You can submit any game that's started as a metaverse game as long as you don't install updates between starting and finishing the game. DL, DA and TA can all be metaverse games.
I played across 2 days I think, but I had time to sit on it for hours mate. I didn't colonize too extreme first off, I just took about the sectors around my home, maybe about 20~25 planets and then focused on getting my Econ going. I didn't build the MCC till I'd colonized those planets and really needed an Econ boost, plus I held off on the SCC for a bit too. I was lucky to have an Econ resource near my home planet so I took full advantage of that. once I was heading in the right direction, I went back to building colonizers and took maybe another 50 or so, built a farm on each and econed the rest of the planet.
Like u said mate, the minors made the difference tho, especially in gaining tech.
Just as soon as I was going green in bc, I started going after the major races. I perhaps left more than 60~70% of the planets untouched, just took down the majors, used their Manu production in the spaceports to build another troop ship and just kept leapfrogging. Had to build a few military ships, but the seemed to be building nothing but freighters, to the point of killing their Econ.
By this afternoon i should have new rig up and running and will get another game going. I'm thinking a medium game with some mumbled tactics. By that I mean maxing out tech, all resources, population and building out Econ on every planet.
Speaking of population, can u recall the pop sweet spot for planets. Was it 13B or were we taking each planet out to 20B?
I thought it was 21b each, but that might have just been the homeworlds. If I remember correctly, 1 maxed out farm each and up to a farm on a 100% booster tile each was the target. We stayed away from the multiple bonus tiles as I recall. It's been a while though.
Numbers of 21b for homeworlds and 16b for others keep rattling around in my noggin for some reason. Do those numbers mean anything to you?
Yeah, I'm looking forward to the MCC. I don't remember the tech needed to get there, but I'll find it after I fire the game up again. I'll try to get in an hour tonight if I can.
2 days is pretty impressive. You have a quick memory to be able to run through it so quickly. I'm so rusty at it that I'm almost starting over.
But it's been so long I might be totally wrong. I think the max farm is 7B and the pop capacity of a non homeworld starts at 6B so 13B is one farm, 20B is 2 farms and 16B plus 1 farm is to high. Of course you could always build an obsolete farm to get different choices but these seem pretty reasonable dependent of course on your overall morale and your tolerance or lack thereof of allowing your approval to sag.
I haven't been to this site in ages but it's good to see some of the old guys back around. I got an email from DA a couple of months ago but then nothing.
It was sad to see the ToE site go away but it had obviously run its course. Nothing lasts forever not the least of which is the life that this old forum used to have.
Oh well no use pining for a past that's gone forever.
I thought about renewing toe.com again but in the weeks leading up to the renewal deadline, we had zero activity. No point throwing away good money. I still have a toe PayPal with plenty of funds in it, should we ever want to set up again, a'la GC3, we can easily do so.
In the game I just played I was building one farm level 3 and one VR centre for 13b pop, but it wasn't massively profitable, and too easy toomold high morale. Maybe 20b was the number. I'd hate to have to ask the kzin to be sure!
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20B for class 10 and above, 18B for clas 8/9, 13B for less IIRC. HWs should be 19B because 21B is too much.
5 morale resources, all morale techs, 10 starting morale, all morale trade goods. No VRCs. Any racial morale/resources/etc above that is excess as you can only achieve 100% after depreciation by population (the numbers listed give us 98 for 20B, which is close enough).
That's for DA.
Numbers are a little different for TA particularly if you play without a Terran tree AI in your game to get the trade goods from, but since you also get more from the galactic resources it evens out in the end; it's just tougher initially. And the calculations are unchanged from DA, at least.
As for DL I don't recall quite how things were working there last, just that the floor is 20% instead of 10%.
Neilo, as far as I'm concerned, what's left of the community is all on the same side.
Empire secrets aside, of course.
Ya, couldn't agree more SS, hence my time spent in the Kzin thread of late. A little pulling of the old strings ofcompute competitiveness from time to time can't hurt though!
The types of games I'm looking to play now, are short games, no more than a few days, and with all kinds of victory conditions, I enjoyebony fun game, no worry about doing things by the book to max out score, I don't even care if every game I play is less than a 4min long 100K ZYW.
@mottii and mumble, if we are playing again for a while, do we want to keep the games in toe, orperhaps create a new empire, just for shits and giggles really though.
Oh and I saw u mention Da somewhere mumble. He went without net for many months and came back online in November, but he is engrossed in Starcraft II and I haven't spoke to him since late Nov. hopefully we can get him back and talk him into some GC2 and maybe even some DG (3v3 with dj, u motti and myself on voice would be great!)
A bit offtopic, but while I've never actually played DemiGod, I do own it (still in the box!)
If it's half as much fun as everyone seems to think it is, I could go for some games with you guys.
Ohh cool, didn't know that SS. Yeah it's great fun, I was part of the beta and played competitively for a long time, but the community died away, after never realizing its full potential, but I've come back to it now that it's on steam. Im up for games mate, it does have a steep learning curve if you want to be serious about it, but a few games is enough to let you play and enjoy it. You on Skype at all mate? Much better playing, even against AI when the whole team is on voice.
