evidence to the contrary and
the debunking of one of the most publicized studies that first fueled vaccine
fears years ago.



Pearsons' father is a pioneer of the prosperity gospel, which holds that
believers are destined to flourish spiritually, physically and financially _
and share the wealth with others. He has built a vast ministry with a worldwide
reach.  Eagle Mountain International Church is located on the grounds as
the Kenneth Copeland Ministries.



Robert Hayes, risk manager with Kenneth Copeland Ministries, said they have
held several vaccination clinics since the outbreak. He said the church has
never advised against adults or children getting immunized for measles or
seeking medical care.



A statement from the organization said their position regarding any medical
condition is to "first seek the wisdom of God, His Word, and appropriate
medical attention from a professional that you know and trust."



Hayes did not know why some people had not immunized their children.



"Some had for whatever reason chosen not to. Some depending on the age of
their child were advised by their physician to wait until the child was a
certain number of years old. I don't get a sense for why after that they did
not," he said.



He said if people are still choosing to not be immunized and they've been
exposed to the measles they are being asked to isolate themselves until it is
clear they are not infected.



The incubation period for measles is about two weeks from exposure to fever.
People are contagious from four days before getting the rash to four days
before breaking out in a measles rash.

- See more
at: http://www.onenewsnow.com/ap/united-states/texas-megachurch-linked-to-21-measles-cases#.UhzYzzbD-po

Possible.  The plague ended, too, without benefit of medical intervention.

But I wouldn't have bet against the plague at the time.

Mystikmind, welcome to the discussion.

My translation is "...thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God."

It's true we are not to test Divine protection, but I don't think St. Luke 4:12 applies in this instance.

I agree with Terri Pearsons admonition. She was talking about faith and morals. If it crosses your heart of faith, then don't do it. Another way of saying that is, if it goes against your Christian formed conscience, then don't do it.

Now besides health, there are moral and ethical issues involved with vaccines. We have a moral obligation to decide if the vaccine is not only safe and effective, but also good or bad and a sovereign right over our own body to consent or refuse it.  

Now my Christian formed conscience tells me that Vaccines that are made from aborted fetal cells are bad and I would make the choice for my children and for myself not to have it.