Vaccinations--Pros and Cons
Safe and Effective and should they be government mandated?
The number of available vaccines are increasing and so are the questions of parents and concerned individuals who want to be enlightened about the pros and cons.
On another forum, KFC noted that some parents in Belgium are being jailed for refusing to have their children vaccinated against polio. According to a Lifesite news report, 2 sets of parents have been sentenced to five months in prison as well as a hefty fine for their crime. It’s a crime because the polio vaccine is legally mandated in Belgium and France. The article didn’t reveal why the parents have refused to vaccinate their children. However, vaccination has long been a subject of health and ethical concern, especially since the discovery that numerous vaccines, including several versions of the polio vaccine, are made using tissue from aborted fetuses. It’s unclear whether or not Belgium's polio vaccine has been tainted with fetal tissue.
While no vaccine is 100% safe, medical experts and health officials have long insisted the risk of diseases far outweigh the risks associated with vaccines. And that’s where the rub lies. It’s a small percentage, but what if it happens to you? Various anti-vaccination groups argue that long-term health concerns for children who have received vaccinations have not been adequately addressed, with some claiming that vaccination shots can lead to medical problems such as cancer, autism and even SIDS, "sudden infant death syndrome".
In 1986, due to pressure from parents who children had suffered devastating problems after being vaccinated, the government created the National Vaccine Compensation Program and since then has paid out more than 1.2 billion dollars in settlements to compensate families or individuals in which vaccines killed, caused brain-damage or otherwise seriously hurt children.
Right now, we have pretty much employed a "one size fits all" vaccination policy and as specified on the Universal Childhood Immunization Schedule our children as early as only a few days old are required to get certain vaccines. Besides that, there is a concern about the practice of giving a child as many as 6 separate shots or one super shot containing as many as 9 vaccines (some containing mercury) in one visit. It seems that 75% of the settlements cited above concerned the DPT vaccine given to babies at about 2 months old. Turns out they are linking many multiple learning disabilities as a result of a negative reaction to DPT.
In an effort to make this world a better place, and with a billion dollar budget, the drug industry and the medical community are racing forward developing all kinds of vaccines. Case in point is the new HPV vaccine which is supposed to protect against certain strains of human papillomavirus (STD) which lead to cervical cancer. Problem is only a fraction of that budget goes to fund independent studies of side effects and that finally has come to the attention to some in Congress.
Who decides what drugs are forced on children? One parent group based in Ohio supports allowing parents to opt their children out of vaccines and as a result, a dozen or so states have granted a limited medical exemption, a religious exemption, and a philosophical (conscientiously held belief) exemption. Unfortunately, great pressure is put on parents who choose to exempt their children. That happened to me in the case of the small pox vaccine a couple of years ago. The school insisted....and threatened to oust my child...the pressure was on.....and, as for me, I was aware of the medical, religious and philosophical exemptions.
that's the kinda thinking that puts the us back into typhus.
People have concerns, and indeed, nothing is 100% safe and effective.
People also have a duty to the society in which they live. It is unfair and often illegal not to be vaccinated because those not immunized can be a source of disease and death to others who are immune compromised (diabetics, cancer and kidney failure patients, etc.).
It is legitimate to have standards of public health which trump religious, personal beliefs and even personal freedoms. That is because individual rights end where the other's nose begins.
No one is entitled to endanger the health and life of others out of the fear of "not wanting to take the chance". That goes for adults and those for whom the adults are responsible. The Constitution is not a suicide pact.
If one feels strongly this to be wrong, then by all means find a suitably isolated spot and live there as you wish.
Yes, absolutely. And adults are free to assume risks for reasons of their choice, but again, risks are not something that government in a free society should ordinarily force people to accept.
Yes also true. But the question is how far does a parent's duty to the State go?
Actually there are a dozen or so states that support allowing parents to opt out from the one size fits all policy for vaccinations. Maine, where I'm from, has 3 exemptions to the immunization law...for medical, personal and philosophical reasons.
I suppose if one puts State above God and family, which I don't.
We can't trust the government anymore to tell us the truth, to be honest about the research or lack thereof behind its rules and mandates. We are living in a topsy turvy, disordered world...and parental rights are all but gone especially when it comes to vaccinations. In California, HPV vaccines are given to young girls without their parents permission while the state requires parental permission for a flu shot!!!