I've always stuck with 79% tax rate as 80% always seemed to cost more approval than I felt but then I usually felt uncomfortable going into the endgame with less than an 80% approval rating but that was because I typically did a massive endgame upgrade the value of which required about 3 years to extract all the time I would be suffering the gradual but substantial loss of approval such that I was down to the 20% level with 79% taxes but the time I ended the game.
With a different strategy I suppose you could go into the endgame with 20% or 21% (I forget which one actually loses you money). It sounds like this is what you're implying if you have 20B planets with no VRC's even with all the techs, trade goods, wonders and morale resources in the galaxy.
Also why PQ10's instead of PQ11's. If I'm not mistaken PQ11's and above get the 10% straight approval bonus that makes them easier to control at a higher pop. Is this correct? Then if so how do you get by with PQ10's with a 10% approval deficit at the same level of PQ11's?
I also understand about state secrets and I've had plenty of my own in my own time but after some point about 4 years ago I made a point of telling pretty much everyone essentially everything I knew simply because I felt that we were all in the same boat and it was the right thing to do. I regret that people still feel the need for such secrets but I acknowledge their right to do so.
It was your bankruptcy that required you to have higher morale, yes.
20% doesn't lose pop, 19% does.
The stated morale is sufficient for 20% approval at 20B pop with no morale structures, running at 79% taxrate.
I suspect you're correct on the point about PQ10s, in which case only 18B pop for them. I'd honestly forgotten that.
That applies for just about everything in this game for me!!! LOLWhen i started the game, i took about 20mins just relearning the UI!
Hi Mumble and SS!
Quoting Sole Soul, reply 3187I'd honestly forgotten that.That applies for just about everything in this game for me!!! LOLWhen i started the game, i took about 20mins just relearning the UI!
Ditto for me.
My timing is off too. My SCC purchase came too soon. My economy went way negative and was losing over 1k per turn. I saw no option other than to go to war and take everyone's homeworlds. I also took out the 3 minors that I met. I'm still down to the tune of about -5k, but climbing out at about 1.5k per turn. Having hit a low of -14k, I've spent the 2nd half of year 0 at a standstill and am still not out of the hole at Jan 15 year 1. Meeting two new minor races along the way has helped.
If I was playing for score, I'd dump this game and start over, but that's not the case. I'll take my lumps and press on.
Quoting Sole Soul, reply 3181Neilo, as far as I'm concerned, what's left of the community is all on the same side.Empire secrets aside, of course. I agree with the idea that's what little is left should at least all be on the same side.I also understand about state secrets and I've had plenty of my own in my own time but after some point about 4 years ago I made a point of telling pretty much everyone essentially everything I knew simply because I felt that we were all in the same boat and it was the right thing to do. I regret that people still feel the need for such secrets but I acknowledge their right to do so.
Yeah, the competition ended a while back. I see no reason for secrets any more. Any new players should be given a level playing field with us if possible IMO. Our only real hope to revive the game is to enjoy it and forget about trying to outscore another empire.
Of course, trying for a high personal score is good if you have that kind of patience. For me, score has to become secondary to having fun with the game.
The desire for score can be a sickness but it's a sickness for those of us with a serious perfectionist streak that is very difficult if not impossible to overcome.
As I mentioned above I can't even guarantee if I'll ever finish another game. It's like you start out with these great ideas and then you get so far into a game and realize wait a minute I could have done this or that or whatever and it can get to be a never ending trial of starting over. I probably went through 6 months of that over a year ago. In the meantime work and other activities have gotten in the way.
It's really going to be retirement that finally gives me all the time I want to just play but it's so hard to quit even if you can afford to retire when they keep throwing tons of money at you to stay. I guess that's a problem many people would kill for but my health has not been all that good and without health you really don't have much no matter how much money you have.
Well, they say that money can't buy happiness. But I wouldn't mind trying to rent it for a while.
I wonder if I'll have enough time to play games when I retire. There seems to be so much hunting and fishing to do.
Maybe by then, they'll have a direct brain interface so we can play while we fish. Or maybe the brain implant will just make us think we're playing and fishing. Yeah, that would be good enough as well.
Digressing.My new PC is up and running! with all my cpu cooler size issues, i ended up going with water, no size issue there. And with water comes..EXTREME OC!!! hehe (saying that in my head was like the voice over guy in Attack of the Show)So, im running at 4.0GHz with 16GB ram at 2133 and this thing is as stable as it was at default settings. 12 hours of prime95 testing and it didnt miss a beat. the GPU is factory OC'd so i left it be.Thought now, i'm paranoid about the waterblock or some other part springing a leak! i keep looking in and checking....somewhat irrational, since millions use water cooling without issue, but its my first forae into it and its gonna take some trusting i guess.
I've plenty of reinstalling to do, i'll make skype next on the list then DG and GC2.
