I agree completly, I would not think fleet sizes should be too much smaller.  But I understand some ships (Galaxy etc) should be more limited.

I must agree that by reducing the ability to spam you must take into account the value of your fleet when deciding if you should engage. I don't like the idea of just "sky rocketing" build times, because then you have a ton of resources because you can't spend them fast enough. What I like to do instead is increase the value of larger ships and stations, making them require far more time and resources. For example if the capital ship factory required 4 times the resources and build time, then the few that you will build will have a much higher value to you, because they are your only means to build capitalships and you will only be able to build a few. The same goes for the Battleships/Elites, they should be the biggest strongest things in your fleet and their cost and build time should reflect this by making them very hard to build up their numbers. The cruisers could also use some boost to build time and cost, so they also are more difficult to produce in vast numbers. The frigates should be by far the most cost effective for building up fleet strength, they really shouldn't be changed that much, so you can build up a fleet of these ships faster than the rest, but maybe a slight increase to build times to help reduce the ability to spam these vessels. The main idea is that only wealthier plays could afford to build fleets that contained more than a few cruisers and more than one battleship, but plenty of frigates.

I love the idea that the battleships/elite can dominate in a fight, so even if sometime it goes away from canon, it would be nice if every battleships/elite present a real threat to several frigates or a few cruisers.

Quick note: the defiant is smaller than all of the existing federation frigates. I always envisioned it in the frigates section, because it is physically the smallest federation vessels not classified as shuttle. I could see it as a frigate that acted as an anti-frigate; The B'Rel, dominion bugship, and the defiant could all be frigates that are have a large damage bonus versus other frigates.

Please don't ever try and limit the number of each ship type you can build, maybe do it for the AI so they build different ships, but not for the player. I hate the idea that once my shipyard creates four galaxies they just forget how to build more.

ok ok so i have some ideas for some structures. IF you have thought of some of these already then i am sorry.k?

Weapons lab (i picked Juipiter Station because it was and still is a Canon weapons lab)

I am guessing that Stress is gonna use the typical shipyards (i.e. Utopia Orbital Shipyards) so that's already taken care of.

My idea for a Civic Reaserch Station

ok ok so mabey the MIDAS array will be in the mod using sort of an advanced "Clairvoyance" ability. Purely speculation at this point.

i do not know what role the Particle Fountain will play but at least it looks cool.

Let me know what you think. ok?

is there a way to code to have a station chosen randomly from a predefined set? That way you could have multiple stations for one use and it would make every planet look a little different. So I suppose first you'll have to choose which stations belonged 2 which set.....

Why did the Cardassians get mixed in with the Dominions?

The Cardassians deserve their own team!

They turn on the Dominion in DS9. With the Cardassians on their own team, the Cardassian-Federation war could be refought. It sucks having to put the Dominion in the mix. If the problem is not enough types of ships, why not just create some similar looking Cardassian Ships that just have different abilities, or stats.

Is there any way to get the Cardassians back on there own team? I was looking forward to it.

I must admit that I am shocked that the Cardassians went to the chopping block. It might be just a 3rd party addon, but if no one else I will see about creating a Cardassian side. Between Armada 2 to all of the concept stuff done for all of the games, there should be enough stuff to do it.

So nyx the Scimitar, what does that leave the Romulans?  Also I would point out that though not being Romulan, the Remans are part of the Empire and the Dominion is composed of 3 different political entities. If the decision against it's inclusion, even without that ridiculous cloak, has been decided upon so be it.

Any case, with only 2 types of warbirds and a scout that is more or less armed with a spitball launcher, the Romulans are somewhat top heavy.  Then again maybe I am unaware of smaller ships at their disposal.  Any case this is a wonderfully fun mod so far and I am eager to see what improvements have been made.

Ok the Cardies did NOT get the axe. So get that idea out of your heads. The Jem hadar, Breen, and Cardiasians were all ONE single faction during the dominion wars. In fact the cardassians made up the bulk of the dominion forces in the alpha quadrant. They were the canon fodder.

