yes it will stay a frigate, the keldon is really the cruiser but we made it an elite so the cards would have at least one.

please remember we had to make them equal in scale to the other races to make the game more enjoyable

This has not changed since 3a

Dont go by what the info card says as "average" damage. It is not what the actual damage the weapons do are. The way Sins configured the weapons is kind of screwy. I went over this a few pages back. The beam weapons arent as powerful as the info cards say, because they do damage over time, and the info card just displays the total damage. While the torpedos display less damage. That is because the torpedos apply all of their damage at once on impact. Which is why a torpedo with say an average of 60 damage will instapop a vanilla sins ship, but it takes several beams with 150+ average shots to destroy a ship.

Another thing about the torpedos is we had to use only one hardpoint on many ships, but burst fire volleys out of that one point. That has a funky effect as well, because it applys all of the damage of say a 3 burst before the last torpedo impacts. In other words the damage is applied before the weapon effect even hits its target. We are not sure how to fix that. Putting more hardpoints on screws up the numbers badly (the old akira torpedo spam is a perfect example of multi torpedo hardpoints).

We are still trying to figure out how the dev's came up with the vanilla sins numbers, and what they were thinking with the beam, projectile, and missile mechanics. Especially the burst fire mechanics. Once we understand that we can better translate our stats into sins.

We had to come up with a middleground of what we saw on screen vs. what sins is capable of doing. Some ships veer way off of what was seen on screen so as not to be too overpowered. You also have to understand that ships stats in the show changed on a writers whim. Which is how an intrepid can face a fleet of borg cubes, and instapop them one week, but yet damn near lose a fight to an old ktinga the next week. NO we are not making a d-7 uber

I posted on the main topic that we are not porting anything over to entrenchment while it is still in beta. Read the main topic. it has all the info you need to know about the current mod status. If anything new happens we post it there.

I dont yell. I am too lazy to raise my voice. Im not a hard ass ether, I am just very specific on what i want in this mod. Just like any producer, or director knows exactly what they want.

I made progress on the stations. The orbital office complex is almost finished. I am building most of the stations myself. There will be very little 3rd party work there, because brutal honesty. Most of what i see i dont like. So the old saying if you want it done right, do it yourself applys here.

Hey, Darkshimmer, just tested this and, it gets weirder. My Devastator was showing 2350 hull 1450 shields.

Also just to see if these are in the ranges they're supposed to be in, it's weapons were between 30 and 60 all of them. Can't remember which specifically right now, sorry. If those look good then great, but if they don't I'll get down exactly what they show.

To be honest though I thought all the dominion ships looked weaker than what I thought they would be. First time playing as them, looking through their stats my first thought was "I hope the AI is exceptionally dumb or I better start swarming". If you need the stats it's showing for others I'll get those to you asap.

I concur, i obtained the file from FileFront and the Devastator does not have 8700 shield.

All Dominion elite ships use 50 fleet supply slots, which may give you any easy idea of the versioning but problems seems to affect frigates and cruisers.

I also noticed that Dominion polaron beams seems to have a short range, this can be a problem as the other factions get an initilal salvo without taking damage, to devatating effect.

I would like to know if you guys are going to allow the cardasians to fire photon torpedeos? In the TV shows they could, I realize that there was a discussion of it before, are you going to add that to them later?

I really love this mod and was just curious.

really?

BTW, what is people's favorite faction and what ship?

For me would have to be the feds, and the Defiant Class and the Galaxy class ship...Named my Galaxy capital ship Enterprise... HEHE

I agree, the ships is kinda small but still the floors are small as well

Also, why is the federation varsari? i would have though it would be Tech

Federation, Dominion are both Advent... dunno why you guys keep keeping they are vasari. Roms are vasari, klingons are tech, but thats not going to mean much in .04

I'm sure this was covered, but I  missed it.  Surveillancemike was mentioning bigger looking ships, which got me to thinking---when a frigate dies, it explodes, when a capital ship dies it explodes bigger.  When the borg cube dies.....its a very relatively small anti climatic explosion compaired to the size of the cube.  Are the explosions sized according to the type of ship exploding, or just a "generic" explosion attatched to a ship?  Is it possible to manipulate the size of the explosion according to "some factor"? (size or type of ship) or is this already done and I'm just a noob?

Stress didn't get that update either

is there a way to make things a little cheaper too, i mean, i maybe asking too much, but the frigates, just get owned, and then i am sure you guys are workign on it, but put what each frigate is good for, ie the OLD enterprise, constitution class, takes over the role of populating the planets, but it took me forever to figure out that you guys didnt mess w/ the placement of the old original ships.  Also, why isnt there more, specail abilities for the Capital ships?  This is purely a question

I think Surveillancemike was referring to the game, where the Constitution class colonises worlds. The Miranda-class is the scout.

It makes sense for the capital-class vessels not to have special abilities - I reckon they're a bit of a gimmick to be perfectly honest.

In the mod, the only special ability I've noticed is that for the Galaxy-class ship, and I assume it's there in order to mimick the events of "The Best of Both Worlds" where Captain Baldy is kidnapped by the Borg and the Enterprise crew modify the deflector array to emit a powerful energy beam.

LOL Baldy = Picard...did the Enterprise also have phasers?

I really miss the red photon torpedo... and also when the ship is warping (jumping)...the ships glow, where as in the show, the ship doesn't even glow