BY CHRISTINE DHANAGOM
March 5, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) - While Pepsi has been in the spotlight lately for contracting with a company that uses cells originally derived from an aborted fetus in flavor research, it’s not the only company that pro-lifers should think about boycotting for such unethical practices, reports the National Catholic Register.
Rebecca Taylor, a Technologist in Molecular Biology, has compiled a list of companies that use cells and tissues derived from aborted babies to develop their products, which range from childhood vaccines to cosmetics. Her list includes one English company, ReNeuron, which has applied for clinical trials in the United States.
Here are the companies, with their contact information. To find out more about how these companies use cells derived from aborted fetuses, read the piece at the National Catholic Register.
Neuralstem9700 Great Seneca HighwayRockville, MD 20850Phone: 301.366.4960
ReNeuron,10 Nugent Rd Surrey Research Park Guildford, Surrey GU2 7AF UKEmail: info@reneuron.com
Neocutis Inc.3053 Fillmore Street # 140San Francisco CA 94123Phone: 1-866-636-2884Email: info@neocutis.com
Merck One Merck DriveP.O. Box 100Whitehouse Station, NJ 08889-0100 USAPhone: 908-423-1000
GlaxoSmithKlineGlaxoSmithKline plcOne Franklin PlazaPO Box 7929Philadelphia PA 19101Phone: 1-888-825-5249Email
Senomyx, Inc. 4767 Nexus Centre DriveSan Diego, California 92121Phone: (858) 646-8300Email: info@senomyx.com
Taylor notes that Senomyx, which tests flavor enhancers using a cell line derived from the kidney tissue of an aborted baby has reportedly contracted with PepsiCo, Kraft and Nestle.
"anymore" suggests there once was a time when government could be trusted.
I'll drink to that!
Abortifacient Vaccines, Technological update, Hazards, and pro-life appraisal
http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=3910
http://onemoresoul.com/news-commentary/autism-traffic-and-unstudied-vaccine-components.html
Autism, Traffic and Unstudied Vaccine Components ....I found this very interesting.
There is a battle brewing in Canada between the Church and the State over the HP vaccine...
CWN - June 27, 20 Bishop Fred Henry of Calgary, Alberta, has fired back at critics who, he said, “purposely misrepresent” the policies of the diocese in their calls for Catholic schools to inoculate girls with the HPV vaccine.
After a group called HPV Calgary charged that the diocese was leaving girls vulnerable to cancer, Bishop Henry pointed out that Catholic schools are not preventing students from receiving the vaccine. The diocesan policy only states that the vaccinations will not be administered in the schools. HPV Calgary has complained that most parents choose not to vaccinate their daughters when the shots are not administered in schools.
"Why don't they spend their time trying to figure out an alternate way and site to vaccinate children?” Bishop Henry asked. “Instead they would rather demonize those who don't agree with their approach and consistently and purposely misrepresent the Alberta Bishops teaching, and override religious freedom and parental rights.”
Additional sources for this storySome links will take you to other sites, in a new window.
Vaccines make money for drug companies, so they will continue to be made, and continue to be mandated by the government, because the drug companies are paying them to do so. Nobody really knows what the long-term effects of the vaccines are, because that is the nature of short-term testing on long-term drugs. Vaccines that we thought would work for life wear off.
Regardless of that, we now have this new HPV vaccine that they didn't bother to test, and they want to mandate it, because it protects against an STI. It does not protect against other kinds of cervical cancer, just this particular one.
The HPV vaccine is a vaccine that is designed to reduce the risk of the already risk-filled proposition of unprotected sex. There is still plenty of risk left to that. It's a sort of false risk reduction. We'll prevent this one little consequence.
I'm sure there's some legitimate use for it, but seriously, teenage girls is NOT that use.
Because these things are not true...
It is the quality of the vaccination delivery system, and not the vaccination itself that can cause problems.
That is to say you should have to get vaccinated because you are ruining it for everyone if you don't, but everyone should be demanding far more stringent quality control. eg: There is no reason to use thimerosal in your delivery system unless you are trying to maximize profits, because you are giving everyone a tiny, but concentrated dose of mercury by doing so.