Shimmer, and myself both agreed that it will be next to impossible to create a full cardassian faction with what little "good" material we have available. IMO 99% of the 3rd party cardassian work is utter crap, and i dont want crap in my mod. I want the best from myself, or the best 3rd party work available. Not some idiotic design that looks like it belongs on some 1st graders moms refridgerator, or a stretched out, and twisted Galor kitbash that we are "supposed" to believe is a different class of ship. NO! It aint gonna happen. Some 3rd party kitbashers have absolutely no imagination, or creativity at all. The armada models fall into the crap catagory as well. YES, i am extremely picky. Thats why i stopped posting on dynaverse. Most of what the experienced modders are putting out there is crap. Sorry to be so harsh about it, but that is just my opinion, and this is MY mod. I want it to have the best.

The Cardie merger is only temporary until we can make our own cardassian designs. Dont start posting pictures of 3rd party cardie ships to "consider", because i can guarentee those designs you post are exactly what i am talking about that are utter crap.

Between what we have as far as Jem hadar, Cardassian and Breen ships we do have a full 15 ship lineup.

We can go on quoting canon forever. I dismiss Nemesis like i dismiss Galactica 1980. The movie was THAT bad. You in the younger generation may not agree, but us old school trekkies are all in agreement. It never happened as far as i am concerned. We will not use any reman designs. The Valdore warbird, and the Soveriegn shipyard are the ONLY Nemesis units worthy of using.

The romulans (or rihansu if you read the books) have almost a 15 ship lineup now without any reman nonsense. I am still working on some very good non-canon designs

Do not discuss stations until after the 0.03 release please. We are not adding stations until after we start work on 0.04. I already have a complete station lineup planned for the feds. It does include jupiter station, the office complex, regula 1, the subspace relay station, and 2 shipyards.

until the code is released we won't know.

yes stress and i talked about this one, we elected not to have it in the romulan fleet.

Although Stress commented on this let me expand on it a bit more. The problem is not giving the cardassians there own fleet. The problem was we don't have the time to convert every ship we need and go from there. Also there were not enough dominion and breen ships for there own fleets as well. The first decision to merge was actually the breen and dominion, We later figured that if we add the Cardassians in there it would temporary fix the ship count issues and we could go back to expand on it again in a later release.

I agree with nemesis being utter crap. I had such high hopes for a movie focussed on the romulans (my favorite Star Trek race) but it was a great dissapointment. I'm happy for no reman ships in the mod.

About the cardassian merge: if it bothers you enough, just copy the cardassian files from his initial beta release into the new release and you will have your stand-alone cardassian race. Thats what I will do anyway, but I tend to customize mods intensively to my liking anyway.

Man you guys are tough on nemesis. I thought it was pretty good. The only part that didnt make sense was when a reman became preator. They didnt really kill data as he dl'ed his entire memory into b-4. The remans made sense to be a part of the rom empire cause they conquer all the time. I admit I would have rather seen something more involved with romulans. To me the most dissapointing thing about the movie is it kinda brought everything to an end. Everybody kina split up. I grew up on tng and the original is prob my second fave series. Altho alot of you seem to like ds9 I couldnt stand it with all that prophet nonsense and the fact they sat at a base. I dont hear much about the enterprise series but i really liked that one as well. To bad it got cut short. All in all it was a bit depressing lol but not horrible like you guys make it out.imo

ooooo!   A full 15 ship lineup for the Romulans?  yowza.  Now I'm really anticipating it. 

And tis true, that I am only 24 and thus a youngin' by trekkie standards and was raised on the movies and the later TV series- not TOS, which is my loss.  Still, I did look up some of the background stuff on Nemesis and having realized what could have been vs. what was... I too find some disappointment.  Having been referenced to a few books "related" to the movie, I remembered why I don't read ST novels:  about 1/3 of them are lousy Kirk fanboy tributes.

Still, 15 ships for the Romulans is very very cool and I respect the integrity that you're holding your mod to.

you definately have to blame one of the writers, it was brent spinner himself that wrote that in!

this is already planned for a later release

YEA, what he said!

there were some nice ships from BC, Armada, SFC games that were hard to turn down, there were alot more but there is a cap on frigates and cruisers so we retained 15 even with the new increase, we'll fill those slots in on a later date.

klingons also have ships from KA and the above mentioned. ! ship in particular will be modified later to make it more deadly.

right now Stress is concentrating on the ships, i'm working out the balancing, sfx, fx and info as needed. WE're a bit behind since stress has some R/L issues to work out, but most likely it won't be this year, however, i would like to get with stress and talk about a few things before i can give you any more issues. I do expect another section 31 report tomorrow, in case you guys were wondering who was sending those communications

i wouldn't do that, you'll instantly make the cards the weakest faction!