As for money buying happiness, well i guess you need the money first to know if your then happy. I'm pretty happy without any (or any significant amount) but i've been comfortable and accepting of my station in life for many years.
A good kid and a good wife (and the odd bottle of vodka ) sure do make the difference.
Or like a baby, maybe i'm just easily pleased!!
Quoting MottiKhan, reply 3189Yeah, the competition ended a while back. I see no reason for secrets any more. Any new players should be given a level playing field with us if possible IMO. Our only real hope to revive the game is to enjoy it and forget about trying to outscore another empire.
Really, That sounds cool!
I was trying to figure out why in some of games the scores were really different, like one would be 147350 then 90650 then 94500 then 100450 but they would be played the same way 1 lab and 6 opponents in my Super Diplomat ZYW.
@Neilo, What kind of video card are you using? I am looking at getting a different CPU.
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@Neilo - Awesome! I like the idea of water cooling, but haven't ventured that way yet. The heat pipes are still working well enough for me but I don't oc except for the factory oc that came with my old GTS250.
@SaintMina - I'm only guessing, but I'd say it would be a combination of timing and the natural randomization that goes with the game. Even small differences in timing or resources, especially early in the game can make disproportionate differences in score. ZYWs magnify that effect since you're ending it before the turn of the year. For instance, you might rush buy a fighter or tile 1 week early if you came across a good anomaly early on. Since everything is randomized at the start, no 2 games are identical. Also, ending the game 1 week late in a classic ZYW will drop the score a lot. Ending it 1 week early or 1 week late in a late year (giga) ZYW will also drop the score.
As far as my first game attempt since reinstall, that SCC will turn out to be the one decision that killed any chance at a decent score. Once my economy recovered from that, my tech was back to overheated and my economy was soaring. I'm converting scouts that I traded for into constructors and colonizers wherever they lie. I've found several resources and some juicy planets just sitting there. I think I weakened the AI too much in the negotiations so some of them aren't expanding so well.
I now have the MCC and am about ready to build a military. Once I get a few more techs, it's on.
@mina, i got a GTX 560ti from gigabyte, it's factory overclocked but also has plenty of room to push the shader clock more if i want to. I would have liked to have spent a little more on the graphics card, but $300 seemed enough, considering that there was a lack of 570's and 580's about.
@motti, yeah ive thought of water before, but always got great results with a fan cooler. i cna't say im not impressed by this setup though, its summer here and i have not seen the cpu go above 27 degress C.
ill have gc2 back on here this weekend, going to do DG first.
Oh and btw, i never did mention this before, but i never thought the full year ZYW was a true zyw, hence i never have done one.
the ZYW was always about finishing the game at the earliest time you can, April 8.
As far as PC's go my "new" PC is now over 6 years old. Still running the old Intel Core II Duo with 32 bit XP Pro.
I did have to replace the video card last year with a Radeon HD 5770. I will have to break down and get a new PC someday just don't know when. This PC is still all I really need. If I play my cards right I may be able to skip both Vista and Win 7, who knows?
Ugh...after looking at Win8, i know i'll be using 7 for many...many years to come. Win8 is taking desktop pc's down the tablet ui road.
Every screenshot iv'e seen so far makes it look like exactly like a windows tablet, no taskbar, no start menu...just large apps on a screen.
Maybe you can reactivate those features, i dont know, but i won't be rushing to find out.
Technically anything after about the 8th (I forget exactly) turn decreases your score, given certain assumptions, such as already being at the maximum potential, but since you're still growing that's not true, and in any case it'll get flagged that early. Not to mention you can't do it before what, the 9th as SD?
I got my copy of 7 when MS did their student deal, so I got 7x64 Pro for $30, and I'll be perfectly content to use it for a number of years.
I was thinking about building a new desktop, but I'm not really liking what I'm seeing as far as performance for the price goes, so I'm just gonna fix my old one (C2Q6600 stock 2.4 OCed 3.6 without a voltage increase, x1950GT) and use it for another year or more.
Ive got a mild OC going, 4.2 with ram left at 1600 (im on water and whilst using prime temp maxed at 55c ). i did OC the ram to 2133, just to run it though prime, and it was sweet. GPU is factory OC, so ill leave it be for now.
My Q6600 was running fine (been OC'd to 3.2 for months), but i only had 4gb ddr2 800 and with my 8800gts it was starting to feel a little slugish. So that rig will become the missus new pc and the one i built for her, core2duo E8500 with a 7600 gpu will be upgraded to 4gb and ill set that up for my boy.
I must say tho, the Q6600 is the best cpu ive ever used so far, 4 years old and still going strong.
I upgraded my vista ultimate to win7 ultimate and i will not be buying win8. And if subsequent versions of windows follow the path being laid out for 8, then me and win7 are going to get to know each other very well!
Nothing wrong with that-7 is quite nice.
Yup; that's why I figured I could hold onto it for a while. I've only got 2GB in mine, so going to upgrade it to 4GB as well while I'm at it.
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