Where the primary battle really should be fought is on the efficacy of various vaccinations.... when profiteers are bilking the taxpayers for vaccinations that offer limited coverage to strains you are likely to be infected with, skulls need to be cracked. Whether you take those ones or not is moot, because it has already been paid for and the manufacturer couldn't give a damn at that point.
Calling this an oversimplification would be too kind so I'll just say it betrays remarkable ignorance of the nature of viruses and vaccines.
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Homosexuals should be vaccinated like women to reduce growing cancer..std...rates?
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gay-men-should-be-vaccinated-like-women-to-reduce-growing-cancer-std-rates?utm_source=LifeSiteNews.com+Daily+Newsletter&utm_campaign=d62efad48b-LifeSiteNews_com_US_Headlines_01_17_2013&utm_medium=email
More Internet food for thought...
Are new vaccines laced with birth control drugs?
http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/vcdvaccineslacedwithbirthcontrol.shtml
That's from 1995...?
Yes, I know but the information is eye-opening and pertinent to the discussion.
The population controllers! Lacing tetanus vaccines with birth control! All in the name of health I'm sure. These poor women.
Yes, but you said 'new vaccines' and those would be older. That's all. I know it's pertinent.
Science News
By Andrew BakerFood Freedom News
Freedom of Information Act in the UK filed by a doctor there has revealed 30 years of secret official documents showing that government experts have
1. Known the vaccines don’t work2. Known they cause the diseases they are supposed to prevent3. Known they are a hazard to children4. Colluded to lie to the public5. Worked to prevent safety studies
Those are the same vaccines that are mandated to children in the US.
Educated parents can either get their children out of harm’s way or continue living inside one of the largest most evil lies in history, that vaccines – full of heavy metals, viral diseases, mycoplasma, fecal material, DNA fragments from other species, formaldehyde, polysorbate 80 (a sterilizing agent) – are a miracle of modern medicine.
Freedom of Information Act filed in the US with the CDC by a doctor with an autistic son, seeking information on what the CDC knows about the dangers of vaccines, had by law to be responded to in 20 days. Nearly 7 years later, the doctor went to court and the CDC argued it does not have to turn over documents. A judge ordered the CDC to turn over the documents on September 30th, 2011.
On October 26, 2011, a Denver Post editorial expressed shock that the Obama administration, after promising to be especially transparent, was proposing changes to the Freedom of Information Act that would allow it to go beyond declaring some documents secret and to actually allow government agencies (such as the CDC) to declare some document “non-existent.”
Simultaneous to this on-going massive CDC cover up involving its primary “health” not recommendation but MANDATE for American children, the CDC is in deep trouble over its decades of covering up the damaging effects of fluoride and affecting the lives of all Americans, especially children and the immune compromised. Lawsuits are being prepared. Children are ingesting 3-4 times more fluoride by body weight as adults and “[t]he sheer number of potentially harmed citizens — persons with dental fluorosis, kidney patients tipped into needing dialysis, diabetics, thyroid patients, etc — numbers in the millions.”
The CDC is obviously acting against the health of the American people. But the threat to the lives of the American people posed by the CDC’s behavior does not stop there. It participated in designed pandemic laws that are on the books in every state in the US, which arrange for the government to use military to force unknown, untested vaccines, drugs, chemicals, and “medical” treatments on the entire country if it declares a pandemic emergency.
The CDC’s credibility in declaring such a pandemic emergency is non-existent, again based on Freedom of Information Act. For in 2009, after the CDC had declared the H1N1 “pandemic,” the CDC refused to respond to Freedom of Information Act filed by CBS News and the CDC also attempted to block their investigation. What the CDC was hiding was its part in one of the largest medical scandals in history, putting out wildly exaggerated data on what it claimed were H1N1 cases, and by doing so, created the false impression of a “pandemic” in the US.
The CDC was also covering up e financial scandal to rival the bailout since the vaccines for the false pandemic cost the US billions. And worse, the CDC put pregnant women first in line for an untested vaccine with a sterilizing agent, polysorbate 80, in it. Thanks to the CDC, “the number of vaccine-related “fetal demise” reports increased by 2,440 percent in 2009 compared to previous years, which is even more shocking than the miscarriage statistic [700% increase].
The exposure of the vaccine hoax is running neck and neck with the much older hoax of a deadly 1918-19 flu. It was aspirin that killed people in 1918-19, not a pandemic flu. It was the greatest industrial catastrophe in human history with 20-50 million people dying but it was blamed on a flu. The beginning of the drug industry began with that success (and Monsanto was part of it). The flu myth was used by George Bush to threaten the world with “another pandemic flu that could kill millions” – a terror tactic to get pandemic laws on the books in every state and worldwide. Then the CDC used hoax of the pandemic hoax to create terror over H1N1 and to push deadly vaccines on the public, killing thousands of unborn children and others. (CDC will not release the data and continues to push the same vaccine.)
The hoax of the vaccine schedule is over, exposed by FOIAs in the UK.
The hoax of the CDC’s interest in children’s lives has been exposed by its refusal to respond to a doctor’s FOIAs around its knowledge of vaccine dangers.
The 1918-19 pandemic hoax has been exposed by Dr. Karen Starko’s work on aspirin’s role in killing people.
And despite refusing to respond to FOIAS, the CDC’s scandalous hoax of a 2009 flu pandemic and its part in creating it, was exposed by CBS NEWS.
And the Obama administration, in attempting to salvage the last vestige of secrecy around what is really happening with vaccines, by declaring agency documents non-existent, has made its claim of transparency, non-existent.
But pandemic laws arranging for unknown vaccines to be forced on the entire country are still in place with HHS creating a vaccine mixture that should never be used on anyone and all liability for vaccines having been removed. Meanwhile, a Canadian study has just proven that the flu vaccine containing the H1N1 vaccine which kills babies in utero, actually increases the risk of serious pandemic flu.
Americans who have been duped into submitting their children to the CDC’s deadly vaccines, have a means to respond now. People from every walk of life and every organization, must
1. take the information from the UK FOIAs exposing 30 years of vaccine lies, the refusal of the CDC to provide any information on what it knows about those lies, and the Obama Administration’s efforts to hide the CDC’s awareness of those lies, and go to their state legislatures, demand the immediate nullification of the CDC vaccine schedule and the pandemic laws.
2. inform every vet. active duty military person, law enforcement people, DHS agents and medical personnel they know, of the vaccine hoax, for their families are deeply threatened, too, but they may not be aware of it or that they have been folded into agency structures by the pharmaceutical industry (indistinguishable from the bankers and oil companies) that would make them agents of death for their country with the declaration of a “pandemic” emergency or “bio-terrorist” attack. It is completely clear now that the terrorism/bioterrorism structures are scams so that any actions taken to “protect” this country using those laws would in fact be what threatens the existence of Americans.
It was aspirin that killed millions in 1918-19. Now it is mandated and unknown, untested vaccines with banned adjuvants in them that threaten the country with millions of deaths. At the same time, the CDC is holding 500,000 mega-coffins, built to be incinerated, on its property outside Atlanta. Not to put to fine a point on this, but it’s clear now that the CDC should not be involved in any way with public health.
Thanks to the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), we know that vaccines are not a miracle of modern medicine. Any medical or government authority which insists vaccines prevent diseases is either ignorant of government documents (and endless studies) revealing the exact opposite or of the CDC’s attempts to hide the truth about vaccines from the public, or means harm to the public.
Thanks to the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), we know the vaccine schedule is a hoax.
The health danger to American children and adults are vaccines.
Then there's this.
A blurb from it:
Daiwa,
I cannot open your link.
I agree with Mr. Burger on everything except vaccines.
Study calls into question primary justification for Vaccines...
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/study-disproves-cdcs-primary-justification-vaccination
Vaccination Agenda: An Implicit Transhumanism/Dehumanism
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/vaccination-agenda-implicit-transhumanismdehumanism
How technology has made Global Polio Eradication Impossible
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/how-technology-has-made-global-polio-eradication-impossible
Sorry, didn't know but FT asks that you register (free) to view it. Was viewable as a direct link from another site without registering for some reason.
Well, no surprise there. I doubt anything would alter your conviction.
When Governments, agencies, institutions, Sciences, etc. treat all people as individuals having intrinsic eternal dignity, then I'll trust.
So ya, for the smoke, mirrors and the 'disappearance' of Polio, I don't trust anymore and as I see it for good reason.
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/smoke-mirrors-and-disappearance-polio
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